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Thank you for your opinion,how long must we stay in hell and do we have a party when we get out.
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jmcrae
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For the same reason that the Devil went to Hell - because they want things their own way, rather than God’s way - and they are continually building up the habit of self-satisfaction, rather than the habit of self-sacrifice.
Every time we sleep in instead of going to Mass on a Sunday morning, we turn our faces towards the darkness of Hell. Every time we fail to tithe and decide keep the money for ourselves, it’s one more step towards Hell; every time a lonely person phones and we say to the person, “Sorry, I don’t have time for you tonight,” and hang up on them because we want to watch our TV show; every time we put off going to Confession because “Well, I wasn’t so bad” - C. S. Lewis once wrote, the surest road to Hell is easy, gradual, and unmarked - there is no sudden epiphany of “I hate God” - it’s more a matter of “I haven’t got time for God, today - maybe tomorrow” - and then tomorrow never actually comes - and then in the end, “God, who? I think I used to know someone by that name - it was a long time ago. Nevermind that, though. What’s for supper?”
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brkn1
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I could not choose any of those answers as being correct.Here are some opinions:
a) No such place actually exists
b) It’s just a figurative idea without any reality attached to it
c) It’s total separation from God forever
d) Hell is present in the here and now
e) Only the very wicked people will go to hell
g) It doesn’t matter because there’s no such thing as an afterlife
g) It doesn’t matter because all people will end up in heaven anyway
Feel free to transcribe some sentences detailing the influences that led you to your present opinion.
Grace and peace,
Mick
Even (c) would be wrong, when you consider that eternal damnation will be the the present and personal wrath of a Holy God forever felt by the condemned. That wrath will have no pity, nor will it respond to any pleas for mercy. God is the One who upholds all things, so there will be no neglect on God’s part to eternally and Personally prove His wrath against all the condemned devils and lost humans.
Universalism loses validity with Jesus’ saying that it would have been better for Judas not to have been born. If there was a guaranteed eventual heaven, then it would always be better to be born, even at the price of extreme suffering for a tremendous amount of time. It would not seem so at the time of suffering, but a final heaven would make up for it.
Hell exists as the temporary “holding tank of suffering” for those who die condemned.
Hell will be thrown into the Lake of Fire with all those who are not found in the book of life.
Those who are saved from eternal damnation will forever praise and thank God for saving them. They will see where they could have ended up without God saving them and that contrast will make the eternal joys of heaven that much greater. We will forever be able to see where we would have been without our Redeemer.
Jesus spoke of hell enough, so that it can not be dismissed as imaginary or figurative.
Hell is a real place and so is the eventual Lake of Fire. Escaping the eternal torments of damnation is a good reason to seek God, even if it should not be the only reason. Finding God’s gift of Salvation ( saving faith in the Truth of the Lord Jesus Christ’ Gospel) then gives us a good reason to love the One Who first loved us,( when we were unlovable sinners.)
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jargon631
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hi mick…isnt it possible that some would bear such malice towards the light that they would happily choose the dark?(not me, mind you, im just speculating)…of course it assumes the rationality of holding god/religion in such spite that you would see hell/eternal damnation as a viable option…personally…im still undecided as to the existance of salvation…frederick…:juggle:It seems to me that anybody who chooses eternal torment over eternal bliss must be at least a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Indeed, it’s more likely that such a person would be completely insane. However, assuming it is a reasoned choice, why do you think people would choose to go to hell?
Curiously,
Mick
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SSTeacher
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Hi Frederick,
Yes, I guess it’s possible but it seems to me that for people to have reached the hypothetical point about which you’re speculating, they would have gotten so completely wrapped up in themselves that there would be no room whatsoever for any light to penetrate into their lives. They’d be completely focused on themselves – almost, I suppose, to the point of choosing bad for bad’s sake, were such a thing possible for a human being. It makes me shudder just to think about it.
Tremblingly,
Mick
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jargon631
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well…i dont know, mick…you would have to ask what turned them away from the light…are they wrapped up in themselves or have they been enfolded against their will and pushed from the light?..i KNOW there are people who are evil just to be evil…serial killers, violent rapists, etc…if u say that god (absolute good),and satan (absolute evil), are in competition for the souls of humankind, then doesnt it make sense that people are converted to one side or the other?..frederickHi Frederick,
Yes, I guess it’s possible but it seems to me that for people to have reached the hypothetical point about which you’re speculating, they would have gotten so completely wrapped up in themselves that there would be no room whatsoever for any light to penetrate into their lives. They’d be completely focused on themselves – almost, I suppose, to the point of choosing bad for bad’s sake, were such a thing possible for a human being. It makes me shudder just to think about it.
Tremblingly,
Mick
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Frederick,
Hmmm. Engaging thought process, which leads me to ask about your view of human nature. Do you think we’re basically, good, basically bad, or neutral i.e. just pawns in the game?
Curiously,
Mick
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jargon631
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i think we are a blank page, initially…mind you, i dont quite mean nuetral and free will plays too big a part for us to just be pawns…but i dont think that anyone is born either good or evil…lol…i think i just managed to talk in a circle and say nothing…frederick…Frederick,
Hmmm. Engaging thought process, which leads me to ask about your view of human nature. Do you think we’re basically, good, basically bad, or neutral i.e. just pawns in the game?
Curiously,
Mick
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SSTeacher
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Well, give a bit of thought and find a reason for choosing one of the three as a definite and then we can dialogue about the implications of your choice in relation to the idea of hell.SSTeacher;5003962:
i think we are a blank page, initially…mind you, i dont quite mean nuetral and free will plays too big a part for us to just be pawns…but i dont think that anyone is born either good or evil…lol…i think i just managed to talk in a circle and say nothing…frederick…Frederick,
Hmmm. Engaging thought process, which leads me to ask about your view of human nature. Do you think we’re basically, good, basically bad, or neutral i.e. just pawns in the game?
Curiously,
Mick
Cordially,
Mick
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scooter469
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mvorines
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c) It’s total separation from God foreverHere are some opinions:
a) No such place actually exists
b) It’s just a figurative idea without any reality attached to it
c) It’s total separation from God forever
d) Hell is present in the here and now
e) Only the very wicked people will go to hell
g) It doesn’t matter because there’s no such thing as an afterlife
g) It doesn’t matter because all people will end up in heaven anyway
Feel free to transcribe some sentences detailing the influences that led you to your present opinion.
Grace and peace,
Mick
You can read some private revelations about hell. Read those revelations that are approved by the Church.
You can read those written by St. Faustina, St. Teresa of Avila, St. John Bosco, Bl. Josefa Menendez. I personally liked the revelation about hell to Bl. Josefa Menendez. Maybe you should read it.
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jargon631
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well…you have to realise that i dont necessarily believe in heaven, hell, or salvation…i know that some may find that offensive, but no offense is intended…fdWell, give a bit of thought and find a reason for choosing one of the three as a definite and then we can dialogue about the implications of your choice in relation to the idea of hell.
Cordially,
Mick
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jargon631
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fantastic!!..i enjoy the discussions…:extrahappy:…fdI know you don’t believe and I’m not in the least bit offended.
Cordially,
Mick
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SSTeacher
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OK, so let’s go back to starting question (I have to go to a birthday party in few minutes). Do you think human beings are basically good, basically bad, or neutral? Pick one for definite and once you’ve taken your position we’ll explore the possibilities in connection with the idea of hell.
Cordially,
Mick
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jargon631
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allright…i believe people are basically good…fdOK, so let’s go back to starting question (I have to go to a birthday party in few minutes). Do you think human beings are basically good, basically bad, or neutral? Pick one for definite and once you’ve taken your position we’ll explore the possibilities in connection with the idea of hell.
Cordially,
Mick
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Bill_Pick
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people are basically good
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jargon631
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yes…i believe that even with my cynical outlook on life…lol…fd
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Bill_Pick
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may be this is question I need to ask my ex wife.
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