What issues keep the SSPX irregular?

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brian_custer said:
sspx doesn’t have that many locations in US EDST; which is a shame

i would really be interested in learning more
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Why would you be interested in a group that is disobedient to the Pope and not in union with the Church?
If it’s a valid AND licit Traditional Latin Mass you would like to attend check out the FSSP who are in union with the Church.
 
i understand completely what you have posted;

i have to give this issue some thought

this is the whole purpose of CAF
 
Augustinian said:
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Locations - Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter
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That isn’t very many locations either, the closest to Pittsburgh are in suburban Youngstown and Harrisburg.
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http://www.ecclesiadei.org/index.html

This site, by the coalition in support of Ecclesia Dei, lists Church approved Latin Masses. You look up Pennsylvania, then Pittsburgh, you see what is available.

Not a bad idea to call the church to see if schedule is still current. Besides FSSP, Masses are offered by other RCC religious communities, and by diocesan clergy in some places.
 
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brian_custer said:
does “sspx” have priests, bishops, dioceses, some sort of organized hierarchy?
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SSPX is one of many groups that identify as Catholic. Some support legal abortion and gay marriage. Others teach the Pope is Antichrist. Others range from moderate to extreme. Some have priests who were previously serving in the Church itself.

They all claim to STILL be in the RCC itself, a faithful remnant, though they oppose all the other “faithful remnants”.

Some have a hierarchy, dioceses, and laity. Others, including SSPX, have something like that, different wording. The PNCC is explicitly a denomination, the SSPX says it, SSPX, is not, but a religious order. But for the average family, there is little practical difference.
 
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SSPX is one of many groups that identify as Catholic.
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What is the status of SSPX adherents, the faithful in SSPX pews? Suppose someone was baptized and grew up in an SSPX chapel or was a convert from a non-catholic religious body and was never a member of a diocesan parish.

Suppose such an individual married a Catholic woman, moved to where the SSPX was not, or made a decision to become a regular Catholic. Would they have to go through RCIA? What would be the procedure to bringing them aboard, or are they already aboard because the SSPX is Catholic?
 
Because he wants some old fashioned fire and brimstone homily? Seriously that’s why I love their masses.
 
They probably would not have to, maybe would just have to restate vows in front of licit in communion priest or something.
Think of an Orthodox converting. They are schism with the church too. For almost 1000 years. Their sacraments are still licit. You can’t be re baptized. It would probably be the same with someone baptized in SSPX. The baptism is licit. It’s done in the correct formula. So you don’t need to redo it. And no you wouldn’t have to go through RCIA again, actually the modern state of it youd probably be wasting your time because honestly you probably would have learned much more in the societies program.
 
Augustinian said:
What is the status of SSPX adherents, the faithful in SSPX pews? Suppose someone was baptized and grew up in an SSPX chapel or was a convert from a non-catholic religious body and was never a member of a diocesan parish.
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The SSPX really is a de facto denomination, with their own laity, but they use other wording, like “chapels” rather than parishes, so they can say they are still part of the RCC. I think this misleading wording is a disservice to families.

Anyway, a Catholic not registered in a parish is “assigned” to the nearest geographical RCC parish. In an emergency that pastor would respond to him, just as they do for the Catholic guy who has not been to church, or been only to the Protestant church, for 30 years.

If someone wants to be a godparent, or take on a leadership role in the parish, it is reasonable for the pastor to enquire with this particular person. He may have had good preaching from this SSPX priest, or that Lutheran minister, but who knows?

Each situation, each person is different.
 
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Because he wants some old fashioned fire and brimstone homily? Seriously that’s why I love their masses.
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There are many varieties today of fire and brimstone, each of which regards the other varieties as false. That’s why I’m fussy about where I get my F & B, only relying on sources in Union with the current magisterium.
 
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Anyway, a Catholic not registered in a parish is “assigned” to the nearest geographical RCC parish. In an emergency that pastor would respond to him, just as they do for the Catholic guy who has not been to church, or been only to the Protestant church, for 30 years.
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Are SSPX adherents who have NEVER been a member of a regular Catholic church considered to be “Catholics”
 
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Anyway, a Catholic not registered in a parish is “assigned” to the nearest geographical RCC parish. In an emergency that pastor would respond to him, just as they do for the Catholic guy who has not been to church, or been only to the Protestant church, for 30 years.
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Are SSPX adherents who have NEVER been a member of a regular Catholic church considered to be “Catholics”
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If you were baptized Catholic, you are Catholic. It does not matter, in one sense, if, for past 30 years, you were an adherent of Lutheranism, SSPX, or the American Humanist Society.

But in another sense, it matters a great deal.

By calling their parishes “chapels”, and by calling their geographical areas “districts”, rather than dioceses, SSPX can draw, as you say, lay “adherents” without calling them what they are, their own denomination.

40 years ago, the priest at the chapel probably carried over many years of formation and experience he got from within the Church itself, before he joined SSPX. So the laity were indirectly still getting that, still kinda sorta in contact with the Church.

In 2018, different story.
 
Some groups are more schismatic than others. There are degrees of being schismatic. You can look at this theologically, ecclesiastically, or sociologically. I would say if a chapel urges families to boycott diocesan parishes or activities, that would be somewhat schismatic.

One chapel might be 90 percent schismatic, while another is 10 percent, even in the same organization. Further, an organization can get more schismatic over time, with turnover of personnel. An organization can be both irregular, and in some times and places, also somewhat schismatic in its impact on families. The two are not mutually exclusive.
 
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