What issues keep the SSPX irregular?

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I didn’t see any going outside. Just into a hallway area where they could not be heard.
 
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If they attend the SSPX most probably they know the whole story, they know the bishops, and so on. I don’t recall finding such “lost” people in the chapel I go.
Next time just ask them about it, we don’t bite.
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Feel free to elaborate on your chapel. I would be interested in any kind of contacts between the people who attend, and the local diocese and parishes. In my area they seem to be absent from any of the regional Catholic activities, including prolife and others. They seem to keep a very low profile - I have never read of them sponsoring any kind of activity.

Feel free to add any other info about the chapel.
 
What kind of contact?
Well, usually people from the local diocese and parishes hate tradition and love the horrible liberation theology, so you can deduce how much they care about the Society.
And about activities, we usually do our own, like pilgrimages and other things.

If you want to know more, visit the official website, you’ll find more information.
https://sspx.org/en
 
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My point was not so much that the SSPX were wrong on that point (personally, I think they are, but that was beside the point), simply that having to affirm the legitimacy of the official rites of the Apostolic See itself is not some over-the-top requirement–how could Rome do other if it still uses those rites?

For academic purposes, I’m not sure if the Bellarmine example is helpful to the SSPX. He opposed the first edition of the Sistine Vulgate with considerable discretion. When Sixtus died, Bellarmine was part of the commission set up to fix the translation. He ensured that the second edition was still named after Sixtus and in the preface said this edition fixed the errors of “typesetters and others” to protect Sixtus’ reputation. Making this more remarkable, this was after Sixtus had censured Bellarmine’s Disputations for arguing against universal civil jurisdiction as part of the Pope’s authority (Sixtus V took the other opinion) and had it put on an upcoming edition of the Index (he died just before publishing it, and his successor Gregory XIV, had the Disputations removed). But in the meantime, Bellarmine suffered it in silence without protest–and after such treatment still took steps not to publicly impugn the late Pope.

I am not against all public protest or conscientious objection/disobedience, but St. Robert is the example to go to for the other approach.
 
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Ioannes_L said:
Well, usually people from the local diocese and parishes hate tradition and love the horrible liberation theology, so you can deduce how much they care about the Society.
And about activities, we usually do our own, like pilgrimages and other things.

If you want to know more, visit the official website, you’ll find more information.
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This description is comparable to what little I have been able to find out about the chapel in my city. (I welcome other direct info).

The people at the chapel in my city seem isolated from the bad AND good stuff going on in our diocese.

I do read the official website but the chapels are more relevant to this topic. The irregularity goes on, not because of some last minute issue in Rome negotiations, but because at least some chapels do not want to be “regularized”, if that would mean any real change at all.

They might like some statement that the late archbishop is vindicated, that the SSPX is given the respect it deserves.

Everything else would stay the same. They would want recognition, welcome people to come in, but discourage their people from contact with outside.

It would not be anything like the situation with Opus Dei or Ordinariates, other than on paper.

That’s why I think the real regularization comes about as attached families or clergy swim in on their own. I suspect this is more likely now that Bishop Fellay is no longer top superior. But I pray God to work out the best solution even if it goes against my uninformed theories. I also know Europe is different from the US.
 
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This description is comparable to what little I have been able to find out about the chapel in my city. (I welcome other direct info).
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I’m sorry but that’s the best explanation I have for your questions.
If you want to know more just do what I said before, ask them about it.

And if you don’t mind me asking, why are you so curious about these things?
 
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This description is comparable to what little I have been able to find out about the chapel in my city. (I welcome other direct info).
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I’m sorry but that’s the best explanation I have for your questions.
If you want to know more just do what I said before, ask them about it.

And if you don’t mind me asking, why are you so curious about these things?
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I’m interested partly because of interest in Christians in general. I ask about other groups on the forum.

But I also think traditional or traditionalist Catholics and Protestants, or Anglicans in Continuum closest to the truth. Unlike the liberals of all stripes, they don’t make religion up as they go along.
I also think the forces of secular humanism are on the rampage. So…

I sometimes go the diocesan TLM
 
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If priests come in, if and when they are ready, this small success might be the best we can hope for. If there are others who would not come unless they can lock arms, and march in as a self contained independent entity, they likely are not ready.

Suppose a woman came to me for advice, that she would would not marry
John unless she could have her bodyguard and lawyer move into the house, because she so deeply distrusts John.
I would say it is not in the interest of her or John to marry.

I think the real sticking point in negotiations is not the Mass, nor Vatican 2. It is continued status of SSPX organization.
 
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I did don’t know that they could validly perform marriages? Anyone know where I could find this?
 
Thanks I really appreciate the information. That is really cool. It would be great to have them in full communion.
 
The situation in Western Europe is likely very different from my US diocese, so you may be right.

The status of SSPX organization in a potential merger may have been “settled” in the 1980s, but the current frequent sspx hostility towards some parts of the Church, specifically FSSP, is very unsettling. This is not self defense from a modernist tyrant.

It’s a different situation from Opus Dei, which was criticized but didn’t fight back much, prior to Prelature status, and members were and are far more connected at local level with rest of Church.
 
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It sounds like the French laity is even more Modernist than the US, if they’re that hostile to the FSSP and Traditionalists in general. Sad. France was once the crown jewel of the Church :cry:
 
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