What Mormons Think Of The Trinity

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FCEGM said:
It’s even worse than I thought, Paul! :bigyikes:

We will no doubt hear that this is just one lone Mormon giving his own personal opinion and does not represent the teaching of the LDS. :hypno:
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I have to admit that even as a Mormon I would have disregarded what Cleon Skousen had to say.
 
PaulDupre said:
Here’s a clue about that.

Popular LDS author and BYU Religion Professor W. Cleon Skousen wrote:Through modern revelation we learn that the universe is filled with vast numbers of intelligences, and we further learn that Elohim is God simply because all of these intelligences honor and sustain Him as such… But since God ‘acquired’ the honor and sustaining influence of ‘all things’ it follows as a corollary that if He should ever do anything to violate the confidence or sense of justice’ of these intelligences, they would promptly withdraw their support, and the ‘power’ of God would disintegrate… ‘He would cease to be God.’ Our Heavenly Father can do only those things which the intelligences under Him are voluntarily willing to support Him in accomplishing (The First 2000 Years, pp. 355-356).
Could the Mormon god cease to be a god simply by losing the popular support of his constituents? Were I still Mormon, that would make me very insecure.

Paul
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Wow, Paul, of all things Mormon, that may be the most bizarre thing I have ever read! Where do you find this stuff? Have any General Authorities published a response to this statement?
 
Chris-WA said:
Wow, Paul, of all things Mormon, that may be the most bizarre thing I have ever read! Where do you find this stuff? Have any General Authorities published a response to this statement?
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Cleon Skousen was known for making bizarre statements. I’m sure he had his enemies among the heirarchy, but he was popular enough among the John Birch Society Saints that the disclaimer in the front of his writings that his opinion was his own would have been enough for the heirarchy to remain quiet.
 
FCEGM said:
It’s even worse than I thought, Paul! :bigyikes:

We will no doubt hear that this is just one lone Mormon giving his own personal opinion and does not represent the teaching of the LDS. :hypno:
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Actually it was just one lone Mormon (although a very popular and influential one) giving his own opinion. But his opinion grew out of the Mormon belief that their god is not all-powerful, unchanging, unique or eternal and therefore is subject to limitations and vulnerabilities.

Not all teachings about the Mormon gods are as strange as Skousen’s, but they all posit a limited kind of godhood.

Paul
 
bogeydogg said:
OK I grew up in the Mormon Church and reached the level of high priest (not as exciting as it sounds I was 14). Quote

Im sorry but apparently you didnt grow up in the Mormon Church because cant become a high preist tell the age of 16 or 17.
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ryanoneil said:
If God had a spiritual father (a god) and a physical father (dad), then why wouldn’t God mention this in his scripture? How can you not mention anything about someone you loved so deeply and who you worshipped?
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The mormons believe that he doesnt have a physical father. They believe that God is his spiritual and physical father. Though Mary is still a virgin
 
Brandon23 said:
The mormons believe that he doesnt have a physical father. They believe that God is his spiritual and physical father. Though Mary is still a virgin
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So God the Father had a spiritual father, but no physical father?

I was asking why Jesus’ father made no mention of His father. (Jesus grandfather)

Are we refering to the same set of fathers? :confused:

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
 
Brandon23:
My understanding is that mormon’s believe that God came down and had relations with Mary to concieve Jesus? So how could Mary still be a virgin?
 
Brandon23 said:
The mormons believe that he doesnt have a physical father. They believe that God is his spiritual and physical father. Though Mary is still a virgin
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Brandon, we were speaking not of Jesus’ father, but of Heavenly Father’s father. The consistent teaching of the LDS prophets is that the Heavenly Father is just one god in a long lineage of gods. Your Heavenly Father was not always a god but became a god through obedience to the laws of his father-god, who in turn became a god through obedience to his father-god ad infinitum.

God (the real God) bless you,
Paul (a former Mormon)
 
Kristine1957 said:
Brandon23:
My understanding is that mormon’s believe that God came down and had relations with Mary to concieve Jesus? So how could Mary still be a virgin?
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I don’t know many Mormons who believe that any more. I’ve heard some talk about artificial insemination … mostly when Mormons talk about this it is speculation. Brigham Young taught that God had physical relations with Mary. Brigham Young has to be an embarrassment to most Mormons …
 
And yet, during Brgham Young’s tenure as Prophet, Seer and Revelator the Mormons were expected to believe his teachings. And they did believe him with great enthusiasm. When those teachings were later refuted by succeeding prophets, no one seemed to care. “Follow the living prophet” is what they say.

The question that they never seem to get to is “which of today’s prophet’s teachings will be refuted by later prophets?” and “why should I obey a prophet whose teachings are likely not true?”.

Paul
 
BartBurk said:
I don’t know many Mormons who believe that any more. I’ve heard some talk about artificial insemination … mostly when Mormons talk about this it is speculation. Brigham Young taught that God had physical relations with Mary. Brigham Young has to be an embarrassment to most Mormons …
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It wasn’t just BY who taught that. It has been consistently taught by all the GA’s since then and is still taught now (albeit more subtly).

Paul
 
Ok im sorry, i misunderstood the question. But yes the lds church does believe that God was once a mortal, just as us and went through the same process to become a God. So they think that we can become Gods to. If im wrong plz corrects me
 
Yes, that’s what they believe. But think about it - do you want to worship a being who is just like you only a bit more advanced? The Mormons don’t believe in the real God.

The real God has always been God and has always been perfectly holy and never sinned and is all-loving and all-powerful and created the entire universe and everything in it. That is the God I worship. He’s the only one worthy of worship.

God love you,
Paul
 
ryanoneil said:
If God had a spiritual father (a god) and a physical father (dad), then why wouldn’t God mention this in his scripture? How can you not mention anything about someone you loved so deeply and who you worshipped? Why does God completely deny his “god” (or his physical father) of even a small shred of recognition.
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Which leads me back to my earlier question. Why didn’t our Heavenly father say anything about His father to Joseph Smith? :confused:

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
 
sanblasboy13 said:
Funny that all Mormons seem the same. Don’t like to answer. O well. Ok not ALL…but most,lol.
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sanblasboy,

I am new here, and have interest in this topic, and would be glad to give you answers, based on my understanding.

I am an excommunicated Mormon. I claimed the right to legitimately disagree with the present church leadership, and they would not allow that, even though church revelations do allow it.

However, I have faith that the LDS church is the Lord’s restored church, and will eventually be set in order.

The Mormon faith is that there is ONE infinite God, but that one God is NOT one personage. These personages are ONE because they are in total unity, as taught in John 17.

So, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three separate finite Personages within a greater infinite family union of exalted personages. They are the Godhead that created and continue to govern this earth.

Since I was never taught them, it is easy for me as a Mormon to reject the medieval “creeds”, and the metaphysical doctrines built up on these creeds, such as the Trinity.

A person can fully believe all the Bible and accept the Mormon faith, but they cannot accept the creeds.

Richard
 
erichard said:
A person can fully believe all the Bible and accept the Mormon faith, but they cannot accept the creeds.

Richard
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That’s a silly claim to make in light of the fact that there are over a billion Catholics in the world as well as members other Christian denominations who accept the creeds. All who fully believe the Bible.

Hate to break it to you, but it is those who believe the Book of Mormon who are outside the Christian faiths.
 
erichard said:
The Mormon faith is that there is ONE infinite God,
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Richard,
That is simply not true. The Mormon faith believes and teaches that there are gods without number, and that your “Heavenly Father” is just one more god in a long lineage of gods. He is not the the first god and he will not be the last. Your god is neither infinite nor all-powerful.

Either you are “lying for the Lord”, a typical Mormon practice, or you are truly ignorant of what your church teaches.

Which is it?

Paul (a former Mormon)
 
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