What Muslims are taught in their mosques - unbiased

[Contarini]

This is nonsense! You’re using the multiculturalist argument that all religions are the same and teach the same things.

No, I’m doing nothing of the sort.

The way to evaluate whether a belief system is good or bad is to read the foundational books, the manuscripts that define the creed…the scripture that was carefully written to explain the norms and the intent of those who established it.

The post of yours to which Mirdath was replying did none of those things–it appealed to the behavior of some Muslims to show that the “religion of peace” label was false. Again, you are shifting the ground, refusing to defend what you actually wrote and starting a completely different discussion instead.

The problem with your claim in this post is that any sacred text (or any text at all) will say very different things depending on how one interprets it. You and I have no business as Christians telling Muslims how to interpret their sacred writings, any more than non-Christians have any business telling us how to interpret ours.

Edwin

 

[saint_damo]

Your profile says that you are a Catholic Muslim.

You deny what a Muslim says about wife beating.

You then claim you are a Catholic.

I am the Queen of Romania.

God knows who of us needs forgiveness.

And who good manners.

I have known Fatma personally for 8 years and she is a staunch Catholic born and bred. By calling her a liar you do her a disservice. She is genuine about trying to defend muslims from some of the misrepresantation presented in the media and elsewhere. Salaam and peace be with you

 

[Palladio]

I have known Fatma personally for 8 years and she is a staunch Catholic born and bred. By calling her a liar you do her a disservice. She is genuine about trying to defend muslims from some of the misrepresantation presented in the media and elsewhere. Salaam and peace be with you

Catholics are neither born nor bred, as all Catholics know.

You, not I, use the word liar.

You list your religion as etc.

What a strange post, hard to take seriously.

 

[saint_damo]

Catholics are neither born nor bred, as all Catholics know.

You, not I, use the word liar.

You list your religion as etc.

What a strange post, hard to take seriously.

your comment re being the Queen of Romania is clearly intended to infer fatma is a liar. By denying that you are being deliberately obtuse.

 

[Palladio]

your comment re being the Queen of Romania is clearly intended to infer fatma is a liar. By denying that you are being deliberately obtuse.

You mean imply, not infer.

If being a liar means not telling the whole truth, you be the judge.

Are you two truant children?

You do not, I am sorry to say, give any impression of being devout Catholics: and your religion you list as etc.

Clowning has a short shelf life at any age.

God bless.

 

[saint_damo]

You mean imply, not infer.

If being a liar means not telling the whole truth, you be the judge.

Are you two truant children?

You do not, I am sorry to say, give any impression of being devout Catholics: and your religion you list as etc.

Clowning has a short shelf life at any age.

God bless.

my religion is between my and my conscience and the fact that after i disagreed with you ONCE you then decide to focus on religion and not the validity of an argument shows how little faith you have in any proposition for discussion you put forward. I come to this forum to discuss things in a free and frank manner not to be attacked for not being the same as you.

 

[jedi]

fatma really “staunch catholic” i wonder when she come from. maybe her husband is a moslem. Fatma should come to moslem country to witness the real situation…Can anyone of you especially Miss Fatma or Damo. explain to the world, how come Saudi no churches.??? while moslem can easily attend mosque in western world and the loud speaker of the mosque can freely air in western airspace…>>>>/?

Again… i don’t care Fatma is a catholic or catholic moslem… Fatma you and your friend please promote churches in moslem country…

 

[dolphinlove]

From what i have read of this thread so far, it does seem that fatma is more muslim than Catholic.
If you are genuinly Catholic and sticking up for muslims, well, i think you have been listening to much and not doing enough research about them.
One of my good friends who converted to Islam, has lied to me to cover up some horrible truths about Islam. I brought up the fact that Aisha was a 9 year old girl, she said there was no evidence of her being 9. Hog wash!
Yes they can be kind people, yes they can be helpful, yes they can be very nice. But, this can only last so long.
My friend is always going to be my friend, but all her husband wants to do is talk about ‘what is the truth’ and nothing else, so all he is interested in is trying to convert me.
So, besides the fact that so far in this country, they had a head Imam that thinks women are pieces of meat, that my once honest friend that would never lie to me now lies to me to protect islam and the fact that the same Imam went on egyptian television and continued to rubbish this nation, you really think its a wonderful religion?
Read and educate yourself on it rather than listen to what they tell you!

 

[Palladio]

my religion is between my and my conscience and the fact that after i disagreed with you ONCE you then decide to focus on religion and not the validity of an argument shows how little faith you have in any proposition for discussion you put forward. I come to this forum to discuss things in a free and frank manner not to be attacked for not being the same as you.

I did not attack you: this is not a forum for attacks: I have every confidence in my arguments, beginning with the words I choose. So I would not hesitate to correct you in any way I see fit.

I raised questions about your integrity, that of your alleged friend, questons which become sadly obvious by the most casual reading of your odd posts.

The latest one is also odd, and I am inclined to think that you must be very young and clowning.

So be it.

God bless.

 

[Montalban]

I have known Fatma personally for 8 years and she is a staunch Catholic born and bred. By calling her a liar you do her a disservice. She is genuine about trying to defend muslims from some of the misrepresantation presented in the media and elsewhere. **Salaam **and peace be with you

Why do you use the Moslem word? It means ‘submission’

It’s odd. It’s like saying “I am a Catholic, and may Allah (PBUH) strike me down if I was anything else”

 

[Montalban]

I did not attack you: this is not a forum for attacks: I have every confidence in my arguments, beginning with the words I choose. So I would not hesitate to correct you in any way I see fit.

I raised questions about your integrity, that of your alleged friend, questons which become sadly obvious by the most casual reading of your odd posts.

The latest one is also odd, and I am inclined to think that you must be very young and clowning.

So be it.

God bless.

Where is Fatma? We’ve got someone claiming to want to fix up mixed up perceptions of Islam who offers no evidence excpet alleged eye-witness (ie. "I know lots of nice Moslems) and someone else now interjects on a side issue and offers no argument towards the OP. Ah, the Islamic red-herring!

 

[dolphinlove]

Why do you use the Moslem word? It means ‘submission’

It’s odd. It’s like saying “I am a Catholic, and may Allah (PBUH) strike me down if I was anything else”

Good one, i might use that in my signature, or
“I am Catholic, but Jesus died in India”

 

[Montalban]

Good one, i might use that in my signature, or
“I am Catholic, but Jesus died in India”

Salaam fellow lovers of Jesus (pbuh)! Although I don’t agree with Muhammed (swt) I’d like to address a few misconceptions about Islam.

I’m not here to promote Islam but if you look at this site (insert site by some Mufti) you’ll see that you’re greatly misinformed about this very peaceful (and really honest) religion…

etc…

May your camel always spit dates
-Max Klinger (Cpl.) 4077th MAS*H

 

[Palladio]

Where is Fatma? We’ve got someone claiming to want to fix up mixed up perceptions of Islam who offers no evidence excpet alleged eye-witness (ie. "I know lots of nice Moslems) and someone else now interjects on a side issue and offers no argument towards the OP. Ah, the Islamic red-herring!

Yes, on another site discussing religion and ethics there was quite a lot of Islamo-infantalism going on, whether from politically-correct believers or Muslims themselves. I quit that site for this one hoping to avoid conflict and criticism. Mormons believe paradise is in Missouri, where I don’t live. Maybe I should move there forums.catholic-questions.org/images/smilies/biggrin.gif.

 

[dolphinlove]

Salaam fellow lovers of Jesus (pbuh)! Although I don’t agree with Muhammed (swt) I’d like to address a few misconceptions about Islam.

I’m not here to promote Islam but if you look at this site (insert site by some Mufti) you’ll see that you’re greatly misinformed about this very peaceful (and really honest) religion…

etc…

May your camel always spit dates
-Max Klinger (Cpl.) 4077th MAS*H

 

[Contarini]

From what i have read of this thread so far, it does seem that fatma is more muslim than Catholic.
If you are genuinly Catholic and sticking up for muslims, well, i think you have been listening to much and not doing enough research about them.

Are you saying that Muslims are absolutely evil and that no statement about them could possibly be worse than they deserve? Because only in that case would “sticking up for them” be necessarily wrong. I stick up for the truth as I know it. I am happy to be better informed.

Edwin

 

[dolphinlove]

Are you saying that Muslims are absolutely evil and that no statement about them could possibly be worse than they deserve? Because only in that case would “sticking up for them” be necessarily wrong. I stick up for the truth as I know it. I am happy to be better informed.

Edwin

No im not saying they are purely evil at all, what im saying here is she has been listening to what muslims themselves say about their religion, in which they have been know to twist the truth.
Muslims are not evil, they just dont believe in the truth. They have been misinformed of the truth.

 

[Montalban]

Are you saying that Muslims are absolutely evil and that no statement about them could possibly be worse than they deserve? Because only in that case would “sticking up for them” be necessarily wrong. I stick up for the truth as I know it. I am happy to be better informed.

Edwin

Certainly Islam is evil.

Can we not judge, for instance, Nazis by Nazi ideology? (even though not all Nazis killed Jews).

 

[Contarini]

No im not saying they are purely evil at all, what im saying here is she has been listening .

You made a generalization about people in general who “stick up for” Muslims, presumably including me. My point is that any human being deserves to be “stuck up for” at some point. For instance, if someone were to say that Hitler killed his own mother, I would point out that there’s no evidence that he did any such thing. That’s “sticking up for” Hitler in the sense that I’d be pointing out that an accusation against him was false. It wouldn’t mean that I thought Hitler was a nice person.

By and large, I don’t like Islam much (with the exception of Sufism). I think it is indeed more intrinsically prone to violence than Christianity, though Christianity has plenty of problems in that regard. I find its “absolute monotheism” completely unconvincing and unappealing. I find its emphasis on divine power rather than love (again, by and large and with Sufism as a glorious exception) deeply repellent. And so on, and so forth. But when people make statements I believe to be inaccurate or unsupported, I will point this out. I’m a scholar of religion by profession (though primarily of the history of Christianity), so it’s my job to be as fair and accurate as possible. But it’s also my responsibility as a human being and a Christian.

In Christ,

Edwin

 

[Contarini]

Certainly Islam is evil.

Can we not judge, for instance, Nazis by Nazi ideology? (even though not all Nazis killed Jews).

If you were to say that all Nazis personally killed Jews (or perhaps even that all members of the Nazi party knew about the Final Solution), you would be violating truth and charity, and I would rebuke you for it. That’s my point. Your disapproval of Islam does not justify you in saying things that are not true–on the contrary, you should be far more scrupulously accurate about Islam than about something you like.

Edwin