What mysteries of the Rosary were said on Thursday before the Luminous mysteries were added?

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if it did, she would not have recommended the rosary with a particular form
 
I don’t have my copy of Champions of the Rosary with me right now, but I think I remember that what Mary gave to St. Dominic was the form - decades focused on a mystery - and the actual mysteries we use today were developed over a period of time after that.
 
Mboo said:
JPII himself in the encyclical where he introduced the luminous mystery said that it is his private devotion and that he leaves each or each group of free prayer to add it or not!
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Then there’s nothing for you to have a problem with.
 
We always did Glorious on Wednesday, Saturday, and Sunday, so that left Joyful for Monday/Thursday and Sorrowful for Tuesday/Friday.
 
Mboo said:
if it did, she would not have recommended the rosary with a particular form
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You realise the Rosary was originally 150 Our Fathers? And that things like the Hail Holy Queen and ‘Oh My Jesus’ prayer were added well after St Dominic?

Even by Our Lady’s standards, her ‘preferred form’ has varied over the centuries.

It is inconsistent to accept that the children of Fatima could add to it but not St John Paul Ii, to whom St Lucia of Fatima was close and who loved Our Lady of Farima especiallty.
 
the children of fatima have added nothing, it is the virgin who has added, the children have only executed the orders of the virgin
 
Mountains out of molehills. Reflection and prayer on all aspects of Jesus’ life are wonderful in God’s eyes.
I’m not sure why the 3rd Luminous mystery is problematic. The Luminous mysteries are all about Jesus as Light for the Ages, Light for our lives. In this mystery, Jesus announces his ministry by way of illuminating the fact that he fulfills the Old Testament; that all the prophecy and longing for a savior in the Old Testament was now fulfilled in their presence. He does not come to destroy the Old Covenant, but fulfill it with the New Covenant.
 
Mboo said:
the children of fatima have added nothing, it is the virgin who has added, the children have only executed the orders of the virgin
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The same Lady who revealed the Third secret to the same children about the same St JP2 being shot?

The same St.JP2 who cresited Our Lady of Fatima with saving his life when he was shot? And who.was.friends with the seer Sr Lucia?

The same seer who.said nothing - nothing - about JP2’s Luminous Mysteries being improper or contradictory of the desirea of Our Lady in any way shape or form?
 
we begin the rosary with the creed, the creed has three mysteries, then we develop this creed by meditating on each of these three mysteries, in the creed there is no luminous mystery.
I knew a priest who had also added several mysteries I just remember silent mysteries, and lovers mysteries.
All this is good and beautiful, but it is not what the Virgin gave.
 
LilyM said:
The same seer who.said nothing - nothing - about JP2’s Luminous Mysteries being improper or contradictory of the desirea of Our Lady in any way shape or form?
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why not? there is no connection between all this. The Luminous mysteries is not bad, just like the lovers mysteries that my priest had also made, but it is no longer the authentic rosary
 
Mboo said:
we begin the rosary with the creed, the creed has three mysteries, then we develop this creed by meditating on each of these three mysteries, in the creed there is no luminous mystery.
I knew a priest who had also added several mysteries I just remember silent mysteries, and lovers mysteries.
All this is good and beautiful, but it is not what the Virgin gave.
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I think Our Lady is well capable of telling us herself if she dislikes the Luminous mysteries or finds them ‘inauthentic’, and has chosen not to do so that I am.aware of.
 
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Mboo said:
why not? there is no connection between all this. The Luminous mysteries is not bad, just like the lovers mysteries that my priest had also made, but it is no longer the authentic rosary
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Our rosary is not the authentic rosary. The authentic rosary was 150 Our Fathers.

I look at this from a purely logical point of view. Mary loved her son. Mary loved the work her son was doing. There is no reason to believe that she would be less happy about people reflecting on his work.

That being said, I don’t often say the Luminous Mysteries because I’ve struggled to commit them to memory. But I also frequently decide to spend the whole rosary on one mystery or spend an entire week praying the Sorrowful Mysteries, etc… I don’t think we get graded on how we pray, just as long as we pray.
 
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Mboo said:
we begin the rosary with the creed, the creed has three mysteries, then we develop this creed by meditating on each of these three mysteries, in the creed there is no luminous mystery.
I knew a priest who had also added several mysteries I just remember silent mysteries, and lovers mysteries.
All this is good and beautiful, but it is not what the Virgin gave.
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This is one of the most illlogical.things I’ve ever heard. Please show me where the Assumption and Crowning of Our Lady are mentioned in the Creed? Or for that matter the Visitation or the Presentation?
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nor is there any flagellation in the creed. The mystery of Christ in the creed has three parts:
His incarnation (these are the joyful mysteries)
His passion (these are the painful mysteries)
His ascension, the reign of the Holy Spirit and the life of the world to come (these are the glorious mysteries)
 
Mboo said:
Is not correct. 150 Our Father is before the revelation received by St Dominique from the Virgin
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When Mary gave the present day Rosary to St. Dominic, she modified how the Rosary was said - just as she modified it when she appeared in Fatima. But there was an early rosary prior to the Blessed Virgin’s appearance to St. Dominic.

At the end of the day, I don’t think anything is helped by being critical of how others choose to pray or asserting that there is a “right” way to pray. All prayer is valuable.
 
Yes, but the rosary is a very precise prayer. Adding even 10 additional mysteries can be an excellent prayer, but it is no longer the rosary, we must give it another name, but do not call it rosary anymore
 
casslean said:
But there was an early rosary prior to the Blessed Virgin’s appearance to St. Dominic.
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Yes, but the rosary of 150 our father was not the Rosary of the Virgin Mary if you will. We must say clearly that with the addition of the luminous mystery we have a new prayer that we could call the rosary of JPII and it is no longer the rosary of the Virgin.
 
The church does not teach this, and I’m not sure why you would feel more qualified than JPII to decide what is and isn’t the Rosary.
 
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