What mysteries of the Rosary were said on Thursday before the Luminous mysteries were added?

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If you read Rosarium Virginis Mariae JPII explains that the addition would help to make the Rosary more Christological:
I believe, however, that to bring out fully the Christological depth of the Rosary it would be suitable to make an addition to the traditional pattern which, while left to the freedom of individuals and communities, could broaden it to include the mysteries of Christ’s public ministry between his Baptism and his Passion.
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This passage also makes it clear that the addition is not mandatory - “left to the freedom of individuals and communities”.

He doesn’t say it should be or must be. He says you “could” broaden the rosary to include these mysteries. If anything, I would say that this passage affirms that the rosary is meant to be less strict and rigid than proposed.
 
There are groups of people that pray the 54 day rosary. They believe that it only uses the Joyful, Sorrowful, and Glorious mysteries. Other groups will allow an occasional Luminous mysteries , in the 54 days. One seer wants to add an additional phrase to the Hail Mary. One should be allowed to pray it in their own way. As to JPII, he created a different/alternative to the Stations of the Cross. This does not bother as many people as the form of the rosary. In addition, private revelations from seers is not required belief for every Catholic. Just pray!
 
Mboo said:
Yes, but the rosary is a very precise prayer. Adding even 10 additional mysteries can be an excellent prayer, but it is no longer the rosary, we must give it another name, but do not call it rosary anymore
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That’s not your decision to make. YOU may not call it the rosary, but you can’t tell the Church what to call it.
 
in fact I see this as a problem of logic and not as a religious problem. If one day we add a lot of other words on “our father” I will say that it is no longer our father as taught by Jesus. It is a problem of logic
 
The logic is that the Rosary developed over centuries. I’m sure there were people who felt as you do when the “pray for us sinners” petition was added to the Hail Mary itself, long after St. Dominic. But their feelings didn’t change the fact that it was still the Hail Mary and still the Rosary.
 
Joyful mysteries

Edit: Or was it Glorious?
 
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Interestingly there has been some disagreement over the Lords Prayer. Most Protestants attach " For the Kindgom the power and the glory are yours now and forever". Although we do say this as a concluding doxology at mass in the Ordinary Form, this wasn’t always the case. The reason is some ancient manuscripts did attach this to the prayer and others did not. I am not sure how Protestants began using it as part of the official prayer as the KJV and other early Protestant Bibles were translated from the Vulgate, although not as extensively as the Douay Rheims Bible.But there is overlap even in the apocrypha of the Protestants. Most don’t realize it but we do agree that three texts in the traditional Latin Vulgate are not Inspired. Those are 3 and 4 Esdras and the Prayer of Manneseh. However they go as 1 and 2 Esdras in most modern Bibles. Ezra and Nehemiah are 1 and 2 Esdras in the Vulgate. However the Council of Trent did not regard these as scripture thus Clement Vlll put them in an appendix to the Vulgate in 1598 and also were in the original Douay Rheims in an appendix until following the Challoner revision in 1750.It’s interesting.
 
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Mboo said:
nor is there any flagellation in the creed. The mystery of Christ in the creed has three parts:
His incarnation (these are the joyful mysteries)
His passion (these are the painful mysteries)
His ascension, the reign of the Holy Spirit and the life of the world to come (these are the glorious mysteries)
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Again, illogical. There is a whole - lengthy - section of the Creed discoursing on the Father. Surely by your logic we then need a mystery - or a set of mysteries - about Him as well.
 
Mboo said:
in fact I see this as a problem of logic and not as a religious problem. If one day we add a lot of other words on “our father” I will say that it is no longer our father as taught by Jesus. It is a problem of logic
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Apples and oranges. The mysteries of the Rosary - or the Hail Mary itself for that matter - are not literal words of our Lord quoted verbatim in scripture, unlike the Our Father!

For that matter, back to your obsession with the Creed - the Nicene Creed refers to Jesus coming ‘for us men and for our salvation’.

His baptism, His miracles (first of which was Cana), His preaching the Gospel and above all His instituting the Eucharist- are essential parts of that salvific mission. And just as well.covered by the Creed as Mary’s coronation!
 
See it’s just things I see the church does with no explanation. What is the purpose of the Luminous Mysteries? Did Mary instruct anyone to use these? As far as I’m concerned she instructed Saint Dominic 15 decades. And this has worked fine. Why 20?
Another thing I notice churches adding to long established traditions is an extra 15th station of the cross, the resurrection. Now this is nice and all but the point of stations of the cross is to ponder Christ’s passion. We all know the resurrection is the end to the passion however why does everyone need this uplifting? I feel like this added station nearly ruins the entire point of doing them to begin with.
 
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See it’s just things I see the church does with no explanation. What is the purpose of the Luminous Mysteries? Did Mary instruct anyone to use these?
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Did she instruct him to use the longer form of the Hail Mary that we have now?
 
No one has to pray the Luminous Mysteries. They do not replace the other mysteries.

I have a hard time believing Jesus and Mary would be upset that we are meditating on the baptism/theophany and intercession of Our Lady to begin Jesus’ public ministry.

Or the Eucharist. Which might be relevant in this modern age since, you know, people don’t believe in the Real Presence as much.

If I am wrong, Lord forgive me.
 
Limoncello4021 said:
Joyful
Monday, Thursday, Saturday Joyful
Tuesday and Friday Sorrowful
Wednesday and Sunday Glorious
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This isn’t how I was taught by ICKSP priests…

I was taught that one would traditionally pray them in order, one set per day, therefore: Joyful on Monday, Sorrowful on Tuesday, Glorious on Wednesday, then again: Joyful on Thursday, Sorrowful on Friday, Glorious on Saturday.

Sundays depend on the season:
  • Joyful during from the first Sunday of Advent through the last day of the time after Epiphany (i.e. the day before Septuagesima).
  • Sorrowful from the first Sunday of Septuagesima until Holy Saturday.
  • Glrious from Easter Sunday through the last day of the time after Pentecost (i.e. the day before Advent begins again).
Some would pray nothing but the Sorrowful Mysteries during Lent. I’m not sure if this extended into Septuagesima as well or if it was strictly during Lent.
 
We were obviously taught differently. Saturday has always been a day in my Catholic culture to honor the Blessed Virgin with the joyful mysteries. And there was no alteration that I ever learned about for the liturgical seasons.
 
Yah. I go to mass offered by SSPX and I don’t need the speil I get over that. I know they are irregular.
Traditionalists in good standing such as the FSSP and ICKSP probably have a similar mindset that the traditionl way is what they prefer however without criticizing the church over it. Which is fine. Like many have said the Luminous Mysteries are optional.
 
Yah typically from Septuagesima Sunday through Lent mainly the sorrowful mysteries are said traditionally. It isn’t a requirement.
 
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