What official infallible declaration of any Pope on morals would you as a non-Catholic Christian object to and why?

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Mickey said:
I do not think that anyone here is denying her…what a terrible thing to say.

It is the odd IC doctrine that is being questioned.
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That’s what I have been saying all along. Nobody is denying her that I have ever witnessed here. I don’t get it.:confused:
 
kylemccloughan said:
That’s what I have been saying all along. Nobody is denying her that I have ever witnessed here. I don’t get it.:confused:
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I don’t get it either. There is no reason to insult people because they do not agree with a 19th century doctrine. 🤷
 
Mickey said:
I already have… but you are not able to comprehend. It seems that you are unable to differentiate between original and actual sin. The reason that Our Lady is venerated with such love is because she cooperated with the grace of God to fight and conquer the passions…being obedient to Word of God with her fiat… and remaining ever virgin.

But there is nothing anywhere about being spared from Original sin at the monment of conception.
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Okay then Mickey then why are we not HOLY? If us cooperating with God and not sinning which IS possible as I have showed you is possible, for we are all called to do so, We are still not sinless?

If we were sinless we would have had to have found FAVOR with God and been saved at the MOMENT of our conception also.

But beings we were not we were not washed away from Original Sin until the MOMENT of our Baptism which is the week or so after our BIRTH.

The Blessed Mother was SAVED from it. We were not.

Where is it written that we CANNOT cooperate with the Grace of God and conquor our passions also.

Actually it IS written that we can. There is no sin that cannot be overcome with the Grace of God. Where are we born HOLY as she was?
 
I think you guys are the ones implying ‘terrible’ to us.

I have no intention whatsoever to be belligerent to anyone or make any derogatory projection onto Mary.

I thought it was understood that we all acknowledged our Holy Mother as blessed, that we echo in that she is blessed in Sacred Scriptures?..

Goodness…I wear no mitts here…especially when discussing holy, pure, and gentle Mary…
 
Mickey said:
We are trying. 🙂

St Mary is our great example.
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No Mickey The Angel said to the Blessed Mother you have found Favor with God.That means you have been Made HOLY by God.

IT says nothng about you are trying to be HOLY it said you have been MADE HOLY. Explain that Mickey!😉
 
Mickey said:
Not at all my friend. We celebrate the Feast of the conception by St Anna of the Most Holy Theotokos (It is not one of our major feats). But this has nothing to do with the RCC doctrine of IC.
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It has nothing to do with Mary being Conceived without Sin:shrug: Exactly where does this concept in the EO come from?

We may hit the 1000 mark with that comment 😉
 
rinnie said:
IT says nothng about you are trying to be HOLY it said you have been MADE HOLY.
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St Mary through her cooperation with God’s grace said “yes” to the angel and gave birth to our Saviour. Through her own free will, she cooperated with grace to remain sinless. She is a great ascetic. We are called to emulate this.
 
Mickey said:
That came from the apologists
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I didn’t see that at the page bottom, Sorry.

You guys do know Mickey went to Catholic School 👍 And in all fairness there are aspects I do agee with him. Obviously this isn’t one.

In other words don’t take this thread or my words as a lack of love for him, thats simply “incorrect”. 😉

Nonetheless a simple word can allude to an incorrect assumption.
 
Mickey said:
St Athanasius never supported the unusual idea of an IC of the Virgin Mary. 🤷
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Mickey where did St Athanasius say that the Blessed Mother was not SINLESS? What you keep saying is this one did not understand it. There was nothing unusual about the Mother of Christ being saved from sin by God. What would actually be more unusual is to say that God did NOT save his Mother from sin.

But lets talk about what the Church, the pilar of all truth teaches. IT is a True teaching that the Blessed Mother is saved from Original sin. What about what is revealed by the power of the Holy Spirit to us by the Church and that being one of them. What about that:confused:
 
rinnie said:
Mickey where did St Athanasius say that the Blessed Mother was not SINLESS?
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We seem to have a communication problem. Are you saying that since you believe that St Mary was spared from original sin at conception…that she was not capable of actual sin?
 
Mickey said:
St Mary through her cooperation with God’s grace said “yes” to the angel and gave birth to our Saviour. Through her own free will, she cooperated with grace to remain sinless. She is a great ascetic. We are called to emulate this.
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You did not answer my question Mickey and you never do. Please do so, If she REMAINED sinless how did she become SINLESS if not by being saved from Sin from God in the first place.

You keep acusing me of not understanding Original sin.

If I am wrong please show me where what I am saying disputes Church teaching.

I was born into Original Sin because of the sin of Adam and Eve. I was saved from ORiginal Sin by the body and blood of my Dear Jesus.

If my dear Lord would not have died on the Cross I would not have had Baptism to FREE me from Original sin.

Now the Blessed Mother was SAVED like me, but unlike me Long before her human birth. It was at the moment of her conception. She was NOT brought into this world with Original SIn. IF she was then JEsus would have also had to have had it. What part of that do you not see Mickey. IF SHe HAD to have had it because she was HUMAN then Christ would have HAD to have had it because he was FULLY HUMAN also.

Original sin is not actual it is inherited. But the Blessed Mother was SAVED from it, so by being SAVED from it and it not touching her in anyway it had not touched her SON JESUS.

Another easy way Mickey If I inherit a million dollars and it is said that every single child I have will inherit a million dollars they will, but if there is a clause in there that says if I dp not married that child will not inherit a million it will not inherit the money. it will NOT GET THE MONEY.

The same thing here. The blessed Mother did not inherit it because God put his own clause in there and saved her from sin, which by the way is worth more then a million dollars:D

It was by the SIN of Adam and Eve we inherited O.S. But it is by the GRACE of God that he SAVED the Blessed Mother.

Again Mickey the angel said you have found favor with God, you are full of Grace, Which means you made fully HOLY. No part of sin can touch you if you are made holy. She was MADE holy by GOd .

Back to square one Mickey define Original Sin/
 
Mickey said:
We seem to have a communication problem. Are you saying that since you believe that St Mary was spared from original sin at conception…that she was not capable of actual sin?
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No, What does God saving her from Original Sin have to do with taking away her free will? I have asked you this before and you never answered that either.

Are you saying if God saves us from Original sin we have no free will. THen how did Eve sin? Was she not free from original sin? DId she have her free will taken way. You are not making sense here my good buddy.
 
Mickey said:
We seem to have a communication problem. Are you saying that since you believe that St Mary was spared from original sin at conception…that she was not capable of actual sin?
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Now what I am saying is this, SHE was SAVED from ALL SIN, SHE had to be to be made Immaculate and Pure and Holy.

Mickey are we born into Original sin or not? If we are how could we possibly be SINLESS? If the Blessed Mother was born into it as you say she could not possible be Sinless.
 
Mickey said:
You’ll come around. 😃
You are my brother in Christ! 👍
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You know we ALL love you Mickey. What people do not understand is when we disagree with one another in no way takes away from our deep love and respect for one another.
 
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