What one author says about the Muslim "religion"

[planten]

Originally Posted by GraceDK
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Islam is exactly what Muhammad said and did. He exemplifies Islam and is held in highest esteem and still imitated. He had sex with a 9 year old and killed so many…

So I dont understand people like you. You think its intolerant to be against islam. I am against all inhuman ideologies. I am pro-human, pro.human rights etc, so I must be against Islam.

** Islam is exactly what Muhammad said and did. But you know nothing what Muhammad said and did. So you can keep quiet on this issue.

muhammad married a young virgin girl, the virgin lady that he married in his entire life. All his other wives were either widows or divorcees.

You are tolerant or not doe snot affect us Muslims. It will only benefit or harm you only. You have nothing to do with any human business as you are unaware of good things. you are biased against islam. So your human right business is unfair.**

 

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** Islam is exactly what Muhammad said and did. But you know nothing what Muhammad said and did. So you can keep quiet on this issue.

muhammad married a young virgin girl, the virgin lady that he married in his entire life. All his other wives were either widows or divorcees.

You are tolerant or not doe snot affect us Muslims. It will only benefit or harm you only. You have nothing to do with any human business as you are unaware of good things. you are biased against islam. So your human right business is unfair.**

these words are scary… and tend to prove the points being made here…

“It will only benefit or harm you only.”

that doesn’t sound too good at all…

and you are verbally attacking poster… saying s/he is " unaware of good things" etc…

and it is very immoral to have more than one wife. Should a wife have several husbands?

men & women are equal in the eyes of God and should be equal in the eyes of man… the fact that they are NOt reflecrts on man, not God…

 

[mark_a]

So we have a global terrorist movement insulated within a global political project insulated within a severly self-segregating religion whose adherents are the fastest-growing demographic in the developed world " [They, unlike everyone else in the world, including so called Catholics, do NOT practice birth control].

That pretty much sums it up. Muslims submit to their God and Catholics don’t. God help us.

 

[sedonaman]

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He should be careful about everything and should not run down to an illicit remark of the very old times.
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Then why do Muslims constantly harp on the Crusades? Hmmm?

 

[planten]

these words are scary… and tend to prove the points being made here…

“It will only benefit or harm you only.”

that doesn’t sound too good at all…

and you are verbally attacking poster… saying s/he is " unaware of good things" etc…

and it is very immoral to have more than one wife. Should a wife have several husbands?

men & women are equal in the eyes of God and should be equal in the eyes of man… the fact that they are NOt reflecrts on man, not God…

**I am not attacking any one. The other party is attacking my religion. Since when did it beome mandatory for men to have only One wife. Jospeh the Carpentar had mor ethan one wife. he was a married person and he took Mary as his second wife. Jacob son of Issac had 4 wives. King Soloman had 300 wives. You are the odd one out. I would not say more than that. Youa re already fed up to boiling point.

I would repeat: Any one who is biased should not talk about human rights.
**.

 

[sedonaman]

**I am not attacking any one. The other party is attacking my religion.
**.

We have already established that Muslims fight only in defense because the mere existence of a non-believer/kafir/whatever is an aggressive act against Islam.

Now, would you please try to see things from the non-believer/kafir/whatever’s perspective?

 

[planten]

J C, I do not believe in attacking any one physically. But I have the right to defend in words whatever wrong is being spread. I do not support any one of any faith who physically attacks other for any religious beliefs.

 

[planten]

We have already established that Muslims fight only in defense because the mere existence of a non-believer/kafir/whatever is an aggressive act against Islam.

Now, would you please try to see things from the non-believer/kafir/whatever’s perspective?

sedonaman, every kafir will go to hell. Every one who opposed or fought Moses or Jesus or Muhammad is a Kafir and will go to hell. that is our belief. We Muslims may have to fight against the Kafir. But you christian are taught to kiss the kafir (enemy). So you have your way and we will have our way.

 

[seraphime2008]

sedonaman, every kafir will go to hell. Every one who opposed or fought Moses or Jesus or Muhammad is a Kafir and will go to hell. that is our belief. We Muslims may have to fight against the Kafir. But you christian are taught to kiss the kafir (enemy). So you have your way and we will have our way.

Planten
Please define Kafir then. One post u said Kafir is one who doesn’t say the Kalimah subsequently not accepting Muhammad as the prophet and also has been involve in war with Muslim. But there are verses that said fight those who don’t accept Islam to be the truth, that doens;t sound like one has to be in war. Now…what is that line of logic that we should understand. U seem to be running some different logic ?

And also define the fighting against the Kafir then? What are u referring of fight here? Violence and war against them?

U said that Christian are taught to kiss the enemy, but u instead, have chosen to kiss the black stone instead of trying to win out the hearts of an unbeliever by showing ur compassion towards them. If u kill the infidel, u will not have the time nor opportunity to persuade them to acknowledge the truth, which will be regarded as making fruits in our term, which will be awarded by God. What will be the fruit of ur effort? U’re putting ur self in God’s place by sending them to hell as u might think?

And btw if u find that Christians are weak because we have to “kiss the enemy” (what verses are u referring to?), actually it indicates that as Christian we have to be strong to put the Law of Love to our enemy, we should not give up the efforts of applying that higher law because we will be trapped in to the same action of violance and retaliation. And by that we have faith that God will interfere with His own grace and give us strenght.

Ur Koran has suggested that people take some short cut, quick and lazy methods by fighting and killing for the acceptance of ur ideology. Ur Koran has made God powerless to show His own term of mercy and justice. Ur Koran has made u being the judge of other people.

 

[Hadi]

Don’t be an aggressor

“Do not let your hatred of a people incite you to aggression.” Quran 5:2

Wish peace to the disbelievers

So, turn away from them (disbelievers) and wish them peace.” (43:89)

Don’t return hatred with hatred

And do not let ill-will towards any folk incite you so that you swerve from dealing justly. Be just; that is nearest to heedfulness Quran 5:8

No compulsion in religion

“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things.” 2:256

meet other people from other cultures

“O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).”
Quran 49:13

Do good to others

God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you over religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just. God merely forbids you from taking as friends those who have fought you over religion and driven you from your homes and who supported your expulsion. Any who take them as friends are wrongdoers. (Qur’an, 60:8-9)

respect Monasteries, Churches and Synagogues since they are God’s houses

…if God had not driven some people back by means of others, monasteries, churches, synagogues and mosques, where God’s name is mentioned much, would have been pulled down and destroyed. God will certainly help those who help Him-God is All-Strong, Almighty. (Qur’an, 22:40)

don’t be abusive toward disbelievers and pagans

“Do not revile those whom they invoke other than Allah.” (6:108)

Be respectful and gentle when you preach to others

Invite (people) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good counsel. And argue with them in the best of manners. Surely, your Lord knows best the one who deviates from His way, and He knows best the ones who are on the right path.” (16:125)

 

[Jay53]

Don’t be an aggressor

“Do not let your hatred of a people incite you to aggression.” Quran 5:2

Wish peace to the disbelievers

So, turn away from them (disbelievers) and wish them peace.” (43:89)

Don’t return hatred with hatred

And do not let ill-will towards any folk incite you so that you swerve from dealing justly. Be just; that is nearest to heedfulness Quran 5:8

No compulsion in religion

“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things.” 2:256

meet other people from other cultures

“O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).”
Quran 49:13

Do good to others

God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you over religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just. God merely forbids you from taking as friends those who have fought you over religion and driven you from your homes and who supported your expulsion. Any who take them as friends are wrongdoers. (Qur’an, 60:8-9)

respect Monasteries, Churches and Synagogues since they are God’s houses

…if God had not driven some people back by means of others, monasteries, churches, synagogues and mosques, where God’s name is mentioned much, would have been pulled down and destroyed. God will certainly help those who help Him-God is All-Strong, Almighty. (Qur’an, 22:40)

don’t be abusive toward disbelievers and pagans

“Do not revile those whom they invoke other than Allah.” (6:108)

Be respectful and gentle when you preach to others

Invite (people) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good counsel. And argue with them in the best of manners. Surely, your Lord knows best the one who deviates from His way, and He knows best the ones who are on the right path.” (16:125)

I’m always curious: when were these verses “revealed” timewise? Are these the Meccan revelations or the Medina revelations?

 

[planten]

I’m always curious: when were these verses “revealed” timewise? Are these the Meccan revelations or the Medina revelations?

Originally Posted by Hadi

Don’t be an aggressor

“Do not let your hatred of a people incite you to aggression.” Quran 5:2 (revealed in Madinah)

Wish peace to the disbelievers

So, turn away from them (disbelievers) and wish them peace.” (43:89) (Meccan)

Don’t return hatred with hatred

And do not let ill-will towards any folk incite you so that you swerve from dealing justly. Be just; that is nearest to heedfulness Quran 5:8 (Madinan)

No compulsion in religion

“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things.” 2:256 (Madinan)

meet other people from other cultures

“O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).”
Quran 49:13 (Revealed in Madinah after liberation of Makkah city)

Do good to others

God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you over religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just. God merely forbids you from taking as friends those who have fought you over religion and driven you from your homes and who supported your expulsion. Any who take them as friends are wrongdoers. (Qur’an, 60:8-9) (Madinan)

respect Monasteries, Churches and Synagogues since they are God’s houses

…if God had not driven some people back by means of others, monasteries, churches, synagogues and mosques, where God’s name is mentioned much, would have been pulled down and destroyed. God will certainly help those who help Him-God is All-Strong, Almighty. (Qur’an, 22:40) (Madinan)

don’t be abusive toward disbelievers and pagans

“Do not revile those whom they invoke other than Allah.” (6:108) (Madinan)

Be respectful and gentle when you preach to others

Invite (people) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good counsel. And argue with them in the best of manners. Surely, your Lord knows best the one who deviates from His way, and He knows best the ones who are on the right path.” (16:125) (Makkan)

 

[Jay53]

Originally Posted by Hadi

Thank you, planten!

Is there something in the Quran that indicates when each verse was revealed? (i.e a certain order to them etc.)

 

[Reuben_J]

sedonaman, every kafir will go to hell. Every one who opposed or fought Moses or Jesus or Muhammad is a Kafir and will go to hell. that is our belief. We Muslims may have to fight against the Kafir. But you christian are taught to kiss the kafir (enemy). So you have your way and we will have our way.

What about a person who believes in Moses and Jesus but opposes Mohammad?

 

[sedonaman]

What about a person who believes in Moses and Jesus but opposes Mohammad?

He is a kafir damned to hell. Recall that a kafir’s mere existence is an attack against Islam.

 

[Hadi]

What about a person who believes in Moses and Jesus but opposes Mohammad?

If he believes that Jesus is only a prophet…he will be rewarded… even without believing in Mohamed…(same with Sabians who I think don’t even believe in Jesus)…also, the Jews will be rewarded…that is just a general answer (from my understanding of some verse in the Quran ),but only God determine the destiny of each person…

 

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That pretty much sums it up. Muslims submit to their God and Catholics don’t. God help us.

yes but its better not to submit to a “god” like that… a god of hate…

i gues it kinda goes back to what Jesus said about how so few find that narrow road that leads to Heaven. i do what i can to get people on (keep them on) that road but seems liked it doesn’t do much good…

God knows…

humans seem to be naturally belligerent…

which is good if you are belligerently Catholic…

 

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not to mention that people will not wnt to learn about Islam when all they see about it is hate / murder… especially when it is done in the name of “God”…

maybe Catholics don’t always come across as the most “loving” people… but we don’t advocate flying planes into buildings causing people to burn to death or choose to jump out of a window… The thought of this makes me cry… do Muslims not believe in Jesus’ words: Whatever you do to the least of my brethren, you do to Me (God)… Oh that’s right… they don’t believe Jesus was divine…

What - Mohommed is??? :banghead::hypno:

i would never embrace a religion that tolerates this kind of thing - Jihad - much less promotes it… and because i don’t embrace it, Muslims (most?) undoubtedly see me as an infidel… the enemy…

 

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**I am not attacking any one. The other party is attacking my religion. Since when did it beome mandatory for men to have only One wife. Jospeh the Carpentar had mor ethan one wife. he was a married person and he took Mary as his second wife. ** that’s a total fabrication… It says right in the Bible that MOSES (not God) only allowed divorce (from ONE woman) because of the hardness of man’s hearts, that in the beginning a man left his father & mother and would cling to his wife, becoming ONE with her… You don’t believe the Bible… and yet you believe a religion begun by a mere human…

Jacob son of Issac had 4 wives. King Soloman had 300 wives. You are the odd one out. I would not say more than that. Youa re already fed up to boiling point.

in the US peple can talk about whatever they want… (as long as they’re not speaking to the enemy, as in giving them secrets about the country… don’t have to worry about that from me. I love this coiuntry, warts and all)

 

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He is a kafir damned to hell. Recall that a kafir’s mere existence is an attack against Islam.

makes you appreciate the Word of God:

Judge not, lest you be judged.

it’s one thing to comment on the wickedness of a person’s behavior… We cannot turn a blind eye to such things as abortion, etc…

but to say that someone is damned to Hell… is to think you are God…