What REALLY happened in the Garden! Women the weaker of the two sexes? (All in fun)

[AlanFromWichita]

Well, I know the government profits from the women’s lib because now there are two people being taxed.

Yes, that was one. With traditional families, half the population was not being taxed.

The other reason was to get in the hands of government (schools etc) so that the state could better indoctrinate them. The traditional family was an obstacle to the point of view the bankers wanted children to have about the government and the system.

Reference: interview segment with movie producer Aaron Russo about what David Rockefeller told him, personally.

And of course, as conservative commentators have been saying for decades, with the breakup of the family as we know it, the government has stepped in and become the de facto missing spouse and missing parents, and have brought a couple generations now to dependency on the government – which takes its orders from the bankers it owes money to, including the private bank known as the Federal Reserve. Funny thing about that; until recently I didn’t know it was a private bank that “makes” our money and we just borrow it; sounds screwy but the Rockefellers and Rothschilds managed in 1911 to sway the politicians into creating it. (And that is not “just a conspiracy theory.”)

[BIBLEDRB]prov 22:7[/BIBLEDRB]

Alan

 

[severus68]

If God wanted men taking care of the children He would have made MEN’S breast to produce milk!

Yes, men should stand aloof, never bonding with their children:, beating their chests every now and then to tell others and to remind themselves that they are real men.
OR, they can be open and vulnerable in their love for their children, take care of their kids, bond with them, feed the babies milk left in the fridge by their wives, give glasses of milk to the older ones.

 

[severus68]

The Church does not say anything for or against the concept of gender roles or who should work etc, but I just think in light of scripture demands and the ways things were back then (and as developed as society may be, lets not kid ourselves, we are in a much worse state when it comes to morals and ethics), it should be replicated; ie, men should maintain their role as workers and women as wives. I personally believe strongly that if it’s possible for only 1 partner to work (which is very hard today), Catholic couples should adopt the concept and be grateful that they can afford to do so.

The reason for this is that it maintains character between genders, which is kind of what the scriptures were warning and talking about. Nobody denies that women are capable of working and succeeding, but I feel that if it becomes a norm for women to work (as is slowly happening today), the character and persona created by God between the 2 genders will slowly disappear. God clearly has a different desire for the 2 genders, and their roles and characters should be maintained for faiths sake; ie, men should remain the masculine, dominant, workers and providers, and women should remain the feminine, gentle, housewives. It’s important for kids growing up to be able to take the view of 2 different role models; a manly father who works, and a gentle mother who takes care of duties at home. Two couples working or reversing the process would upset a balance, which I believe is against what God wanted. Not to say that God doesn’t want women to work, but they should always remember who and what they are; the woman, the gentle and loving child nurturer. This is the way I was raised, and it worked wonders for all of us (big family of kids). The boys got married and worked hard for occupational success and financial comfort for the family, while the girls go married and attended to the needs of the husband and the kids, and in return they didn’t have to wake up early, sit through traffic, and take orders at work for 8 hours a day. Sounds like a fair deal to me.

Actually, way back then , women worked too, in farms etc.to help provide. The only women who did not work were the rich upper class. Back then, women had no say, they were told what to do. Thank you but I don’t want a world where one gender is marginalised and dominated.

A woman does not have to sweet and demure to be a real woman.

Put up your hands pleas,e those women with kids at home who are able to sleep in.

Immorality, evil, war etc have been in this world since the Fall.

 

[simple_soul]

Yes, that was one. With traditional families, half the population was not being taxed.

The other reason was to get in the hands of government (schools etc) so that the state could better indoctrinate them. The traditional family was an obstacle to the point of view the bankers wanted children to have about the government and the system.

Reference: interview segment with movie producer Aaron Russo about what David Rockefeller told him, personally.

And of course, as conservative commentators have been saying for decades, with the breakup of the family as we know it, the government has stepped in and become the de facto missing spouse and missing parents, and have brought a couple generations now to dependency on the government – which takes its orders from the bankers it owes money to, including the private bank known as the Federal Reserve. Funny thing about that; until recently I didn’t know it was a private bank that “makes” our money and we just borrow it; sounds screwy but the Rockefellers and Rothschilds managed in 1911 to sway the politicians into creating it. (And that is not “just a conspiracy theory.”)

[BIBLEDRB]prov 22:7[/BIBLEDRB]

Alan

*Hi Alan,

I remember reading a very small book of y father’s when I was younger. I believe it was called “The Federal Reserve.” I just looked through my small home library and could not find it. Funny, I thought it was one of the books I took with me when I left, what was left, of my home. Anyway one thing it did open my eyes to was how the Banking system is privately owned just regulated in some way or another. Did not connect the Rockeffellers and Rothschilds at the time not being very savey with the politics and all that and I do not remember enough of the book to remember if they had mentioned them by name or not. Have you ever heard of the book or read it and if you have how accurate is it?*

 

[simple_soul]

Yes, men should stand aloof, never bonding with their children:, beating their chests every now and then to tell others and to remind themselves that they are real men.
OR, they can be open and vulnerable in their love for their children, take care of their kids, bond with them, feed the babies milk left in the fridge by their wives, give glasses of milk to the older ones.

My husband does all he can to be the primary income earner and he is still able to bond with his children and he has a very confident and loving relationship with them. He has changed their diapers and fed them bottles and has read them stories and ect, ect, ect…

The main reason he is able to bond with them like this is because I stay primarily home and take care of the majority of the household chores.
I am only telling you this because from what you say here I am getting the impression that you believe all men who are the primary bread earners are worse than what I have heard Neanderthals as being. So as you can see, not all men who are the primary money earners with the mother staying primarily home, are like how you describe them as being.

 

[severus68]

My husband does all he can to be the primary income earner and he is still able to bond with his children and he has a very confident and loving relationship with them. He has changed their diapers and fed them bottles and has read them stories and ect, ect, ect…

The main reason he is able to bond with them like this is because I stay primarily home and take care of the majority of the household chores.
I am only telling you this because from what you say here I am getting the impression that you believe all men who are the primary bread earners are worse than what I have heard Neanderthals as being. So as you can see, not all men who are the primary money earners with the mother staying primarily home, are like how you describe them as being.

I am all for what your husband does . I have no issue if the wife stays at home. It is the decision of the couple. I was responding to a particular post.

 

[simple_soul]

Fun and games on this thread are fine. I do enjoy the humor.

Catholicism does teach that Adam and Eve were subject to the moral norms that govern their use of freedom. Since this is a fun thread, one can submit all kinds of fun moral issues. I posted that at least Eve did not have to worry about Adam cheating on her because she was the only woman in the garden.

As far as the issue of protecting one another even if it cost them their lives– Maybe someone else has the chapter and verse which describes this issue for this thread. In any case, if one is interested, my suggestion is to check out the really serious Garden issue described in the first three chapters of Genesis. This is the one which was between Adam and the Divine Creator (not between Adam and Eve) on some other more serious thread. Source of Catholic teachings on the subject is the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, paragraphs 355-421. Warning! This is not a page-turner.

*From following this thread and reading a little bit of the other thread you posted earlier I am beginning to believe that the relationship between Adam and God and Adam and Eve are intricately connected. It is like the one effects the other and I am not sure if one can really understand the severity of either of them. It kind of reminds me of the greatest two commandments: “Love God with your whole heart, your whole mind, and your whole soul and love your neighbor as yourself.” If you break one or the other of these two commandments it directly effects and breaks the other commandment…

Thank you for the CCC paragraph references…will have to read up on it…

 

[simple_soul]

I am all for what your husband does . I have no issue if the wife stays at home. It is the decision of the couple. I was responding to a particular post.

ohh…ok

 

[AlanFromWichita]

*Hi Alan,

I remember reading a very small book of y father’s when I was younger. I believe it was called “The Federal Reserve.” I just looked through my small home library and could not find it. Funny, I thought it was one of the books I took with me when I left, what was left, of my home. Anyway one thing it did open my eyes to was how the Banking system is privately owned just regulated in some way or another. Did not connect the Rockeffellers and Rothschilds at the time not being very savey with the politics and all that and I do not remember enough of the book to remember if they had mentioned them by name or not. Have you ever heard of the book or read it and if you have how accurate is it?*

No, I don’t know what book you mean, but it’s finally becoming known that the ownership of the country by the very wealthy few is no longer just a conspiracy theory. They own both parties. If they had a serious problem with either candidate, they have the resources to see they never get on the ballot.

These families who own the Fed have been at it a while. Over 200 years ago, Amschel Rothschild said, “Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes the laws.” Imagine how proud he’d be if he knew his descendants would, in fact, along with the Rockefellers, would own the Fed that they got the politicians to put into place in 1913.

Alan

 

[simple_soul]

Alan, Not to derail the thread but have you watched or read the “Hunter Games?”

 

[simple_soul]

Alan, Not to derail the thread but have you watched or read the “Hunter Games?”

I mean “Hunger Games.”

 

[Nimzovik]

Yes, that was one. With traditional families, half the population was not being taxed.

The other reason was to get in the hands of government (schools etc) so that the state could better indoctrinate them. The traditional family was an obstacle to the point of view the bankers wanted children to have about the government and the system.

Reference: interview segment with movie producer Aaron Russo about what David Rockefeller told him, personally.

And of course, as conservative commentators have been saying for decades, with the breakup of the family as we know it, the government has stepped in and become the de facto missing spouse and missing parents, and have brought a couple generations now to dependency on the government – which takes its orders from the bankers it owes money to, including the private bank known as the Federal Reserve. Funny thing about that; until recently I didn’t know it was a private bank that “makes” our money and we just borrow it; sounds screwy but the Rockefellers and Rothschilds managed in 1911 to sway the politicians into creating it. (And that is not “just a conspiracy theory.”)

[bibledrb]prov 22:7[/bibledrb]

Alan

 

[Nimzovik]

Yes, men should stand aloof, never bonding with their children:, beating their chests every now and then to tell others and to remind themselves that they are real men.
OR, they can be open and vulnerable in their love for their children, take care of their kids, bond with them, feed the babies milk left in the fridge by their wives, give glasses of milk to the older ones.

Implying that men do not love their children already eh?

Would you advocate Male breast feeding as well?

 

[AlanFromWichita]

I mean “Hunger Games.”

Yes, my son had read it, so when it came out he and wife and I saw it. I think my favorite hazard was the hive of Tracker Jackers (genetically engineered wasps).

 

[simple_soul]

Yes, my son had read it, so when it came out he and wife and I saw it. I think my favorite hazard was the hive of Tracker Jackers (genetically engineered wasps).

*.Yeah those were pretty intense. What I liked even better was how Rue and here people knew the plants and how to heal Katniss from her stings.

Anyway there are a couple of reasons I brought it up. 1st reason is because of the one line that Donald Sutherland aka President Snow told the Game Master. “Hope is a good thing, but too much hope is a bad thing.” It is how I have felt about politics for a long, long time. I saw a while back how not one candidate ever offered all the good. It was always so split up and manipulated and spread out and it keeps our nation divided. I am sure you have noticed how every politician offers just enough hope to get elected but never the completely gives complete hope to the voters. They just give enough to try and secure their vote. Your last post reminded me of this and just wanted to share for some reason.

The 2nd reason was how the rebellion all starts because Katniss, being the good keeper of her sister that she was, took her place knowing full well that she would probably die.

It just helped me see how the only answer to the problems we are facing in this world, no matter how manipulated and controlled we are, is to bring back that brotherly and sisterly kind of love that compels us to be our brother’s keeper.

In a way I believe it does fit into this thread. Just on a serious not and not really in fun.

My apologies to you Lady Love…but to end this on a note that is along the “in fun line”
One of my fathers favorite things to say was “just like a woman” any time any woman did something he did not like or understand. One day he said it to me and I retorted back, “Well at least I am what I am supposed to be!” At first he was taken back and then he burst out laughing and never made comments like that to me again.
ok back to the in fun side of things*

 

[simple_soul]

Implying that men do not love their children already eh?

Would you advocate Male breast feeding as well?

Ouch! That hurts just thinking about it and I am a woman.

 

[rcwitness]

Rule of thumb: When you see me making the first response in a thread with , it means that I’m interested in the thread, but care not to respond to the OP myself, so I’m waiting for other responses to respond to.

Just a little ironic note here,
The expression “rule of thumb” came from legal courts rule of what was considered a large enough weapon used by a man hitting his wife with to be tried and punished. Smaller than the thumb was permissable!

Sorry my Ladies,
We are definitely not what God created us to be!

Shamefully,
Michael

 

[rcwitness]

Whoever is least of importance in this world is great in heaven, whoever puts themselves lowest and last is raised up by God.
My dear Lady Love is making sure I will be great in heaven!

Thank you for your blessings,
Michael

 

[Nimzovik]

Truthfully… That is the bottem line. Tell that to Feminists!

 

[lerapt78]

These families who own the Fed have been at it a while. Over 200 years ago, Amschel Rothschild said, “Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes the laws.” Imagine how proud he’d be if he knew his descendants would, in fact, along with the Rockefellers, would own the Fed that they got the politicians to put into place in 1913.

Alan

This quote is particularly telling, isn’t it? And that’s not even the scariest quote of his, at least from a Catholic/Christian perspective.