You are right. It is certainly acceptable to support strong border security differing degrees of immigration laws. What is not acceptable is to expect the Church to abandon Her mission of mercy to all, or to marginalize and de-humanize anyone.The Church does not teach a no-borders world or nation. Christ did not teach that, and the Catechism doesnt teach that.
Yes, but it is also a mandate to the Church. It is laudable for one to be charitable, and one is can not be charitable to every person there is, or every organization. However, no Catholic has a right to criticize the charity of other Catholics because they do not support one group, or criticize them for supporting one group. That is where I have problems with some of the opinions here. If someone does not want to help those who are here illegally, then help others in need. But do not criticize those that do help those here illegally with basic necessities. It is not your place to judge.So…how does “the Church” do this. The Church is like “the government.” They have no money unless “the people” pay “the church” or “the government.” Gods mandate that we feed the hungry is a personal mandate…not a governmental mandate.
You are entitled to feed them with YOUR money but not with MINE. Where in the bible does Jesus tell anyone to steal from his fellow countrymen to feed illegal immigrants?What invasion are you talking about? I think your paranoia has the better of you. Rhetoric does not make for good arguement. What you have been told by people in the Justice Department is irrelevant. We follow Jesus, not inuendo and prejudice. It is he that said, Do you really want to base the fate of your eternal soul on the opinon of bureaucrats?
No, but I believe that to be a false dichotomy as it is not necessary for anyone in America to starve to death. The Church does not consider nationality. Period. As Paul told the Colossians:
english.aljazeera.net/archive/2006/01/200849144911302572.htmlWhat invasion are you talking about? I think your paranoia has the better of you. Rhetoric does not make for good arguement. What you have been told by people in the Justice Department is irrelevant. We follow Jesus, not inuendo and prejudice. It is he that said, Do you really want to base the fate of your eternal soul on the opinon of bureaucrats?
No, but I believe that to be a false dichotomy as it is not necessary for anyone in America to starve to death. The Church does not consider nationality. Period. As Paul told the Colossians:
I am fine with that. This may be a shock to you, but I do not want your money. Some of you have such an axe to grind that you want to jump on this thread and make it into something it is not. This is not about what the government should do. Again,check the thread title. If you do not think the government should do squat, then fine. The federal government can’t find it’s own back side anyway. The question is what the Church should do.You are entitled to feed them with YOUR money but not with MINE. Where in the bible does Jesus tell anyone to steal from his fellow countrymen to feed illegal immigrants?
If al-jazeera says it, let those who are followers of al-jazeera believe it.
Profiling, then checking for birth certificates and identificationWell, there is a couple of reasons.
- there is no easy way to identify an illegal.
- If we “arrested” 25% of the illegals our immigration court would be backed up for 10 years.
- If we “closed” the borders, we could destablize our neighbors to the south.
What about your concerns as a Christian? Whom should Christians be concerned with?I am concerned about America…not Mexico. Any concern about Mexico is subordinate to the concern I have about the United States because I am an American.
Now that is a good answer!The first thing the Church should do is to STOP advocating in the political arena when it come to illegals, Feed them, clothe them, and the tell them to stop violating the laws.
You must be joking. Do you think that this story shouldn’t be trusted as the truth because one of the sources was al-jazeera? That story has been on AMERICAN sites too.If al-jazeera says it, let those who are followers of al-jazeera believe it.
Must the Vatican now clear all of its theology through Latin American terrorists?What about your concerns as a Christian? Whom should Christians be concerned with?
And it so saddens me that eventually, whenever we get a thread of this subject matter, that fellow Catholics are always accused of hatred of their neighbor if they are anti-illegal immigrant. That is simply not true and your words do nothing but inflame this issue.It saddens me to see so much hatred towards any kind of human there is. Especially from CAF members. I suspect that now that we are in, lets just close the borders all other human beings.
I disagree and think our own government has been the one to create this problem. When our own political leaders encourage and entice foreigners here with every freebie imaginable in direct opposition to the law of the land, and ICE is not allowed to do its job, then you know they have an agenda whether it is patently obvious or not. But the Church, apparently, is now embracing the ideology of the 1960’s, Latin-American style, favor-the-poor over everyone else which has actually been condemned by some of the social encyclicals. I hate to sound like a broken record, but we are now seeing the ill effects upon our own society of an illegal invasion (yes, it is an invasion and please don’t use the 12 million estimate which are the stats they have been using for years without ever increasing this figure.)The population of Latin America and the Carribean was 167,626,000 in 1950. Now in 2009 a doubling of that population would be normal, like in the United States. But instead of being 335,252,000, it is 557,979,000. That is 222,727,000 more than should exist. Why? Because Latin America has no idea of overpopulation and now they want America to be the “promised land” to dump their excess population.
Why do US citizens have to put up with a problem Latin America created?
On the small sidebar, illegals do not bankrupt education or health care. Those will always be with us. The standard of education and standard of care is what is jeopardized. I was a teacher before converting to law. I saw my class size grow from 20-24 students a class to 35-40 students a class. Teachers are a limited resource, students are not. Administrators around the country know they can’t add teachers so the teachers that are there have their workload increased. It moves from exellent care to triage care (and thats the case for healthcare too).Its not fair to bankrupt our school and health system and put up with the illegals’ crime just for political correctness.
Are we to assume, then, that you actually advocate a dissolution of America’s sovereign borders and/or national identity? Now that is definitely a political agenda and a leftist one at that!Praying for you brother mumbojumbo, hopefully one day soon you’ll have a change of heart and realize that we are all in this together. A world without end is a world without borders.
CC 2241: Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants’ duties toward their country of adoption.”
Yes. I do not trust them.You must be joking. Do you think that this story shouldn’t be trusted as the truth because one of the sources was al-jazeera?