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I’ll try and keep a close eye on her but it pains me greatly to see her like this
I can only imagine. You know, though, that if you had had a mental health problem, it would have been your mother’s work to take care of you even when you were very difficult to handle. I do not mean to glorify your mother, because maybe she has not seen to your needs, but to say what our duties are in our families, which is called “the domestic Church”. Your “nuclear parish” is your family. Although some families are toxic, we are required to live as Catholics wherever we find ourselves.

This is your mother, and your parent’s marriage is, in a manner of speaking, the “ordained hierarchy” of your domestic church, your “nuclear parish”. She’s not just a roommate that you can decide you’d like to replace. A marriage is more important in the eyes of God than the building of a church. If you push her out of your life and let the other woman take your mother’s place in your family, it would be worse than letting a Catholic church fall into disrepair so that it could be renovated and re-used as an illicit gambling hall. If this works out that your dad leaves your mother and marries this other woman, you may have to learn to live with it. It is not in your hands. You may not, however, ever let this other woman take the place of honor that belongs to your mother alone, and you may not fail to defend the sanctity of your parent’s marriage. Sometimes you’ll have to keep your mouth shut, but you cannot let your sentiments on this be swayed away from what is right, or give tacit approval to what is wrong because it makes life more comfortable in some way for you.
All I said was the ow is in closer contact with me regardless of my feelings
IOW, you are 16 years old and not exactly in control of where you live, who feeds you, and who your custodial parents decides to entertain in their home. I get that.

There is a degree to which you don’t have a place of power in this situation. You have no ability to make things happen and a limited ability to speak. Still, you are baptized in a home of the baptized, and you are old enough that you cannot remain silent. Consider, perhaps, reflecting on this passage of Scripture, when the Prophet Nathan stood up to King David:

The LORD sent Nathan to David, and when he came to him, he said: “Judge this case for me! In a certain town there were two men, one rich, the other poor. The rich man had flocks and herds in great numbers. But the poor man had nothing at all except one little ewe lamb that he had bought. He nourished her, and she grew up with him and his children. She shared the little food he had and drank from his cup and slept in his bosom. She was like a daughter to him. Now, the rich man received a visitor, but he would not take from his own flocks and herds to prepare a meal for the wayfarer who had come to him. Instead he took the poor man’s ewe lamb and made a meal of it for his visitor.” David grew very angry with that man and said to Nathan: “As the LORD lives, the man who has done this merits death! He shall restore the ewe lamb fourfold because he has done this and has had no pity.” Then Nathan said to David: “You are the man! Thus says the LORD God of Israel: ‘I anointed you king of Israel. I rescued you from the hand of Saul. I gave you your lord’s house and your lord’s wives for your own. I gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were not enough, I could count up for you still more. Why have you spurned the LORD and done evil in his sight? You have cut down Uriah the Hittite with the sword; you took his wife as your own, and him you killed with the sword of the Ammonites. Now, therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised me and have taken the wife of Uriah to be your wife.’ Thus says the LORD: ‘I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.’” 2 Sam. 11:1-12

Do you see that the Prophet Nathan did not have the power to undo what King David had done? Uriah the Hittite was dead, and King David did keep Bathsheba as his wife. After their first son died, Bathsheba had another son, whom David named Solomon, and of course that is the lineage from which God chose for Our Lord. Every child is beloved of God, even if the parents were in sin when the child was conceived.

It is not your work to undo what your dad is doing, it is not your work to heal your mother. It is your work as a Catholic, however, to refuse to be directly complicit in mortal sin, where it is in your power to refuse.

Do keep in touch with your pastor about this situation. I think he’ll be very valuable for you. Also talk to your aunt, and ask her to help you find someone professional to talk to. I think your aunt may prove to be a good advocate for you during this time when your parents may be too wrapped up in themselves to do what you need.

Sometimes, you will have to be grown-up enough to see where it will not help anyone for you to act like a brat towards your dad or the other woman. I get that. Still, I would not be too willing to give this other woman a comfort level, even though charity requires a certain level of kindness and patience with her. It is OK to occasionally tell the truth in a gentle but firm manner, “You need to stop pretending this is OK. You should not be doing this to my mother. It is wrong, you aren’t an exception to the rules, and all the feelings in the world don’t change that. Deep down, you know that. You are trying to commit a theft. Change your direction and do something you can be proud of. Let my dad and mom get worked out, one way or the other.”
 
It is OK to occasionally tell the truth in a gentle but firm manner, “You need to stop pretending this is OK. You should not be doing this to my mother. It is wrong, you aren’t an exception to the rules, and all the feelings in the world don’t change that. Deep down, you know that. You are trying to commit a theft. Change your direction and do something you can be proud of. Let my dad and mom get worked out, one way or the other.”
This could be aimed at both your father and his consort, actually. Whatever you do, don’t let them argue that “you don’t understand”. You do understand. They understand. They are also not powerless over their passion for each other. They each, individually, have the power to stop doing what they are doing to your mother. You can look them in the eye and tell them that. It is no disrespect of your father to say something like this, any more than the Prophet Nathan was showing disrespect to God’s anointed king to confront the king with his terrible sin.

If they will not listen, however, you do not have to harp on it endlessly, provided that you do not give approval to what they’re doing. You can love them–I mean the St. Paul definition: “Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, is not pompous, it is not inflated, it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury, it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.”

That little passage, actually, tells you what you need to know about handling this situation. Still, please get adult guidance. People who have been through it will tell you that it is nothing to go through alone. Believe them.
 
All I said was the ow is in closer contact with me regardless of my feelings
These are your feelings toward the ow.
Say my parents were to divorce and she was my step mom. Would it be sinful to love her back if she loved me?
And this is how you feel about your mother.
I kinda hate her
The ow is in closer contact with you because that’s what YOU want…and it’s wrong. You said in the OP that you were a “practicing Roman Catholic” who was “Baptised , had communion and confirmed” so your familiar with the Commandment that says Honor your Father and Mother. You haven’t done a very good job at honoring either of them, you seem more attached to this “ow”. You say your 16 and that’s old enough to know your breaking Gods Law. Get your butt back to your priest and confess and while your with him, have a proper talk about your “situation”. With the attitude you’ve show, I don’t think your gonna get much sympathy on this forum.
 
Oh, and if your still not convinced, here’s some advice** you** gave in a different thread!
You’re in my prayers!
Regarding the other girl confront him properly about him and demand that he cease contact with her. Remind that he’s committing adultery by doing so which is a mortal sin. Try and persuade him to go to church with you more often to prove your devotion to our Lord
How can you say something so wise over there and be so stupid here :confused:
 
These are your feelings toward the ow…

And this is how you feel about your mother…

The ow is in closer contact with you because that’s what YOU want…and it’s wrong. You said in the OP that you were a “practicing Roman Catholic” who was “Baptised , had communion and confirmed” so your familiar with the Commandment that says Honor your Father and Mother. You haven’t done a very good job at honoring either of them, you seem more attached to this “ow”. You say your 16 and that’s old enough to know your breaking Gods Law. Get your butt back to your priest and confess and while your with him, have a proper talk about your “situation”. With the attitude you’ve show, I don’t think your gonna get much sympathy on this forum.
Not necessarily. The OP has been in close contact with the other woman because she and the young man’s father have been attempting to cultivate a relationship between the young man and this other woman. They did it without admitting to him openly that they were having a sexual affair.

It is not as if he set the two of them up and encouraged them to do what they’re doing! They were pretending that this woman was merely a good friend of the father’s that this young man ought to also come to know and like. IOW…they duped him! When he became aware of the true nature situation, he was the one who got things in motion so his mother would be aware of what they were doing. He did not ask to be lured into this situation, and he is not the bad guy. He is hardly to be blamed for admitting that this other woman does more to be an agreeable force in his life than his mother does. For all we know, his mother (for reasons we cannot know or judge) may be ignoring this young man entirely, or may have only negative things to say to him, when she talks to him at all. He’d still be bound to be loyal to defense of her marriage, but let’s not blame him for saying that his mother has not made herself his most favorite confidant. For all we know, she might agree that she has not been the most agreeable person for anyone in her family to be around. We just don’t know.

If anything, he’s doing more for the cause of right than any of the adults with knowledge of the affair were doing. This, even though he has the least power to say who is going to do what, with whom, and where of anyone in the entire story. So let’s not crucify him for finding someone who’s obviously been trying hard to be likable more likable than a parent who might not have even been trying.

In the end, though, that he likes her is just as irrelevant as that his father likes her. His father is not married to her, and since she is a near occasion of mortal sin his father should break off all contact with her. The son ought to encourage him to do that. There is a limit, however, especially if the mother is not doing her part to give him alternatives, to how much this young man can control the amount of time he has contact with his dad’s consort. He’s only 16, and so in some cases he will be stuck with the company he is given.

It is a hard lesson, but sometimes encouraging the person we like to do the right thing is harder than giving advice to someone we don’t even know. It can cause conflict, but as you imply, it is more important to do the loving thing, the thing that will save souls from death, than to do the likable thing. That needs to be the take-home message.
 
Yet another thing we don’t know. Not sure how it is over the pond, but here, the mother gets custody of the child. I’m no expert but even a dumb old guy like me can see that if this is fact, an internet “psychologist” isn’t gonna help this young man. Advising him how he should act and respond is above my, and your pay grade. The best advice would be to stop giving it and advising him to seek it from someone closer to the problem. You say his priest gave good advise, others say no, I say it was generic feel good advice. Either way, if the priest should be more involved then we are, he can point the young man in the right direction.
 
Yet another thing we don’t know. Not sure how it is over the pond, but here, the mother gets custody of the child. I’m no expert but even a dumb old guy like me can see that if this is fact, an internet “psychologist” isn’t gonna help this young man. Advising him how he should act and respond is above my, and your pay grade. The best advice would be to stop giving it and advising him to seek it from someone closer to the problem. You say his priest gave good advise, others say no, I say it was generic feel good advice. Either way, if the priest should be more involved then we are, he can point the young man in the right direction.
Yes, well, if people will quit attacking him for staying with his father and seeing the people his father has in his house while his mother is not around to change things, then maybe I will. As it is, he is being attacked for liking someone he has been lured into liking before he knew the facts about what she was doing and at an age where his naivety could be taken advantage of. Did he say he had the option of being with his mom instead of with his dad? I don’t remember seeing that. I remember seeing that his mom left him at home to go stay with a friend of hers. I very much doubt that his mother would scold him for staying in his own home as you have.

IOW, please do not tell him “get your butt back to your priest and confess” because he is open enough to report feelings that are not, per se, sinful at all. Please do not tell him that he has failed in honoring his parents because he doesn’t like them. Honoring someone and liking them are not the same thing, as any priest could tell you. Talk about giving counsel that is “above pay grade”!
 
I guess you take this whole thing as real, EasterJoy?

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Well, I take them this way: Even when the OP is not telling the truth, as has happened here in the past, if he or she is describing something that might happen to someone who might really read this thread with a somewhat similar problem, I think it ought to be answered for the benefit of whoever is really in the situation. Maybe, for instance, this OP is in this situation and has a wonderful mother who has only been good to him. Well, maybe someone else in this position will be reading from a similar situation with a very different mom. So I throw in some stuff that fits both situations.

These threads stay here for a long time, and we never know who will read them. What a trickster might think is some kind of joke is someone else’s real life, and no joke at all. So as long as the question could reflect someone’s real life, I’m willing to give it a real answer. Besides, sometimes truth is stranger than truth, and when you’re in that situation it is very hard to go to anyone you really know and talk about it. You don’t need abuse from strangers on the internet. It seems enough to me to raise the possibility that the OP is pulling my leg, but then to give what I can on the chance that the OP is telling the truth. You just can’t really tell, after all. 🤷
 
Well, I take them this way: Even when the OP is not telling the truth, as has happened here in the past, if he or she is describing something that might happen to someone who might really read this thread with a somewhat similar problem, I think it ought to be answered for the benefit of whoever is really in the situation. Maybe, for instance, this OP is in this situation and has a wonderful mother who has only been good to him. Well, maybe someone else in this position will be reading from a similar situation with a very different mom. So I throw in some stuff that fits both situations.

These threads stay here for a long time, and we never know who will read them. What a trickster might think is some kind of joke is someone else’s real life, and no joke at all. So as long as the question could reflect someone’s real life, I’m willing to give it a real answer. Besides, sometimes truth is stranger than truth, and when you’re in that situation it is very hard to go to anyone you really know and talk about it. You don’t need abuse from strangers on the internet. It seems enough to me to raise the possibility that the OP is pulling my leg, but then to give what I can on the chance that the OP is telling the truth. You just can’t really tell, after all. 🤷
Your right, I should be more charitable and I’m sorry for that. However, you made almost an identical comment in another thread that had an interesting similarity to this one. It was deleted, probably because the moderator looks at more of these then we do and decided it would be more harm then help. I suspect that the same will happen here…I could be wrong.

Aside from the digs, my advice to get this problem in the hands of a professional stands…and a priest is a good place to start. I’ll leave the advice part to you and just follow because I’d like to see where this goes but you have to see that if this young man is for real, he needs more help then he’ll get here.

Even this sends a mixed message. His mother left but I didn’t see anything that says she doesn’t love him. There is just tooooo much we don’t know and are assuming.
It is a hard lesson, but sometimes encouraging the person we like to do the right thing is harder than giving advice to someone we don’t even know. It can cause conflict, but as you imply, it is more important to do the loving thing, the thing that will save souls from death, than to do the likable thing. That needs to be the take-home message
I’m not sure if this indicates he should seek his father or his mother.
 
Your right, I should be more charitable and I’m sorry for that. However, you made almost an identical comment in another thread that had an interesting similarity to this one. It was deleted, probably because the moderator looks at more of these then we do and decided it would be more harm then help. I suspect that the same will happen here…I could be wrong.

Aside from the digs, my advice to get this problem in the hands of a professional stands…and a priest is a good place to start. I’ll leave the advice part to you and just follow because I’d like to see where this goes but you have to see that if this young man is for real, he needs more help then he’ll get here.

Even this sends a mixed message. His mother left but I didn’t see anything that says she doesn’t love him. There is just tooooo much we don’t know and are assuming.
I’m not sure if this indicates he should seek his father or his mother.
I don’t think there is anything that says his mother doesn’t love him, but she seems to have gone into seclusion without inviting him. That is not an awful thing to have done; he’s not five. There is no reason to believe this will be a long-term situation, either. Still, it would be alarming for him in the short-term. I agree that he ought to lean on his pastor and his aunt, or some other adult
 
…I’m not sure if this indicates he should seek his father or his mother.
I meant that if he is left in his father’s keeping–it will be some time before this ever gets to the point of a court, and if things go well and a repentance and reconciliation happen, it won’t ever get there–he ought to be willing to keep the truth on the table with his father and the other woman, even if it would be more “pleasant” to let that dog lie there. I don’t mean badgering them; there is a point at which telling the truth over and over can actually harden someone against it.

As for custody, if he is given the choice he should choose what will keep him away from the other woman. Having done what she has done, she does not belong in his life. His father ought to cut her out entirely, and having a relationship between the son and the other woman will only make that harder on everyone. So when I talk about how to talk to her, I’m presuming that he’s having contact with her that was not his choice.
 
I meant that if he is left in his father’s keeping–it will be some time before this ever gets to the point of a court, and if things go well and a repentance and reconciliation happen, it won’t ever get there–he ought to be willing to keep the truth on the table with his father and the other woman, even if it would be more “pleasant” to let that dog lie there. I don’t mean badgering them; there is a point at which telling the truth over and over can actually harden someone against it.

As for custody, if he is given the choice he should choose what will keep him away from the other woman. Having done what she has done, she does not belong in his life. His father ought to cut her out entirely, and having a relationship between the son and the other woman will only make that harder on everyone. So when I talk about how to talk to her, I’m presuming that he’s having contact with her that was not his choice.
Some very in depth responses to some very short posts…just sayin’
 
In the UK, joint custody is the overwhelming norm. But moms almost always get physical custody.
Mostly they two divorcing parties will arrange what they want between themselves. The court hates deciding anything. Not property, not custody, not support.

A divorce can take several years if one of the parties refuses to respond. One party cannot divorce the other without the other party’s consent unless they have been separated for five years.
The final, final divorce, called the decree absolute will not be granted before two years of separation when the two parties are working together to make it happen.

Either party could keep the drama going for many years…
 
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