What Should We Do If Gay "Marriage" Becomes Legal?

[OCRT]

Gay marriage HAS become legal in 9 states and the District of Columbia.

It is expected that this number will increase at a quicker pace now.

It is further expected, from what I am reading that DOMA will be overturned by the US Supreme Court in their June decision and that Proposition 8 in California, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals decision affirming the overturning of that Prop will be either affirmed by direct US Supreme Court decision OR they will dismiss for lack of standing and in effect affirm exactly the same.

My sense is that the Court will overturn the decision of the 9th U.S. Court of Appeals decision in Prop 8. Then, in 2014, a new proposition will be voted upon in a referendum to repeal Prop 8. There is little doubt, with the support in California for marriage equality. The repeal would be successful.

 

[OCRT]

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I would suggest that we all hold a party and celebrate. A lot of civil rights enthusiasts, gays, lesbians, and bisexuals will have worked for years to achieve marriage equality.

When the law changes, as it did in Canada in mid-2005, then a whole bunch of loving, committed couples who really value marriage will be able to marry. They and their children will be given access to all of the state benefits, protections, and obligations of marriage. By that time, the federal defense of marriage act will be repealed or declared unconstitutional and so couples will have access to the 1,138 federal programs that opposite-sex couples have had for years.

The rate of casual sex in the homosexual community should decrease greatly. Gay spouses will live longer because they will look after each other’s health. It is a win-win situation for same-sex couples and for society.

People should celebrate, take the next day off to relax, and then start up the following day campaigning for equal rights for transgender persons and transsexuals.:

 

[Aluap]

I think what is really scary is when we are saying that “gay marriage doesn’t really affect me.” When it just becomes part of our lives, a “normal” way of being, when we accept it, or don’t even “see” it any more as something different, then we not only don’t believe it is wrong, we start believing it is the same as traditional marriage, as good as traditional marriage, or better than traditional marriage (by traditional I mean between a man and a woman, and already I am explaining what I mean in case someone doesn’t know.) This in turn can lead to acceptance of other immoral acts to the point where we can’t distinguish between right and wrong any more. Our government has decided that it is okay to kill unborn children. God hasn’t changed His commandment to my knowledge, but if the government says it’s okay, then it must be. And it becomes our way of life, without a second thought. There is a movement out there to legitimize pedophilia and to make it okay for children age 10-16 to have sex with adults. How much can we “normalize” or accept because it “doesn’t affect us”? There is none so blind as he who would not see…:bigyikes:

 

[JimG]

I think what is really scary is when we are saying that “gay marriage doesn’t really affect me.” When it just becomes part of our lives, a “normal” way of being, when we accept it, or don’t even “see” it any more as something different, then we not only don’t believe it is wrong, we start believing it is the same as traditional marriage, as good as traditional marriage, or better than traditional marriage (by traditional I mean between a man and a woman, and already I am explaining what I mean in case someone doesn’t know.) This in turn can lead to acceptance of other immoral acts to the point where we can’t distinguish between right and wrong any more. Our government has decided that it is okay to kill unborn children. God hasn’t changed His commandment to my knowledge, but if the government says it’s okay, then it must be. And it becomes our way of life, without a second thought. There is a movement out there to legitimize pedophilia and to make it okay for children age 10-16 to have sex with adults. How much can we “normalize” or accept because it “doesn’t affect us”? There is none so blind as he who would not see…:bigyikes:

It’s true that acceptance of same sex marriage renders marriage ultimately meaningless, lacking even the essential character of sexual complementarity.

But that suctioning of the meaning out of marriage didn’t just begin with the push for gay marriage. It began with the general acceptance of contraception, de-linking marriage from children, de-linking children from families, de-linking sex from procreation. That led to increased promiscuity, out of wedlock births, fatherless kids, broken families. Gay marriage is another step in the dissolution of marriage and family.

You might say the process began with the Lambeth Conference of 1930, in which for the first time in Christian history, a Christian denomination accepted artificial contraception for ‘grave reasons” for married couples.’ Marriage and family have been endangered and attacked institutions ever since.

 

[Rosebud77]

We are facing this and legalised abortion here in Ireland. One dimension here is that the Church has lost all public trust and credibility and authority because of the child abuse decades so many are joining the gay bandwagon as an expression of this.

Ireland will never be the same again now; sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind.

 

[Fairwinds]

…God hasn’t changed His commandment to my knowledge, but if the government says it’s okay, then it must be. …

there’s so much wrong with this statement. except when choir preaching or soapboxing, does anyone actually believe the government legislates morality? does anyone look to the government for moral guidance?

 

[DeaconPaulY]

the whole subject of homosexuality is problematic for a number of reasons but gay marriage is particularly evil for at least two reasons. First, it is an assault on the Sacrament of Marriage which should be defended in the same ways that we would fight any heresy. Secondly, it validates the homosexual argument that gays can raise children as validly as a heterosexual couple. We should pray for them, respectfully stand up to them, and always speak the truth. Peace and Blessings, Deacon Paul

 

[Rosebud77]

forums.catholic-questions.org/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

I would suggest that we all hold a party and celebrate. A lot of civil rights enthusiasts, gays, lesbians, and bisexuals will have worked for years to achieve marriage equality.

When the law changes, as it did in Canada in mid-2005, then a whole bunch of loving, committed couples who really value marriage will be able to marry. They and their children will be given access to all of the state benefits, protections, and obligations of marriage. By that time, the federal defense of marriage act will be repealed or declared unconstitutional and so couples will have access to the 1,138 federal programs that opposite-sex couples have had for years.

The rate of casual sex in the homosexual community should decrease greatly. Gay spouses will live longer because they will look after each other’s health. It is a win-win situation for same-sex couples and for society.

People should celebrate, take the next day off to relax, and then start up the following day campaigning for equal rights for transgender persons and transsexuals.:

v

Such a utopia cosy happy ever after scenario,Omitting the high “divorce” rate already seen among gay couples…

Paul says that where there is no law there is no sin’; where there is no belief in God that applies too; ie that no sin is perceived
I am old and I have lost count of the number of times someone I thought a friend suddenly realised what my beliefs and faith meant re marriage etc, In every case the gay person has refused to stay friends has actually attacked me in various ways,

the few times the person has not asked, ie then they are Catholic, no problem with friendship.

For most of us the problem is their intolerance of our faith…

So I say, I will care for you be your friend, support you but I will not wave the flag for something that goes against the laws of God… never had that accepted yet.

It is this forcing their ways on us. True intolerance,

No gain for society for there is no true health where this is allowed.

 

[rausei]

Well my guess is that once it is a federal law, the government will force the Church to start performing gay marriages. If they choose not to the government will have the lapdog media and the IRS go after the Church. If you don’t think the government would be willing to try, what is the difference between forcing the Church to perform gay marriages and forcing the Church to provide birth control and abortion pills? This is why I think the Church was crazy not to just come out and say, “If you vote for obama then you will be excommunicated.” I would have voluteered to pay extra to cover some of the taxes if they actually tried to remove the tax free status. Also, if the Pope (in Italy) said that voting for obama was sinful and that Catholics who vote for him carry mortal sin for voting in the most liberal, pro-abortion president ever, how could the us government punish the Church in America for something that was said in Italy?

 

[fix]

I think what is really scary is when we are saying that “gay marriage doesn’t really affect me.” When it just becomes part of our lives, a “normal” way of being, when we accept it, or don’t even “see” it any more as something different, then we not only don’t believe it is wrong, we start believing it is the same as traditional marriage, as good as traditional marriage, or better than traditional marriage (by traditional I mean between a man and a woman, and already I am explaining what I mean in case someone doesn’t know.) This in turn can lead to acceptance of other immoral acts to the point where we can’t distinguish between right and wrong any more. Our government has decided that it is okay to kill unborn children. God hasn’t changed His commandment to my knowledge, but if the government says it’s okay, then it must be. And it becomes our way of life, without a second thought. There is a movement out there to legitimize pedophilia and to make it okay for children age 10-16 to have sex with adults. How much can we “normalize” or accept because it “doesn’t affect us”? There is none so blind as he who would not see…:bigyikes:

Yes, unprincipled people find no distress in grave evil. They are basically materialists and relativists, Unless someone is burning their house down they think all is well.

 

[fix]

there’s so much wrong with this statement. except when choir preaching or soapboxing, does anyone actually believe the government legislates morality? does anyone look to the government for moral guidance?

Sure people do. They may deny that or not understand it but they certainly form their consciences by civil law for good or for evil.

 

[demol]

I think what is really scary is when we are saying that “gay marriage doesn’t really affect me.” When it just becomes part of our lives, a “normal” way of being, when we accept it, or don’t even “see” it any more as something different, then we not only don’t believe it is wrong, we start believing it is the same as traditional marriage, as good as traditional marriage, or better than traditional marriage (by traditional I mean between a man and a woman, and already I am explaining what I mean in case someone doesn’t know.) This in turn can lead to acceptance of other immoral acts to the point where we can’t distinguish between right and wrong any more. Our government has decided that it is okay to kill unborn children. God hasn’t changed His commandment to my knowledge, but if the government says it’s okay, then it must be. And it becomes our way of life, without a second thought. There is a movement out there to legitimize pedophilia and to make it okay for children age 10-16 to have sex with adults. How much can we “normalize” or accept because it “doesn’t affect us”? There is none so blind as he who would not see…:bigyikes:

What is so great about traditional marriage? Have you seen the divorce rates? Why aren’t you out here pushing for a ban on divorce - easily the most serious threat to traditional marriage. And SSM affects you how? Please explain in detail. What has happened to your own marriage as a result? To compare marriage between two consenting adults and “pedophilia and to make it okay for children age 10-16 to have sex with adults” is ludicrous. Stating that “There is a movement out there to legitimize pedophilia” is really sad - when you are basing your arguments on Rush Limbaugh’s comments…
And the government is separate from church. It does not matter that God has not changed His commandment. Our founding fathers created the separation of church and state.

 

[fix]

What is so great about traditional marriage? Have you seen the divorce rates? Why aren’t you out here pushing for a ban on divorce - easily the most serious threat to traditional marriage. And SSM affects you how? Please explain in detail. What has happened to your own marriage as a result? To compare marriage between two consenting adults and “pedophilia and to make it okay for children age 10-16 to have sex with adults” is ludicrous. Stating that “There is a movement out there to legitimize pedophilia” is really sad - when you are basing your arguments on Rush Limbaugh’s comments…
And the government is separate from church. It does not matter that God has not changed His commandment. Our founding fathers created the separation of church and state.

To compare marriage with homosexuals pairings is ludicrous.

 

[demol]

To compare marriage with homosexuals pairings is ludicrous.

You can keep saying it is wrong, ludicrous or whatever but doesn’t make your point valid. You haven’t told me why. So why/how exactly is it ludicrous? When 50% of traditional marriages end in divorce it clearly proves that heterosexuals aren’t doing so well with it.

 

[demol]

v

Such a utopia cosy happy ever after scenario,Omitting the high “divorce” rate already seen among gay couples…

Paul says that where there is no law there is no sin’; where there is no belief in God that applies too; ie that no sin is perceived
I am old and I have lost count of the number of times someone I thought a friend suddenly realised what my beliefs and faith meant re marriage etc, In every case the gay person has refused to stay friends has actually attacked me in various ways,

the few times the person has not asked, ie then they are Catholic, no problem with friendship.

For most of us the problem is their intolerance of our faith…

So I say, I will care for you be your friend, support you but I will not wave the flag for something that goes against the laws of God… never had that accepted yet.

It is this forcing their ways on us. True intolerance,

No gain for society for there is no true health where this is allowed.

No, it’s your intolerance of their lifestyle. They’re not judging you on yours. They’re not trying to deny you your rights. Quit portraying yourself as the victim here. Just what are you losing?

 

[fix]

You can keep saying it is wrong, ludicrous or whatever but doesn’t make your point valid. You haven’t told me why. So why/how exactly is it ludicrous? When 50% of traditional marriages end in divorce it clearly proves that heterosexuals aren’t doing so well with it.

They have nothing in common. One is a natural institution and one is a contrived modern notion that wants to mimic true marriage. One is authentic and one is inauthentic.

That authentic marriage has problems is nothing new. We live in a fallen world. The solution to divorce is not “gay” faux unions.

 

[demol]

They have nothing in common. One is a natural institution and one is a contrived modern notion that wants to mimic true marriage. One is authentic and one is inauthentic.

That authentic marriage has problems is nothing new. We live in a fallen world. The solution to divorce is not “gay” faux unions.

Nothing in common? So two people that love each other and enter into a committed relationship is different how, exactly, from traditional marriage? True, authentic marriage? What makes traditional marriage true and authentic?

And you’re right, the solution to divorce is not gay unions. Apples and oranges. Not sure how you inferred that SSM was my solution to divorce. My point is that the church has enough problems with traditional marriage and would be better served trying to solve that issue instead of tackling SSM.

 

[fix]

Nothing in common? So two people that love each other and enter into a committed relationship is different how, exactly, from traditional marriage? True, authentic marriage? What makes traditional marriage true and authentic?

What is common sense now needs explanation? Simply calling out “love” is not evidence of marriage. Can a father and son marry because they love each other? Marriage involves a male and female. That is by design.

And you’re right, the solution to divorce is not gay unions. Apples and oranges. Not sure how you inferred that SSM was my solution to divorce. My point is that the church has enough problems with traditional marriage and would be better served trying to solve that issue instead of tackling SSM.

No, that is not accurate. The Church needs to defend the truth. It is not a zero sum game where we have to only focus on one thing at a time. The truth is no marriage can ever exist between same sex persons.

 

[demol]

What is common sense now needs explanation? Simply calling out “love” is not evidence of marriage. Can a father and son marry because they love each other? Marriage involves a male and female. That is by design.

No, that is not accurate. The Church needs to defend the truth. It is not a zero sum game where we have to only focus on one thing at a time. The truth is no marriage can ever exist between same sex persons.

So, a woman that is unable to conceive would fall into what category? A man that is sterile?

 

[fix]

So, a woman that is unable to conceive would fall into what category? A man that is sterile?

How is that relevant?

You surely would not dare compare a heterosexual woman with two men acting like husband and wife? They are unequal items.