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benidict
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really?:extrahappy: im on my way! have one here in hawaii!
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Janet1983
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I would do exactly the same. I tend to check back with the Hebrew and the Greek and it is hard for me to understand the ignorance that drives someone to saying that a discerning reader would go directly to hell.
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
In Him,
Janet
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Reuben_J
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I would not use the word derogatory though. Maybe itās good to note that for the most part Catholics here have asked to keep the Bible or donate it to appropriate people. None have belittled or disparaged it though I cannot say for the Protestants had it been a Catholic Bible.
Anyway KJV is not officially accepted as a genuine translation for Catholic Bible that can be used in teaching or liturgy because it does not reflect Catholic teaching on some issues.
Some example of the versus that may be of interest:
LK 1:28. Mary as the highly favoured verses DRB as full of grace.
**KJV
Lk1 28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
Dhouay-Rhiems
Lk1 28 And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29 Who having heard, was troubled at his saying, and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be. 30 And the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.**
Jn 3:16. KJV usage of should (not perish) versus DRB may (not perish)
**KJV
Jn 3 :16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Dhouay-Rhiems
Jn3:16 For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting
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However, I like its translantion of Mt 16:18
**KJV
Mt 16 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Dhouay-Rhiems
Mt 16 17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
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Janet1983
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Well let me add something I found on www.vatican.va
New American Bible
Lk 1 28 And coming to her, he said, āHail, favored one! The Lord is with you.ā 29 But she was greatly troubled at what was said and pondered what sort of greeting this might be. 30 Then the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.
I really would not hold that against the KJV as all those Catholics who do use the translation given on the Vaticanās homepage have that kind of a translation too.
Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that you may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.
In Him,
Janet
PS: Where did the āblessed art thou among womenā part vanish to between the DR and the NAB from vatican.va?
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benidict
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as usualā¦ niiiiiice!
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benidict
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hi my friend. just a clarification. did you want him to give his thoughts on the palistinian cannon or the alexandrian cannon which was also known as the septuigent? the alexandrian cannon did have the deutrocannonical books in it. just a clarification. thx. and peace be to you.
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benidict
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hello my friend. the king james is a beautifully written, and very readable text. but even according to protestant pastors in the late 1800s to the early 1900s it has at least several thousand errors in it. not a very good translation. also the duay rheims is based of the vulgate which is translated fromt the earliest writings available. writings the kjv scholars had no access to. st. jerome had access to manuscripts that predate the earliest that the protestants used. so i think ill trust the Catholic Church on this one, and use the english translations they provide. much more accurate. but i will read the kjv, simply for the enjoyment of the language and the way its used. peace be to you.
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Reuben_J
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The NAB, which is being used in the US only for liturgy, is being reviewed and a new edition will come out soon that would have the blessing of the Vatican.
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John_oxios
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]really?:extrahappy: im on my way! have one here in hawaii!
Just in case they donāt have it in stock , I donāt want to sink your boat:
amazon.com/dp/0192835254/ref%3Dasc_df_0192835254960299/%3Ftag%3Daskcomel-20%26creative%3D380333%26creativeASIN%3D0192835254%26linkCode%3Dasn
My brother was in the airforce out there ten yrs. my sister retired airforce, now consultant for airforce govāt contracting, is there with her boyfriend, heās in the Navy
Enjoy the KJV w/ apocrypha:extrahappy:
God Bless,
john
Just in case they donāt have it in stock , I donāt want to sink your boat:
amazon.com/dp/0192835254/ref%3Dasc_df_0192835254960299/%3Ftag%3Daskcomel-20%26creative%3D380333%26creativeASIN%3D0192835254%26linkCode%3Dasn
My brother was in the airforce out there ten yrs. my sister retired airforce, now consultant for airforce govāt contracting, is there with her boyfriend, heās in the Navy
Enjoy the KJV w/ apocrypha:extrahappy:
God Bless,
john
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John_oxios
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I once presented that to a priest who taught @ St johnās University, he stated they used āHighly favored oneā for use of the vernacular (using plain, everyday, ordinary language) for a reader what is grace?
I didnāt like it either. āfull of Graceā means whats full canāt be filled more.
highly favored one, does quite fill the bill.
God bless,
johnnie O
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Reuben_J
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Hi. I agree with you. Have no problem with this translation as long as we know what it means. Of course the classic āfull of graceā does fit the bill, so to speak. And besides, we say this prayer all the times, which is Biblical, and so naturally one would like to find it in the translation as well when one open the Bible.
God bless.
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tweetymom
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Hey me too, it is my favorite.
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Anna_Scott
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The KJV has a very interesting variant in Isaiah 14:12 regarding the word lucifer:
Isaiah 14:12 (King James Version): 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
**This passage in Isaiah 14:12 became a āproof textā for Protestants for the fall of Satan.
However, today, one would have difficulty finding the word lucifer in an English Bible translation, because the word lucifer is a Latin word.
Most Bible dictionaries no longer connect lucifer with Satan.
The word lucifer quietly vanished from the pages of Scripture; and the connection to Satan quietly vanished from Christian dictionaries.
The Latin word lucifer is actually a ācarryoverā from the Latin Vulgate, which contains the word in 3 passages, including a passage that refers to Christ (2 Peter: 1:19.)**
Isaiah 14:12 (Latin Vulgate): quomodo cecidisti de caelo lucifer qui mane oriebaris corruisti in terram qui vulnerabas gentes.
Job 11:17 (Latin Vulgate): et quasi meridianus fulgor consurget tibi ad vesperam et cum te consumptum putaveris orieris ut lucifer.
2 Peter 1:19 (Latin Vulgate): et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem cui bene facitis adtendentes quasi lucernae lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies inlucescat et **lucifer **oriatur in cordibus vestris.
**The Douay-Rheims retained the word lucifer in only one of the 3 passages: Isaiah 14:12.
However, In Job 11:17 and 2 Peter 1:19, lucifer was translated as day star.
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Isaiah 14:12 (Douay-Rheims): How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning? how art thou fallen to the earth, that didst wound the nations?
Job 11:17 (Douay-Rheims): And brightness like that of the noonday, shall arise to thee at evening: and when thou shalt think thyself consumed, thou shalt rise as the day star.
2 Peter 1:19 (Douay-Rheims): And we have the more firm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn and the day star arise in your hearts.
**It is interesting to note that there was actually a bishop named Lucifer, known as Lucifer of Cagliari. He was born in the early part of the 4th century and died in 371 A.D. I doubt he would have been named Lucifer, if Lucifer was known to mean āSatan,ā at that point in history.
The word** lucifer **is found in the Darby Translation:
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Isaiah 14:12 (Darby Translation): 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, Lucifer, son of the morning! Thou art cut down to the ground, that didst prostrate the nations!
However, the word lucifer is nowhere to be found in the following Bible translations, used primarily by Protestants:
New International Version
New International Version - UK
New American Standard Bible
New Living Translation
English Standard Version
Contemporary English Version
New Century Version
American Standard Version
Youngās Literal Translation
Holman Christian Standard Bible
**It is actually quite amazing how one word could alter the course of Christian beliefs regarding the identity and fall of Satan.
Anna**
Isaiah 14:12 (King James Version): 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
**This passage in Isaiah 14:12 became a āproof textā for Protestants for the fall of Satan.
However, today, one would have difficulty finding the word lucifer in an English Bible translation, because the word lucifer is a Latin word.
Most Bible dictionaries no longer connect lucifer with Satan.
The word lucifer quietly vanished from the pages of Scripture; and the connection to Satan quietly vanished from Christian dictionaries.
The Latin word lucifer is actually a ācarryoverā from the Latin Vulgate, which contains the word in 3 passages, including a passage that refers to Christ (2 Peter: 1:19.)**
Isaiah 14:12 (Latin Vulgate): quomodo cecidisti de caelo lucifer qui mane oriebaris corruisti in terram qui vulnerabas gentes.
Job 11:17 (Latin Vulgate): et quasi meridianus fulgor consurget tibi ad vesperam et cum te consumptum putaveris orieris ut lucifer.
2 Peter 1:19 (Latin Vulgate): et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem cui bene facitis adtendentes quasi lucernae lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies inlucescat et **lucifer **oriatur in cordibus vestris.
**The Douay-Rheims retained the word lucifer in only one of the 3 passages: Isaiah 14:12.
However, In Job 11:17 and 2 Peter 1:19, lucifer was translated as day star.
**
Isaiah 14:12 (Douay-Rheims): How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning? how art thou fallen to the earth, that didst wound the nations?
Job 11:17 (Douay-Rheims): And brightness like that of the noonday, shall arise to thee at evening: and when thou shalt think thyself consumed, thou shalt rise as the day star.
2 Peter 1:19 (Douay-Rheims): And we have the more firm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn and the day star arise in your hearts.
**It is interesting to note that there was actually a bishop named Lucifer, known as Lucifer of Cagliari. He was born in the early part of the 4th century and died in 371 A.D. I doubt he would have been named Lucifer, if Lucifer was known to mean āSatan,ā at that point in history.
The word** lucifer **is found in the Darby Translation:
**
Isaiah 14:12 (Darby Translation): 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, Lucifer, son of the morning! Thou art cut down to the ground, that didst prostrate the nations!
However, the word lucifer is nowhere to be found in the following Bible translations, used primarily by Protestants:
New International Version
New International Version - UK
New American Standard Bible
New Living Translation
English Standard Version
Contemporary English Version
New Century Version
American Standard Version
Youngās Literal Translation
Holman Christian Standard Bible
**It is actually quite amazing how one word could alter the course of Christian beliefs regarding the identity and fall of Satan.
Anna**
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Justy90
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AMEN!
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Justy90
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I normally read from the NIV or the ESV with the Apocrypha and my church uses the NRSV with Apocrypha, but I would take a King James Version as well. After all, it hasnāt been revised as many times as the Douay Rheims version!
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John_oxios
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The KJV hasnāt been revised as much as the Douay Rhiems? there was a Verion of the KJV called the evil Bible because of all the misplaced word and, miss spellings, and typos.I normally read from the NIV or the ESV with the Apocrypha and my church uses the NRSV with Apocrypha, but I would take a King James Version as well. After all, it hasnāt been revised as many times as the Douay Rheims version!
it tok til 1789 Cambridge edition to get the one they use today, and then not until the NKJV has the KJV finally had most the most needed corrections.
NIV is the worst it was translated in that it used the English words as acceptable for all english speaking countries which means it sacrificed meaning for an more acceptable word, i.e. it is watered down. They make a descent Study Bible with good commentary, but I donāt use it for biblical verse references.
I do use a NRSV 'Annotated Study Bible, with apocrypha, Oxford, Univ. Press when attending Bible studies of other faiths, (I also carry around about forty to fifty pounds of other bibles and reference books)
Theyāll accept it,w hen Iām reading allowed from it, But I like to use the RSV for quoting, but ya just canāt get a good RSV study Bible these days. Harper Collins also makes a good NRSV study Bible. But todayās favorite? Oxford Univ. Press: āThe Catholic Study Bibleā (NAB) second edition, 2005, and i also now carry a catechism of the Catholic Church, I find the two go hand in hand for biblical insight.
God Bless,
John
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Anna_Scott
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Iāve been wanting to buy a good Catholic Study Bible. Sounds like the NAB is the best?The KJV hasnāt been revised as much as the Douay Rhiems? there was a Verion of the KJV called the evil Bible because of all the misplaced word and, miss spellings, and typos.
it tok til 1789 Cambridge edition to get the one they use today, and then not until the NKJV has the KJV finally had most the most needed corrections.
NIV is the worst it was translated in that it used the English words as acceptable for all english speaking countries which means it sacrificed meaning for an more acceptable word, i.e. it is watered down. They make a descent Study Bible with good commentary, but I donāt use it for biblical verse references.
I do use a NRSV 'Annotated Study Bible, with apocrypha, Oxford, Univ. Press when attending Bible studies of other faiths, (I also carry around about forty to fifty pounds of other bibles and reference books)
Theyāll accept it,w hen Iām reading allowed from it, But I like to use the RSV for quoting, but ya just canāt get a good RSV study Bible these days. Harper Collins also makes a good NRSV study Bible. But todayās favorite? Oxford Univ. Press: āThe Catholic Study Bibleā (NAB) second edition, 2005, and i also now carry a catechism of the Catholic Church, I find the two go hand in hand for biblical insight.
God Bless,
John
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osddso
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everybody braggs that the KJV is the most sold bible of all time, its so beautiful, if you love literature you cant live without thisā¦
when i read some of it, it was written beautifully. but i wondered how much of the beautiful choice of words were really accurate to the original writings. if a word in greek meant āspread joyā but they wrote ābenevolenceā instead because of its beauty, that kind of takes on a different meaning.
the KJV has become more of a novel than a bible to me. while it is beautiful written, thats all its praised for. never have i heard of a bible that was praised more for how its written then what it is actually about (the Word of God)
when i read some of it, it was written beautifully. but i wondered how much of the beautiful choice of words were really accurate to the original writings. if a word in greek meant āspread joyā but they wrote ābenevolenceā instead because of its beauty, that kind of takes on a different meaning.
the KJV has become more of a novel than a bible to me. while it is beautiful written, thats all its praised for. never have i heard of a bible that was praised more for how its written then what it is actually about (the Word of God)
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crazzeto
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Anna,
I would recommend this bible as your study bible:
inhisname.com/product.php?product=42012
Where ever you can find it, that particular store is local to me. If you used the KJV in the past, this will be familiar and welcoming to you as the KJV is based (in part) upon the work done for the Douay version of the Bible.
Additionally the Rev Haydockās notes are extensive and pretty completely including references to the fathers. More over it has part of the Council of Trent included, Catholic Bible Dictionary (abbriviated), and history of the Gosple. Itās probably one of the best study bibles you can find out side of a dedicated study bible (which usually is seperated by book of the bible, or at best NT v OT).
The NAB is a good bible to have around, as itās used in the mass. Some translations have inclusive language, and Iāve heard many a complaint regarding the notes found in that translation.
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Anna_Scott
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Appreciate the advice. I donāt use the KJV in study. It does have many flaws. I prefer the ESV or NAB, but I have many translations.
I have the Catholic Comparative New Testament. I was looking for a good Catholic Study Bible. I like the idea of references to the ECFās. I may buy the Catechism, as well.
Thanks for your help,
Anna
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