What wage is just?

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Whatever is agreeable to employer and employee is just. Artificially imposed “minimums” cause unemployment and have become part of the neo-socialist wealth redistribution plan. Seattle’s utopians have decided that $15/hour is “fair” - never mind that less are actually hired.

Such socialistic ideas fail each time they are tried.
 
If there were no national minimum wage, some people would try to hire folks to work for less than $5 an hour.
By the way, what is this so-called neo-socialist redistribution plan you speak of? Another conspiracy theory? Or just regular Fox News programming? 😂🤣
 
FYI – Unemployment is not caused by minimum wages. Unemployment comes from a lack of jobs. Check out the Great Depression.
 
There are places where 15.00 an hour would be of scant help, and others where that wage would be a hard burden for a small business. This is way a federal minimum is difficult, but we should still have one to keep the predatory types from getting out of control. At least raise the minimum wage to something like 10.00 an hour.
 
Exactly. And when you keep increasing the minimum wage, you put small businesses out if business.

No businesses, no jobs. And considering around 75% of the job makers in the US are small businesses, the more burden you put on them, the less jobs, and less tax revenue you will have. It’s all pretty simple economics.
 
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Unemployment comes from a lack of jobs.
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This is as unhelpful as saying that “famine comes from lack of food.”

There’s not just a big ol’ mine where we can stick a big drill in the ground and pull up a bunch of jobs. There’s not a fixed number of them. And the labor market is subject to the same economic forces as other markets – increased prices (whether in the form of higher wages or higher costs of employment in other forms) increase supply and decrease demand (which increases unemployment), while decreased prices decrease supply and increase demand (which decreases unemployment).
 
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po18guy said:
Artificially imposed “minimums” cause unemployment and have become part of the neo-socialist wealth redistribution plan. Seattle’s utopians have decided that $15/hour is “fair” - never mind that less are actually hired.
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Really? We have a much higher minimim wage in Australia and don’t have particularly high unemployment. But then I live in a nation where homelessness is rare and people don’t have to work two jobs just to pay rent.

And it is not socialism. It’s creating fair conditions for staff.
 
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If there were no national minimum wage, some people would try to hire folks to work for less than $5 an hour.
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If the agreed upon wage is less than $5, what is the problem?
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Apparently $0 is preferable to $5, thus the ban on working for $5.
 
Here in America we like to denounce countries that provide living wages to their people as “socialist”. Can’t afford rent? Get a second job! Still can’t afford rent with that second job? Move into a poorer community. Still can’t make ends meet? Well, should have gone to college. Can’t afford college? Go to tradeschool. We don’t want to pay you living wages for anything deemed “less than”, and we don’t want to provide you assistance when you simply can’t survive. Poverty here is seen as a just punishment for whatever the sufferer has done wrong or failed to do. We are unique in that we tear apart anyone who would try to cap the profits of the wealthy in an attempt to boost up society as a whole.
 
Really? Probably the fact that worker will need a second job to survive. Which takes time away from their families. Which may result in delinquent kids which you see often unfortunately. We also know when people feel they are slaves to their environment their chances of drug taking/risk taking behaviours increases. It’s got something to do with a feeling of little control over their lives.

Rising wages for a livable lifestyle (not luxurious just enough to be able to live simply) would be so much better for families and society as a whole. Business that are paying their workers $5 an hour are being unethical as it is and they know it. USA is not a third world country, there should be laws to protect the less educated/able/fortunate.

I’m surprised any catholic would argue otherwise to be honest. They are asking for minimum wage. Nothing extravagant.
 
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The church is clear on what is a just wage. A just wage for a 15 year old summer job might by 5/bucks an hour. A just wage for a man or woman providing for a family of 4 would be at least 25 dollars an hour in most areas of the US at this point in time. Not that the church sets these levels, but the priciples she gives us would likely lead one to something approximateing these amounts.
 
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The fact that someone may be desperate enough to work for such low wages does not make it ethical. If I had no other choice, sure, I’d work for $5! Others, desperate enough, might resort to working in prostitution etc, just to make ends meet. The fact that two people agree on something does not make it ethical. Those who abuse that system need governance. A true barometer of civilization is how it cares for and treats it’s most vulnerable.
 
Just because you don’t understand basic economics does not equal a conspiracy theory. Read the news. Even your left media can’t hide the fact that the $15 minimum wage cities are losing jobs and getting replaced by robots. If you don’t have the skills or experience to be WORTH $15 to an employer then why do you think you deserve it?
 
A worker has to be paid according to the value of his work. For the past fity years the wages have been static, growing only with inflation. This means the rich are stealing the value of the laborers.

This can only go on for so long until the workers realize that they’re being fooled and revolt against it.
 
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Just because you don’t understand basic economics does not equal a conspiracy theory. Read the news. Even your left media can’t hide the fact that the $15 minimum wage cities are losing jobs and getting replaced by robots. If you don’t have the skills or experience to be WORTH $15 to an employer then why do you think you deserve it?
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I keep forgetting that this is an American Catholic forum, and not a worldwide forum.
 
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