What wage is just?

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Yes, we should buy local when we can, but we as a country shouldn’t tolerate American companies exporting their jobs overseas in places where people are hardly paid anything and conditions are horrible. I would rather pay more money for items and own less than have a bunch of cheap junk, personally.
 
Yes, we should buy local when we can, but we as a country shouldn’t tolerate American companies exporting their jobs overseas in places where people are hardly paid anything and conditions are horrible. I would rather pay more money for items and own less than have a bunch of cheap junk, personally.
So you want to ban international trade, at least until they can pay US wages?

That approach flies in the face of every mainstream theory of economic development for the 3rd world.
 
RuthAnne you are sounding very privileged.

It is pretty easy to avoid wanting to acknowledge that big companies absolutely take advantage of poor comminities. But let’s be real here. Of course out of desperation someone will take a job for little money over nothing. The company knows this and takes full advantage of it. Let’s not pretend that Bill Gates created lovely factories with clean and safe conditions for his products. He would not have become the billionaire he did without using this to his advantage.
 
My husband works and makes as much as he can to our advantage. Does that make him evil?
 
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Are you ir he exploiting poor desperate people around you?

My husband and also work fulltime. But we have a cleaner and pay her a very fair wage. We also ensure the conditions she works in are nice.
 
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You were the one claiming they did not earn all of their money.
I am just curious which dollars they did not earn.
If you cannot back your assertion with evidence, then you are committing calumny.
 
RuthAnne you are sounding very privileged.

It is pretty easy to avoid wanting to acknowledge that big companies absolutely take advantage of poor comminities. But let’s be real here. Of course out of desperation someone will take a job for little money over nothing. The company knows this and takes full advantage of it. Let’s not pretend that Bill Gates created lovely factories with clean and safe conditions for his products. He would not have become the billionaire he did without using this to his advantage.
ROFL,

Bill’s ‘factory’ was located in Seattle Washington.
Microsoft doesn’t make their money on physical products, though they have moved to outsource their development work to cheaper locations. Foreign developers are well paid by their local standards, it just seems like slave wages to the US displaced worker.
 
Many of the conditions people work in, in second and third world countries, aren’t good. And it’s not just that the economy is lower so they can be paid lower. They aren’t paid enough to live on even by their country’s standards many times. So they end up working many more hours than people work here in order to make ends meet.
 
Many of the conditions people work in, in second and third world countries, aren’t good. And it’s not just that the economy is lower so they can be paid lower. They aren’t paid enough to live on even by their country’s standards many times. So they end up working many more hours than people work here in order to make ends meet.
I suspect you have limited experience in these locations.

Usually working for the foreign employer is a very sought after job in these countries, because the wages and conditions are better than the alternatives.
 
So you want to ban international trade, at least until they can pay US wages?

That approach flies in the face of every mainstream theory of economic development for the 3rd world.
No not at all. I just don’t want American companies using this type of labor. I am very pro-capitalism however these companies shouldn’t take advantage of people the way they do.
 
I have lots of experiences in this area.

That is simply not true. Their conditions are horrific. But I won’t go into it because I suspect people don’t want to hear it.
 
I have lots of experiences in this area.

That is simply not true. Their conditions are horrific. But I won’t go into it because I suspect people don’t want to hear it.
To be blunt I question your veracity. I spent 10 yrs in Asia and the Foreign Employers in every country I visited was always a preferred place to work.

How many factories and of what type have you visited?
 
Usually working for the foreign employer is a very sought after job in these countries, because the wages and conditions are better than the alternatives.
I do keep up with the news. Toy factories, sports shoe factories, etc have all had reports of terrible wages and working conditions within the past 10 years. It’s also been reported that American chocolate companies have obtained their cocoa from places that use actual slaves in their harvests. It’s naive to assume that working conditions are good everywhere in the world even when the employer is from a first world country.
 
Yes, we should buy local when we can, but we as a country shouldn’t tolerate American companies exporting their jobs overseas in places where people are hardly paid anything and conditions are horrible. I would rather pay more money for items and own less than have a bunch of cheap junk, personally.
Good for you to be willing to pay more for items. But in the real world, most people aren’t. As soon as a competitor opens up another business, with lower cost products possibly made in another country, the more expensive products that you would be willing to buy won’t sell. It’s a global economy now, protectionism doesn’t work.
 
Many other western countries practice protectionism by putting high tariffs on foreign imports and it does work for them. I’m not saying that needs to be the solution, I’m just pointing out that it does work in other countries. What may be better though is making our tax system friendlier for our businesses that manufacture here rather than overseas. To a degree it has been helping the past couple of years, bringing a lot of manufacturing back.
 
That’s what the Trump administration has been trying to do. Reduce tariffs to make trade more equitable. Countries that protectionism with high tariffs are only passing the cost onto the consumers.
 
I know, I’m a big fan of his tax plan. As for tarrifs we have been screwed over in that area for a long time. If countries won’t negotiate fairly with us then we should have no choice but to do the same thing.
 
To be blunt I question your veracity. I spent 10 yrs in Asia and the Foreign Employers in every country I visited was always a preferred place to work.

How many factories and of what type have you visited?
My sister is a diplomat in one very popular areas for western factories in Asia. The stories are horrible.

I’ve seen a few first hand.

Yes they are sought after because they are poor so the likelihood that the company will continue is high. But the conditions are not nice at all. Many have to work second jobs. Many parents are separated from their children as they cannot afford rent closeby.

As I said. I know lots about this particular region.
 
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The grownups did not take the jobs away. A system in which old people have to work because they cannot supplement retirement benefits and pay for overpriced medication forced these folks into taking jobs like McDonalds.
Then McDonalds chose to go the kiosks route to allow themselves to make more profit. Eventually, they would have phased out the kids.
Exactly. An adult with a family to support or bills to pay only takes McDonald’s or similar jobs because nothing else is available.

Nothing else is available often because employers are greedy and expect workers to all come pre-loaded with expensive education plus years of experience whereas in times past they would much more often take on bright and talented people and invest in them by contributing towards their education and providing work experience.
 
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