What was the first church?

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I am in need of some dates and I was hoping some people on here might have them handy or be able to give me links where I can find them.

I know there is a lot of debate on what the first church was, faith alone, alway’s saved, etc… So I was just wondering if anyone can give me the actual historical dates or documents that represent a timeline of the formation of the different faiths as seen today. Something that states for example when the Church was first called the “Catholic Church”, the first Lutheran Church, Baptist Church, Methodist Church, etc…

Also, does anyone know when the belief of faith alone and once saved alway’s saved began?

Again, I would really prefer actual historical data that has no tradition or opinions in it. Just like you would open a textbook in school and it would tell you what year the civil war actually started.

I am just hoping to get a better understanding of when everything really began.
 
“The word Catholic (katholikos from katholou — throughout the whole, i.e., universal) occurs in the Greek classics, e.g., in Aristotle and Polybius, and was freely used by the earlier Christian writers in what we may call its primitive and non-ecclesiastical sense. Thus we meet such phrases as the “the catholic resurrection” (Justin Martyr), “the catholic goodness of God” (Tertullian), “the four catholic winds” (Irenaeus), where we should now speak of “the general resurrection”, “the absolute or universal goodness of God”, “the four principal winds”, etc. The word seems in this usage to be opposed to merikos (partial) or idios (particular), and one familiar example of this conception still survives in the ancient phrase “Catholic Epistles” as applied to those of St. Peter, St. Jude, etc., which were so called as being addressed not to particular local communities, but to the Church at large.”

"The combination “the Catholic Church” (he katholike ekklesia) is found for the first time in the letter of St. Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans, written about the year 110. The words run: “Wheresoever the bishop shall appear, there let the people be, even as where Jesus may be, there is the universal [katholike] Church.”
 
Roblox84 said:
I am in need of some dates and I was hoping some people on here might have them handy or be able to give me links where I can find them.

I know there is a lot of debate on what the first church was, faith alone, alway’s saved, etc… So I was just wondering if anyone can give me the actual historical dates or documents that represent a timeline of the formation of the different faiths as seen today. Something that states for example when the Church was first called the “Catholic Church”, the first Lutheran Church, Baptist Church, Methodist Church, etc…

Also, does anyone know when the belief of faith alone and once saved alway’s saved began?

Again, I would really prefer actual historical data that has no tradition or opinions in it. Just like you would open a textbook in school and it would tell you what year the civil war actually started.

I am just hoping to get a better understanding of when everything really began.
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Try this LINK
 
Roblox84 said:
… I am just hoping to get a better understanding of when everything really began.
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“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
  • Saint John
(Sorry, I couldn’t resist. :D)
 
RWMorris said:
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
  • Saint John
(Sorry, I couldn’t resist. :D)
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I just think people get so lost in biblical talk that they forget that everything has an actual numerical starting point that is recorded in history. So it’s only to get a better understanding of what the old and new teachings are since the older the teaching is, the more reliable it will be.

From the links I received there were some teachings of the Catholic Church that were fairly new such as the Assumption of Mary in 1950 and papal infability in some earlier time. Do many Catholics believe in the Assumption of Mary or is this somewhat a belief of the radical Catholic, because I have never heard this in my church.
 
The Assumption of Mary was deemed dogma and infallable by Pope Pius XII, and thus making belief a requirement of all faithful Catholics.
 
Roblox84 said:
I just think people get so lost in biblical talk that they forget that everything has an actual numerical starting point that is recorded in history. So it’s only to get a better understanding of what the old and new teachings are since the older the teaching is, the more reliable it will be.

From the links I received there were some teachings of the Catholic Church that were fairly new such as the Assumption of Mary in 1950 and papal infability in some earlier time. Do many Catholics believe in the Assumption of Mary or is this somewhat a belief of the radical Catholic, because I have never heard this in my church.
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The Catholic Church is often said to have “made up” a “new” dogma, but this is not actually the case. St Thomas Aquinas, who lived in the 1200’s apparently weighed in (on the wrong side!) of the on-going discussion of the Immaculate Conception, and the idea of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist was evident from the very beginning of the Church but not *proclaimed *by the Church until the 1600’s.

The reason for this is that the Church teaches, and does not issue a proclamation about something until it comes into dispute (generally). So, it was not until the Protestant “reformers” that anyone doubted the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, so it was not until then that the Church addressed the subject, and *re-affirmed *the perennial teaching of the Church.

WRT other topics, such as the Immaculate Conception, this fit into the perennial teachings of the Church, and many of the Early Church Fathers assumed it, but was not actually taught by the Church until the 1850’s. You can read more about it here in the Catholic Encyclopedia (as well as numerous other topics).
 
The Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Catholic Church were founded in 1054. I know that. :).

Let the attacks begin Lol :cool:
 
St_Francis said:
The Catholic Church is often said to have “made up” a “new” dogma, but this is not actually the case. St Thomas Aquinas, who lived in the 1200’s apparently weighed in (on the wrong side!) of the on-going discussion of the Immaculate Conception, and the idea of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist was evident from the very beginning of the Church but not *proclaimed *by the Church until the 1600’s.

The reason for this is that the Church teaches, and does not issue a proclamation about something until it comes into dispute (generally). So, it was not until the Protestant “reformers” that anyone doubted the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, so it was not until then that the Church addressed the subject, and *re-affirmed *the perennial teaching of the Church.

WRT other topics, such as the Immaculate Conception, this fit into the perennial teachings of the Church, and many of the Early Church Fathers assumed it, but was not actually taught by the Church until the 1850’s. You can read more about it here in the Catholic Encyclopedia (as well as numerous other topics).
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Ah I see. I wonder why it took protestants up until year 1900 to finally dispute that.

I could say that my CC probably isn’t as traditional as some others, so they usually don’t preach about Mary or anything like that so i’m not too familiar with it.
 
wmscott said:
The Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Catholic Church were founded in 1054. I know that. Good grief, here we go again. :rolleyes:.

Let the attacks begin Lol
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Sorry I think i’m missing something. Is that like a joke or what?:confused:
 
Roblox84 said:
Oh I know, I just figured you knew what he might be talking about.
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Yea, its that old, false, thoroughly discredited claim that some anti-Catholics come up with to, either goad or attack Catholics.
 
wmscott said:
Yea, its that old, false, thoroughly discredited claim that some anti-Catholics come up with to, either goad or attack Catholics.
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Sorry i’m just curious.

So the claim was that the Catholic Church is founded in 1054? Where is that come from? I think even if it was founded in 1054 it would still be one of the first churchs.
 
Roblox84 said:
Sorry i’m just curious.

So the claim was that the Catholic Church is founded in 1054? Where is that come from? I think even if it was founded in 1054 it would still be one of the first churchs.
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The East–West Schism, or Great Schism that divided Christianity into Eastern (Greek) and Western (Latin) branches, which later became known as the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church. But what they will omit is the St. Peter was our first Pope and the unbroken succession of Popes until today that exists in the Catholic Church (Latin Rite). It is called apostolic succession.
 
wmscott said:
The East–West Schism, or Great Schism that divided Christianity into Eastern (Greek) and Western (Latin) branches, which later became known as the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church. But what they will omit is the St. Peter was our first Pope and the unbroken succession of Popes until today that exists in the Catholic Church (Latin Rite). It is called apostolic succession.
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Ok got it. Now I remember something about this, i think I just had a brain fart. Thanks
 
Going out of town for a few days, I will check back in when I get home. Peace out.
 
The word “church” in the New Testament is translated from the Greek word ekklesia. It is found only twice in the Gospels, it is derived from two words “ek” meaning ‘out’ and “kalo” meaning to ‘call’. An ekklesia or “calling out” was just not an assembly or community.

The words *agora, paneguris, heorte, koinon, thiasos, sunagoge and sunago *can all mean an assembly, community or congregation. The word ekklesia is one of those words that have a very powerful and distinct meaning.

In classical Greek ekklesia meant “ an assembly of citizens summoned by the crier, the legislative assembly”. When the Greek city-states found their governments had become too corrupt and oppressive, they would call for an ekklesia, an assembly outside the civil authority of the city. If enough people came out and refused to accept the existing centralized civil authority, that government would collapse. Non-participation has been a successful and peaceful means to free mankind from oppressive civil authority throughout history.

If we look at the Bible in Matthew 16: 13 -19 we see the discourse where Jesus tells Simon " You are Peter and on this rock I will build my “ekklesia” (community/church) and the gates of the underworld can never overpower it."

Jesus then goes on to give to Peter the keys to the kingdom of Heaven. In this discourse Jesus is calling His disciples to band together and form a community/ church to overthrow the existing civil authority, which was the Jewish Sanhedrin under Roman rule and help usher in His new Kingdom, the Kingdom of God.

At this point only Jesus knew he was going to be crucified, none of his Apostles knew that. Jesus gave to Peter, by passing the “keys” His own authority to lead His community/church here on earth, while He is absent . Jesus is returning for those “keys”

Those keys have been passed generation after generation to present day. This is The Church, past, present and future. She is One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. Only The Church was given those keys. Our separated brothers and sisters are a part of that Church, in an imperfect way because they do not embrace all of Her teachings and we pray that one day they will come back home to the unity as intended by Jesus when He first called us, His disciples to form that community/church. His Church, not my church, your church or our church. The Church.
 
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