What would you do if you think your mother is a sociopath?

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Yes, it is normal for children of narcissists to still want a loving and close relationship, but it is not the real person who is desired, it is the “fantasy parent.” That fantasy can stay in front of the real person for a lifetime, if the adult child doesn’t work VERY hard to face reality (usually in therapy).

I think people raised by narcissists need therapy more than just about any other group. It’s almost a “de-programming” function - so that when you start making excuses for your narcissistic parent, the therapist can give you a reality check. Also, once you truly, TRULY recognize your parent for the person she IS, someone needs to be there to help you through those emotions (anger, grief, fear, more anger, sadness, etc.).
Thanks, TRJ. What a wonderful post. I edited your post to address the most important points, IMO. And I agree that therapy is looking more and more necessary. I already put in a call to my therapist, but she will be out of the office till monday.
 
mommamaree,

Constant, long-term exposure to a narcissist can easily make advice like those EasterJoy posted for you feel like an attack. This is due to the reality distortion you have been faced with for so long. Nothing is ever the narcissist’s fault. Everything is your fault.

You are right to feel you need boundaries. You are justified in not having warm fuzzy feelings toward your mother, and your lack of feeling sorry for her does not make you a bad person. Chances are she always feels sorry for herself and expects everyone else to as well.

Here is an excerpt from the site I recommended:

*You’ve come to realize a harsh reality, or you’re simply entertaining a harsh possibility: your mother is or might be a malignant narcissist. You’ve started to Google the Internet looking for someone to explain the pathological relationship you have with the woman who calls herself “mother”. For years you’ve been struggling to understand this woman. You’ve wrestled with your conflicting feelings for decades. You’ve been used and abused by her but never allowed to think of her behavior toward you as being abusive. Now a label is tantalizing you with a hope that you will someday understand this complicated mess. All of which is why you are here now.

There is no simple explanation for your mother. There is no formula that will “fix” her either. If you are looking for either of those you are set up for disappointment. I will tell you what you can do. You can come to understand that you are not the one who is crazy or defective. You will discover in your search on the Internet that there are many people who understand what you’ve experienced and can validate your experience and feelings. That alone is priceless and will go a long way toward giving you some relief. Next, if you allow yourself, you will come to understand the “malignant” part of “malignant narcissism” and realize your mother has earned the label due to the ill-will betrayed by her behaviors.*

… more at narcissists-suck.blogspot.com/2007/06/your-narcissistic-mother.html

The most current post is titled “Suicide Threats and the Narcissist”, which seems somewhat relevant to you as well.
 
What would I do if I think my mother is a sociopath?

My mother is an NPD.

She has done nothing but cause hellish havoc in my family.

For me it has been neccessary to completely cut all ties. I have not spoken to my mother for close to 20 years and will never do so.

You mentioned in one of your posts that your mother acts as gatekeeper to attachments to anyone else in your family. It is the same for me. I have several brothers and sisters and the rest of my siblings are still in her thrall. So I have had to cut all contact with them as well, as not to do so would cause too many problems.

I miss my brothers and sisters so much it aches, I have not seen nor spoken to most of them for than a decade. I’ve never met many of my nieces and nephews, don’t even know their names.

You may know from your reading of books and websites on the subject that often what NPDs will do is target one family member in particular with psychological violence and scapegoat them and turn other family members against them.

Well that is what my mother did to my sister. To the extent that my sister ended up in a mental hospital for 6 months. She has never recovered.

My sister was the only one of my siblings who could see through my mother and that is why she was targeted. The rest of them as I mentioned are in her thrall although most of them recognise that she has problems and that none of us had a normal childhood.

I would advise anyone with a family member who seems to have a personality disorder to cut all contact completely, its the only solution.
 
My parents are criminal sociopaths. I honor them by offering prayers and sacrifices, and I don’t contact them. I asked them to change and repent. I forgive them. No contact is for the best and it says I don’t condone their sins. I honor them by praying for them a lot and begging God’s mercy. OP feel for to PM me if you need help, I have been there.
 
She steals everything good from me and twists it. She belittles me and demeans me. She constantly competes with me, which means I always lose. She also is competitive with my niece (whom she has adopted) and my daughter, who is only two days younger than my niece. Now it is not only me who loses, but also my daughter.
Normally, EasterJoy, I appreciate your wisdom. But my reaction to your thoughts here is that I feel like I am suffocating or drowning. Like I will never get away. Her burden is NOT my cross to bear. I also felt like I was very judgemental and critical (which my mother accuses me of whenever I confront her about her mistreatment of me) when I read your comment about Hallmark card mothers.
If your mother is truly anti-social you are not ever going to have a pro-social relationship with her. She lacks the foundational mechanisms for this. There is some thought that the disorder can “calm” as the years pass, but it isn’t through the actions or caring of others- it seems to be simply due to the psychological changes that we all have as we age.

If your mother is anti-social the interactions you have with her are really a kind of “cover” for her in a sub-conscious imitation of true human connection. Anti-social individuals do not know “love”, “loyalty”, “joy”, “sorrow” in the same way as folks without this affliction.

Then again- maybe your mom is not a true anti-social individual. Maybe she is narcissistic, borderline, or just a really angry and manipulative person.

In that case you can shape your interaction in a way to lessen or eliminate aspects of the relationship which cause you distress.

If she is anti-social then you just might want to not have contact with her- as bad as that sounds.
 
Thanks mamaslo. Such a helpful post.

I edited to address this comment which was particularly helpful to me.

This is what torments me so. What DOES it look like to honor an emotionally and spiritually abusive (at one time, physically abusive) parent? What does forgiveness feel like even, in this situation?

These questions are the very reason why I am reaching out here, as well as in counseling and through reading and supportive friendships. I don’t only need psychological answers. I need spiritual answers, too. Especially since being Catholic is such a huge part of who I am, and now my mother is acting like she is a better Catholic than me (even though she is not done with RCIA, annulments, etc.) and pointing out how I am lacking spiritually.

I know of no one in “real life” who has had intimate personal relationships with sociopaths/narcissists/abusers. This is such a hard thing to even acknowledge, let alone make big decisions about.
I am struggling with this myself…as a lot of it I blocked out as a child and am just now remembering. Likely your young self had a same sort of denial and coping mechanism. Somethings are just too traumatic to take…and therefore our brain takes care of us…by walling it up.

I’m not sure you can have a relationship with your mom…but you can forgive and honor…what does that look like:

Pray for her…not for “good stuff” but what she truly needs…reconciliation with God.
Be kind to her IF you see her…you don’t have to make it a point to see her or call her or go out of your way.
Don’t tell everyone else what she has done (your spouse, your therapist yes)

That is true foregiviness…and it occurred to me as my alarm went off again for me to pray for my dad…yes I set an alarm to make sure that I did it…and it does seem very hollow. But the fact that I pray for his reconciliation with God and am not consummed by hate for him…that is what honors him…by the loving life I lead.

As far as a relationship…well only you can decide that…but it was a decision that your mom made a long time ago and continues to make…so do not feel guilty about it. Easy to say…hard to do…I’m still working on it…regular therapy helps.

God Bless!
 
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My question is, then, is this normal for emotionally abused people? Is it common for them to be so emotionally attached to their abuser (maybe sometimes purposefully constructed by the abuser in creative ways?) that they cannot acknowledge the reality of who their abuser is? Also, human behavior being so complex, is it possible for even someone demonstrating sociopathic traits to act generously or to seem kind at times? Or is it all part of their plan to control their target? Are there ways that I can learn to hold onto the REAL reality, instead of it slipping through my fingers like water as soon as my anger at the latest outrage subsides?

I guess that is more than one question…sorry about that. I am still so new to this whole concept, yet the situation with my family of origin has gotten very bad (AGAIN) and I need to try to figure this stuff out very quickly so that I can make some decisions. Any book or online recommendation would be greatly appreciated, too. Thank you so much everyone for whatever bits of wisdom you have to offer!
I grew up in a similar situation (although suspecting my mom to be crazy rather than ‘sociopath’. I also did extensive reading in trying to figure out my mother, how she impacted me, etc. note: make sure you know what a ‘sociopath’ really is rather than someone who is narcisistic or has narcisistic traits, etc.

All of what you said sounds normal or potentially normal. And it’s built into them, it’s not like they wake up and hatch an evil plan while twisting their mustache. It’s who they are (whatever diagnosis or trait’s your mom may or may not have.

How to hold onto your reality? Are you in therapy? There is something called ‘reality testing’, essentially checking with other people to see if they view ‘reality’ the way you do. But I suspect with your mom, she may behave one way in the house and another to the public, making reality testing of your ‘true’ mom difficult. Keep reading books you think are relevant. And to the extent your mom has impacted you psychologically/emotionally/etc, I know this can be tough, but eventually you will have to accept that this impact is now in you, and focusing on your mom will not get it out of you. Learning on how to cope with whatever issues you have, how to potentially change, falls on your shoulders. And you should get whatever help you can from sane people to do so.

I recommend the book ‘Games People Play’ by Eric Berne. I found this book extremely helpful when I was young and trying to figure out my family, etc.

And depending on your age and financial situation you may want to consider starting to make a plan to move out of mom’s house if that is feasible (if your an adult and able to support yourself and live independently safely).

Good luck and God Bless,
Bill
 
I heard an NPR piece about a sociopath last year, and there was one observation that really struck me. They said that a sociopath is, essentially, “emotionally deaf.”
npr.org/2011/05/26/136619689/can-a-test-really-tell-whos-a-psychopath

I’ve had several people in my life that I suspected were sociopaths (like my soon to be ex-wife), but that simple observation of emotional deafness (I’m a poet so that language really appealed to me) gave me a sense of clarity.

I wrote a poem about it that got published newversenews.blogspot.com/2011/10/psychotics-are-emotionally-deaf.html

I hope the links work. I guess I’m putting my head in here because I believed my wife had sociopathic tendencies, and now that my marriage is ending, I’m still looking for validation one way or the other. She once woke me up in the middle of the night, crying, and she told me that she was afraid because she felt this desire to hit me in the head with a hammer. I played off my fear, and asked her where the hammer was. She layed it on my leg. :eek: I didn’t leave her then because I believe in “the vow” but the fact that she was crying makes me think (now) that she can’t be a true sociopath.

Anyway, thanks for your patience.
 
Mommamaree, you dear thing, I wish I could hug you…I am sorry to have hurt you, that is not what I meant! I will try again, and try to be more clear this time. (And, BTW, good for you for putting your foot down and saying that the stinky does stink. Good woman!!)

No, no, no, no, no. I am not saying you ought to bear your mother more gracefully! Oh, good heavens, no! Do I have a bear in my backyard? A lizard in my house? No! And it isn’t because I don’t love lizards or bears! It is because I think the lizard and the bear living somewhere else is better for everyone involved. I’m fond of God’s creatures, so it is not meant as any affront, but just an analogy with those creatures that people project abilities onto…that is, that gee, a bear is just a big dog and a lizard is like a cat. No, whether or not you like bears or lizards, you have to admit that they are not dogs or cats!

No, I was only trying to give you permission to choose something for yourself, regardless of what I would choose. What I would choose irrelevant, because this is not my choice. I don’t want to put you in a position where you go from your mother dictating your whole life to having me dictate your whole life, that is all! I’m trying to say, “if this were to be the choice you want–not the one I’d want, but the choice of people I feel are competent–then there is a way to do it, if you were determined to do it.”

I don’t mean that you don’t love her in terms of caring about her! Heavens, you would not be here if you did not care about her!! I mean that the work of loving her and the work of being honest about what her true nature is are the same work! You are doing the right thing!! In spite of what she has told you, it is in no way unloving of you to say “Mom, you are unpredictable and you can be dangerous” or “Mom, you hurt me at every turn”. It is in no way unloving for you to let her live her life far from you. It is in no way unloving to point to the harm she has done to you. None of those things would be any failure on your part whatsoever! No, I am saying that by loving her it was inevitable that you would realize that what the depths of your heart have been telling you are right all along. You are beautiful, I can tell just by the things you write. Either out of blindness or out of stubbornness, she is the one who is wrong. She is the one who does not see, who will not even see what she could see.

I meant only to reaffirm Martha Stout’s first rule of dealing with a sociopath:* Swallow the bitter pill of accepting that some people literally have no conscience.* According to my analogy, it would make total sense for you not to have any more contact with her at all, and that would in no way be in conflict with your love of her or even your appreciation of her good points. It would merely be a recognition of the danger that her state of being a sociopath poses, especially for those who love her the most. A person who does not love bears, after all, feels no conflict about whether to keep their distance. It is only the person who appreciates a bear’s good points or who had hoped the bear was a dog because she deeply wants to be near the bear that has that conflict. I’m saying: If you do decide to have contact with her, do not feel any guilt about always keeping her true nature always in your mind. You would not only be allowed to do that, you would need to.

I am trying to defend your right to make your own choice. If you were a personal friend I would support you whether you broke off contact or if you did not break off contact, provided you were not denying the necessity of keeping yourself safe as you did it. It is your choice, based on how you want to handle the tension between the dangers she poses and whatever positive things you feel could come of contact with her, if there are any…and that, too, is your call, because you know.

If you were to break off all contact, though…I’d be totally relieved! You’ve been hurt enough. My only concern is that I don’t take the hurt your mother has done as carte blanche to tell you what to do. Deciding what you want to do is your right, and I believe you are fully capable of deciding that on your own. I also don’t want to say she has nothing loveable about her. I only want to say that the danger she poses justifies your decision to cut off contact, even if she does have other good points. It justifies great care if you do have contact.

The Hallmark comment? I have noticed that nearly all of us grieve a terrible situation as if the alternative were far better than it could have been. Most women I know have some grief concerning their relationship with either their mother or their father. Not all, but by far most. If that doesn’t help, though, ditch it.

I hope I am finally making some sense. If not, ditch all of it! If it doesn’t help…just ditch it!

This is my most important message, then: I trust your sense of what helps and what doesn’t! You are right to trust yourself, too! You are a loving person, you are a competent person, the more you trust your own deep sense of things instead of pressure from anyone else–including me!!–the better you will do, and you can do this! Don’t let anyone else tell you differently, and if it sounds like they’re saying something different, then you go ahead and tell them off, too! Good woman!! 👍
 
EasterJoy,

I feel so silly. I really had misunderstood everything you said, and I realize now it was because I was in a really dark place this afternoon. I felt so lonely, I wanted a mother, I needed to be able to reach out to my own mother but can’t because she will just use the opportunity to amplify my loneliness. So I ended up calling my MIL. She and I talked for about an hour. She knows my mother quite well actually, because my husband’s family joined my family’s church when we were still in our early teens. She gave me that sanity check and that dose of motherly love and wisdom I needed today, and confirmed that what my husband and I suspect is consistent with what she has observed about my mother’s behavior. She has also had opportunities for private, unobserved interactions with my mother, and some of the things that my MIL tells me about my mother’s actions at those times are humiliating and disturbing. Ugh.
One of the things you said in your post was something that my MIL said to me today, actually. She told me that I am the kindest person she knows. That made me cry. But being told that made me realize how hard it is to believe something nice about oneself when one is used to being torn down. And you know, I don’t go around being kind to people just because I am aiming to win “The Kindest Person” award. I do so because I love them, or at the very least (with acquaintances and strangers) I care about them as human beings. And that is one reason why I will never be my mother!
The more I talk about these issues with sane people who actually know my mother, the more I realize I am not insane. I am just struggling to acknowledge what everyone else already has known for a long time. And I am also realizing that the only people who would condemn me for cutting ties with my mother is my mother herself, and me. Because I have gotten pretty accomplished at being mean to myself over the years, and if she is not around to put me down, then I put myself down.
My MIL strongly urged, insisted really, that I go back to my counselor as quickly as possible, and my priest as well. She explained that while the learning phase is tough, actually disconnecting from someone like this is brutal and can be dangerous to my wellbeing. I am gonna take her advice. I am trying to expand my social network to deal with my loneliness. I am trying to learn many different ways to nurture myself (my midwives are helping a lot with that). I am reading and learning all that I can. But I can see professional help, longterm professional help, is an absolute must now. And spiritual counseling, too.
EasterJoy, I am so glad that you responded to my earlier concerns about what you were trying to say to me. That helped so much. Thank you.
 
I heard an NPR piece about a sociopath last year, and there was one observation that really struck me. They said that a sociopath is, essentially, “emotionally deaf.”
npr.org/2011/05/26/136619689/can-a-test-really-tell-whos-a-psychopath

I’ve had several people in my life that I suspected were sociopaths (like my soon to be ex-wife), but that simple observation of emotional deafness (I’m a poet so that language really appealed to me) gave me a sense of clarity.

I wrote a poem about it that got published newversenews.blogspot.com/2011/10/psychotics-are-emotionally-deaf.html

I hope the links work. I guess I’m putting my head in here because I believed my wife had sociopathic tendencies, and now that my marriage is ending, I’m still looking for validation one way or the other. She once woke me up in the middle of the night, crying, and she told me that she was afraid because she felt this desire to hit me in the head with a hammer. I played off my fear, and asked her where the hammer was. She layed it on my leg. :eek: I didn’t leave her then because I believe in “the vow” **but the fact that she was crying makes me think (now) that she can’t be a true sociopath.
**
Anyway, thanks for your patience.
Sociopaths can create tears, but it’s done to manipulate others. I’m glad you got away alive. :eek:

And, I like your poem very much.
 
One thing that I thought that I might share here that could be relevant…

My mother has “confided” in me for about a decade and a half (read: she complains of this sorrow/tragedy every time we talk) is that she cannot feel love. She doesn’t know what love feels like. At times, she says that it is the fault of others. She likes to blame others for not loving her enough and say that is the reason she cannot feel love. Other times, more rarely, she will say that something is wrong and she has never felt love and wonders if she was just born this way.

Of course, my first reaction is sorrow and pity. Sometimes I get upset with her. I have told her countless times how much I love her and how much it hurts that no matter how many different ways I try to prove my love, she still doubts it because she doesn’t feel it.

Now that I am learning about sociopathy, it starts to make more sense. I am starting to wonder if she is truly incapable of love and empathy, as sociopaths are, and is using that fact, told as a sob story, to manipulate me. As in, her deficiency is my fault or my problem to fix for her. Or at the very least that I am on the hook for always needing to prove my love in ever grander ways, otherwise I am guilty of not loving her at all.

But she really has “confided” in me so many of the trademark traits of a sociopath. She has admitted (as a defense when I confront her about her blatant manipulation or emotional abuse of me) that:
  1. She does not feel love.
  2. She feels emotionally dead.
  3. She does not stop to consider the effects of her actions upon me.
  4. She never thinks about the fact that I have feelings.
  5. She says/does one thing while intending the exact opposite (example: when she married her third husband, she said “I do” but thought “Yeah, right, until I leave you, too”).
  6. She has no concept of social norms, nor does she particularly care about them.
  7. She thinks personal boundaries are evidence that someone does not have a “loving heart”.
  8. She has been incredibly promiscuous in her life. Sexual boldness/promiscuity is a common trait apparently for sociopaths and narcissists.
These are things that she has “confided” in me over the years, since my teens, and it is like she is hanging a blinking neon sign over her head that says “I am a sociopath. I will never change. I am dangerous. Stay away. But please don’t leave me.”
 
EasterJoy,

I feel so silly. I really had misunderstood everything you said, and I realize now it was because I was in a really dark place this afternoon. I felt so lonely, I wanted a mother, I needed to be able to reach out to my own mother but can’t because she will just use the opportunity to amplify my loneliness. So I ended up calling my MIL. She and I talked for about an hour. She knows my mother quite well actually, because my husband’s family joined my family’s church when we were still in our early teens. She gave me that sanity check and that dose of motherly love and wisdom I needed today, and confirmed that what my husband and I suspect is consistent with what she has observed about my mother’s behavior. She has also had opportunities for private, unobserved interactions with my mother, and some of the things that my MIL tells me about my mother’s actions at those times are humiliating and disturbing. Ugh.
One of the things you said in your post was something that my MIL said to me today, actually. She told me that I am the kindest person she knows. That made me cry. But being told that made me realize how hard it is to believe something nice about oneself when one is used to being torn down. And you know, I don’t go around being kind to people just because I am aiming to win “The Kindest Person” award. I do so because I love them, or at the very least (with acquaintances and strangers) I care about them as human beings. And that is one reason why I will never be my mother!
The more I talk about these issues with sane people who actually know my mother, the more I realize I am not insane. I am just struggling to acknowledge what everyone else already has known for a long time. And I am also realizing that the only people who would condemn me for cutting ties with my mother is my mother herself, and me. Because I have gotten pretty accomplished at being mean to myself over the years, and if she is not around to put me down, then I put myself down.
My MIL strongly urged, insisted really, that I go back to my counselor as quickly as possible, and my priest as well. She explained that while the learning phase is tough, actually disconnecting from someone like this is brutal and can be dangerous to my wellbeing. I am gonna take her advice. I am trying to expand my social network to deal with my loneliness. I am trying to learn many different ways to nurture myself (my midwives are helping a lot with that). I am reading and learning all that I can. But I can see professional help, longterm professional help, is an absolute must now. And spiritual counseling, too.
EasterJoy, I am so glad that you responded to my earlier concerns about what you were trying to say to me. That helped so much. Thank you.
I’m so glad you are feeling better. Mommamaree, you are not foolish. You are just getting over having had your own true sense being constantly undermined. That is a big work…I am so glad you have such a gem of a MIL to help you! Self-nurture is vital, but not all the nurturing you need can come from you. You need others to reflect the truth to you, too. I’m so glad she can give you that, because getting it in person is by far the best.

I’m going to tell you, too…it is not all bad that you took me wrong. How you reacted says something very good and very important about you. I’m so proud of you for sticking up for your sense of things! Do you know how great that is?!? That is so wonderful, because it means that deep down you know your own self-worth, in spite of all the messages to the contrary! *You *know you ought to be able to feel good about yourself! You know that loving your mother is not the same as agreeing with her or giving her opportunities to hurt you! You know so many healthy and true things, and more importantly, *you *are strong enough to act on your own behalf on your faith in what you know! When you go through this and try something others suggest, and it simply doesn’t help you, I know you’re going to be able ditch it and keep looking for and working on those things that do help.

That is so wonderful!! When someone who has been subjected to what you have been subjected to does that, why, it is like someone who has had a spinal injury wiggling their toes and squeezing with their hands! You have a long way to go, but you are intact! You can feel your own feelings and know your own mind! You are going to recover! When God reaches His hand out to lift you up, why, you’re going to be able to reach out your own hand…and you’re going to be able to squeeze God’s hand right back, and let Him help you up, and walk with Him anywhere, with your hand in His!

It is going to be hard, but Mommamaree, you are going to make it. Bless you!
 
One thing that I thought that I might share here that could be relevant…

My mother has “confided” in me for about a decade and a half (read: she complains of this sorrow/tragedy every time we talk) is that she cannot feel love. She doesn’t know what love feels like. At times, she says that it is the fault of others. She likes to blame others for not loving her enough and say that is the reason she cannot feel love. Other times, more rarely, she will say that something is wrong and she has never felt love and wonders if she was just born this way.

Of course, my first reaction is sorrow and pity. Sometimes I get upset with her. I have told her countless times how much I love her and how much it hurts that no matter how many different ways I try to prove my love, she still doubts it because she doesn’t feel it.

Now that I am learning about sociopathy, it starts to make more sense. I am starting to wonder if she is truly incapable of love and empathy, as sociopaths are, and is using that fact, told as a sob story, to manipulate me. As in, her deficiency is my fault or my problem to fix for her. Or at the very least that I am on the hook for always needing to prove my love in ever grander ways, otherwise I am guilty of not loving her at all.

But she really has “confided” in me so many of the trademark traits of a sociopath. She has admitted (as a defense when I confront her about her blatant manipulation or emotional abuse of me) that:
  1. She does not feel love.
  2. She feels emotionally dead.
  3. She does not stop to consider the effects of her actions upon me.
  4. She never thinks about the fact that I have feelings.
  5. She says/does one thing while intending the exact opposite (example: when she married her third husband, she said “I do” but thought “Yeah, right, until I leave you, too”).
  6. She has no concept of social norms, nor does she particularly care about them.
  7. She thinks personal boundaries are evidence that someone does not have a “loving heart”.
  8. She has been incredibly promiscuous in her life. Sexual boldness/promiscuity is a common trait apparently for sociopaths and narcissists.
These are things that she has “confided” in me over the years, since my teens, and it is like she is hanging a blinking neon sign over her head that says “I am a sociopath. I will never change. I am dangerous. Stay away. But please don’t leave me.”
Realize that not being able to feel love and using the feelings of others to manipulate them are not mutually exclusive things. Also, deserving pity and being someone who would benefit in all but the most shallow ways by actually getting pity are a million miles from the same thing!!

Returning to my over-used analogy, I really would think about your mother the way I’d think about a bear that’s been kept in captivity. Maybe the bear needs someone to help it survive, but that has to be someone who is expert at understanding bears, and it almost certainly has to be a someone the bear has not learned that it can maul at will.

IOW, just because your mother may be worthy of pity doesn’t mean that pity will help her. If it did, it would definitely not follow that the heart moved to help her directly ought to be yours. You might be the person who most wants to help her but also the person least in any position to do it, save by your prayers. Sometimes the hardest thing is to realize that someone needs help, but that the help has to come from someone besides us. That is a very very hard truth to accept; it takes grace and a lot of acceptance to do it, and it can easily be a two-steps-forward-one-step-back thing to wrap our minds around. Don’t punish yourself if you shoot par on that course!

Live well, pray for your mother, but otherwise, don’t look back. It isn’t just that you need to let go of her for your own sake. You are probably the person she needs to have let go of her, too. It is for you to discern whether or not what I am saying is true, but don’t feel shy about admitting that it is true, if it is. Nothing could be more likely. Do be easy on yourself about this, though. It definitely falls into the category of easier-said-than-done. Be very patient with the process of learning it.
 
For so many of us struggling with this issue, we can only ever be “pretty sure”, can’t we?

When a person can never have certainty that what they suspect is true, and they are quite practiced at denial and self-blame to cope, how in the world are we supposed to recognize the wolf in sheep’s clothing and finally act on REALITY and not the emotional image we project upon the sociopath/narcissist?
We can’t be sure unless God himself speaks and confirms this. (I don’t think psychiatrists are God, so…)

I woke up from denial when my NPD father started behaving badly concerning my forthcoming wedding. He tried to make it about him, insisting I invite certain people, that I change the date to accomodate his vacation plans, etc. He was very persistent and angry about my refusal to comply with his wishes, and the way he talked to me hurt me in a completely new way, something I never felt before. Because before I would always convince myself I was to blame in some way, while in this situation I was definitely not to blame. I think I was able to see the truth for the first time.

A couple of years later another thing happened that opened my eyes completely. His bullying shifted to my husband. It was subtle at first: he would constantly question my husband’s ability in terms of his work without any reason for it. He started making disparaging comments. And then he started ridiculing my husband in public. That was it for me. When I saw another person being targeted the way I was for my entire life, I finally saw the truth. It felt like I was hit in the face and woken up from a strange dream. There was no denial after that.

(My mother, my brother and my aunt, who all experienced emotional abuse from him, refused to believe me that we were dealing with a narcissist. That hurt and of course I questioned myself again. But I also understood that people cope in different ways and that sometimes it is easier to just pretend than to face the truth. Their denial is not my problem anymore.)
 
Hi. Like the other readers, I have deep sympathy for your situation and am sorry that you–or anyone–must endure this.

I’m wondering if your mother ever had a severe head injury, particularly at the front of the head in the area just below and just above the hairline when she was young. I’ve noticed a connection between such head injuries and the behavior being discussed here, however, I do not work in the field, that’s merely an observation I’ve noticed.

I’m wondering, also, if your mother is able to sincerely say that she is sorry for anything. Or, if, on the few occasions when she’s SAID she’s sorry, she’s done it with great drama and mockery, voice dripping with ridicule to make sure that you know she thinks you’re a baby, there’s no way she means it, and she’s going to make certain that you KNOW she’s actually ridiculing you. Does this sound familiar?

Additional questions: Does she enjoy playing Queen (being dictatorial…"…or else!") Do her tirades reek with contempt? Does she parade about like an actress on a stage during her rants? Does she have trouble holding back a smile, or even laugh, when she sees you’re hurt? I, too, am still trying to sort out such behavior. Even though my sister (the narcissist closest to me) is now deceased, her seeming malice lingers and my heart still aches.

I’m curious if anyone else has seen these same displays.
 
I’ve just realised that I messed up my previous post and the first sentence does not make much sense. I wrote that we can only be sure that someone has a disorder if God declares it so. OK, not the most sophisticated way to address it, but what I meant was this: even if your mother were diagnosed by a psychiatrist, would that make a difference to you? What would you do if that happened? Would you trust their professional judgement? (Doctors sometimes make mistakes, right?) Would that allow you to put some boundaries in place and to move on? You don’t need a professional opinion of a doctor to allow you to feel what you are feeling towards her. You have consulted literature and feel pretty sure that she has a personality disorder. Your life is full of evidence for it, so trust yourself here. My family members don’t believe that my father is a narcissit (he is just a bit difficult according to them) but I have learned to trust myself. I know what I experienced. I know these things are not normal. So I don’t care if they choose to explain it all away.

You are concerned about following God’s will in terms of honoring your mother. I worried about the same thing and that day when I decided to end all contact with my father I went to church, knelt in front of the tabernacle and begged Jesus to forgive me. I felt like a child who did something wrong and was afraid of being punished. I was terrified to be precise. And then I felt something that can be best described as a ‘spiritual hug’. He was holding me and I understood that he felt so sorry for me. He wasn’t going to punish me - he was suffering with me. God is not unreasonable - He knows us and our pain. He suffers with us because we are His beloved children. He didn’t put us on this earth in order to be abused, to be victims of our parents. So don’t be afraid. Ask for healing, pray for it every day. He wants you to be better and not to suffer like this.
 
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