What's a Protestant? Let's Level Set.

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I won’t put words in his mouth, but some Anglicans consider themselves Catholic. I sometimes do to varying degrees. Sometimes even go the RC Church down the street if it’s more convenient for me on a particular day. 🤷
I know. I’m just giving him a hard time. 😛
 
I usually would mean Calvinist inclined Protestants, maybe bringing in Wesleyans too. Or I would use “Protestant” when talking about some belief all Protestants have in common. If I would say “Evangelical”, I would mean the Baptists/Pentecostals/etc. Usually but not always I would call Lutherans “Lutherans” and Anglicans “Anglicans” or “Episcopalians”.
Makes sense to me.

GKC
 
I won’t put words in his mouth, but some Anglicans consider themselves Catholic. I sometimes do to varying degrees. Sometimes even go the RC Church down the street if it’s more convenient for me on a particular day. 🤷
Anglicans are variable, true.

GKC

Anglicanus-Catholicus
 
Well…interesting question. I will say that if it apparently offends people i will make an effort myself to refrain. However, i dont agree that it is being ignorant. The Church was one and called Catholic long before the reformation…am i right? Since the protest, and thus named the “protestant reformation”, those who have faith in our Lord (which we dont deny, nor do we claim they cannot enter heaven) have established churches following this spirit of separation in protest to the Church which existed as Catholic since the Apostles. When asking questions to these churches how should one address them? Because the questions pertain to all those who dont share the same faith as the Catholic Church teaches. Should we say those belonging to the denominations? Do we need to type out all 30,000 denominations? Or maybe we should say non-Catholics? That is something I could definately do. I came from protestant faith. I have protestant friends. I even tell some that they are not neccessarily protestant if they arent protesting something in the Catholic faith. But soon after I tell them that, they will become protestant in heart when they do reject Catholic teaching.
What i dont care for is how the denominations kept me ignorant of the Catholic teachings all of my youth. They will be held accountable for that. But not those who werent taught. I also dont appreciate when options of religion list either Christian or Catholic! This is truly an ignorant thing.
But i dont demonize protestants. If I believe they do not have the full teaching it doesnt make me any greater at following what I preach. Many protestants (non Cats) follow God’s will more than I!

Respectfully,
Michael
What I meant was ignorance, on my part, of the degree of differing beliefs among non-Catholic faith traditions. Because of this I tended to lump them altogether as far as what they believed. As I said above, I think it is a sad commentary that there is such disunity among non-Catholic Christians that they really can’t fit under any umbrella.
 
True Steve,
That is one huge significance of our Pope! That all churches who do not recognize him as overseer set themselves apart from us.
 
What I meant was ignorance, on my part, of the degree of differing beliefs among non-Catholic faith traditions. Because of this I tended to lump them altogether as far as what they believed. As I said above, I think it is a sad commentary that there is such disunity among non-Catholic Christians that they really can’t fit under any umbrella.
Agreed, and I don’t envy Catholics on this forum for that very reason. It’s easy for us non-Catholics to say, “Well all you Catholics are _____.” And you can pretty much collectively say well “yes, that’s true,” or “no, that’s way off base.”

Whereas you make a similar statement regarding Protestants and you’ll get 25 different responses. Protestantism is much more nuanced.
 
True Steve,
That is one huge significance of our Pope! That all churches who do not recognize him as overseer set themselves apart from us.
Yes, he is a sign of unity for the Church, yet this offends some.
 
Agreed, and I don’t envy Catholics on this forum for that very reason. It’s easy for us non-Catholics to say, “Well all you Catholics are _____.” And you can pretty much collectively say well “yes, that’s true,” or “no, that’s way off base.”

Whereas you make a similar statement regarding Protestants and you’ll get 25 different responses. Protestantism is much more nuanced.
Very true.
 
Agreed, and I don’t envy Catholics on this forum for that very reason. It’s easy for us non-Catholics to say, “Well all you Catholics are _____.” And you can pretty much collectively say well “yes, that’s true,” or “no, that’s way off base.”

Whereas you make a similar statement regarding Protestants and you’ll get 25 different responses. Protestantism is much more nuanced.
Only 25 Conor??? 😉
 
I accept that ‘separated brethren’ sounds more friendly, but it still can’t be used as a global term when asking about something that a specific group of non-Catholics believe.

‘What do Protestants believe about baptism?’ is just as impossible to answer as ‘What do the separated brethren believe about baptism?’

While I was mainly Episcopalian before my conversion, I have had experience, in the context of South Africa of: The Old Apostolic Church of Africa, The Church of England in South Africa, the Dutch Reformed church and the Baptist church - and they have very different sets of beliefs about many things.
Right, I get what “protestant” means. As you said, the thousands of denominations each have their own spin on things. I suppose it would depend on who you’re talking to.

When I was Baptist, I personally didn’t take being called a protestant offensive. I simply knew it meant I was not Catholic. I also understood that the protestant tree has many branches. That’s partly why I think the term “nondenominational” comes from; they want to remain protestant, yet don’t seem to want to offend anyone. 🙂
 
To my knowledge, the defining set of Protestant doctrines is the Five Solas. After that, however, there’s a good variety.
 
I’m an Episcopalian, which is to say a liberal-ish American Anglican.

And I agree with the Anglican thinking that Anglicanism is a via media, a middle way between Protestantism and Catholicism.

But usually whan I say “Protestant” I mean it as an all-inclusive term for every Christian who is not Catholic or Orthodox. I.e., I am not Catholic or Orthodox, therefore I must be Protestant. But I still think Catholics and Orthodox each have some things more right than Protestants do.
 
Technically speaking, a protestant is anyone who “protests” against the catholic church stemming from the reformation. Now even though baptists and evangelicals want to deny it, their faiths would not exist if not for the reformation. They are distinct from the reformation but not isolated from it.

I was born in a baptist home, grew up pretty much non-denominational evangelical and these days I just call myself a christian. If pressed though, I’d still say I was a protestant because if not for the reformation odds are I’d be catholic like everyone else.
 
Itthis categorization becomes very sticky, especially when many of the threads are titled, “Protestants, Why Do You Believe _____?” And, I think, “which Protestants are you asking? I certainly don’t believe that.”

I’m trying to avoid countless regurgitations from Wikipedia’s entry, so tell me how you are using the word “Protestant?”
I use the term Protestant to describe my religious affiliation, and I use that in the sense Boettner used it in his book on Roman Catholicism: 1) the holding of certain essentials of the faith, such as that the Bible is the word of God and our authoritative guide in church affairs; the deity of Christ; His sacrificial death on the cross for the salvation of those who place their faith in Him; the necessity of baptism and the Lord’s Supper; the personal and visible return of Christ; the resurrection of the body and future judgment; of heaven and hell; of moral character and spiritual life; and 2) the rejection of what the majority of Protestants believe to be errors of Rome, such as the priesthood, mass, confession, purgatory, and certain doctrines related to the Virgin Mary and the Pope.

I happen to be Anglican, but not in the sense of the present Church of England or the Episcopal Church. I don’t mind the label “evangelical” because that is a term Bishop Ryle happily used to describe his party affiliation within the Church of England in the mid to late 1800’s. I consider the 39 Articles to be my confession of faith and look to the Books of Homilies for guidance on specific doctrines.

I also don’t mind the label “fundamentalist” because that is simply a term used to describe men from many different Protestant churches who opposed theological liberalism’s denial of core beliefs: The inspiration and inerrancy of Scripture, the deity of Jesus Christ, the virgin birth of Christ, the substitutionary, atoning work of Christ on the cross, and the physical resurrection and the personal bodily return of Christ to the earth. (thriceholy.net/fundamentals.html)

I like the divisions used by the Rev. Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick in his book Orthodoxy and Heterodoxy to group faiths that are neither Orthodox nor Roman Catholic:

Magisterial Reformation Denominations: Lutherans, Reformed Churches (such as Presbyterians and Dutch Reformed), Anglicanism and its heirs (Episcopalians, Methodists, Wesleyans)

Radical Reformation denominations: Mennonites, Amish, Brethren, Anglican offshoots (Puritans, Separatists, Quakers), Baptists

Revivalists: Restorationists, Adventism, Pentecostals, Charismatics, Nazarenes, Christian and Missionary Alliance

Non-Mainstream Christians: Unitarians, Mormons, Christian Science, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Unification Church
 
I’m an Episcopalian, which is to say a liberal-ish American Anglican.

And I agree with the Anglican thinking that Anglicanism is a via media, a middle way between Protestantism and Catholicism.

But usually whan I say “Protestant” I mean it as an all-inclusive term for every Christian who is not Catholic or Orthodox. I.e., I am not Catholic or Orthodox, therefore I must be Protestant. But I still think Catholics and Orthodox each have some things more right than Protestants do.
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I am guilty of it sometimes. 😛

I try to address the denomination(s) with the correct term…Lutheran, Anglican, etc. Protestant is way to vague to actually point to a certain faith. It is more a a group rather than faith. :twocents:

Thanks for reminding me 👍
 
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It’s a great thread and I am reading through this to be more on target with non Catholic posters. It’s difficult though when you’re Catholic for I’m most familiar with the Lutheran
Church however the beliefs among the various synods ELCA and LCMS I am most familar with are very different.

What would be the best way to address this issue when posting a thread. I know nothing of the differences between all different denominations nor could I keep up.

I concur most Catholics think either Catholic in union with Rome or Protestant not
in union with Rome.

Mary.
 
Lots of motley crews out there. Always good to be careful in assumptions.

GKC
Making mental note to but GKC a motley crew Tshirt for a gift…LOL…
sorry off topic but I love that:)
Mary.
 
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