What's an ethical alternative to abortion for women who can't afford health care?

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francisca said:
Roe v Wade was a long time ago. Nowadays our culture is different compared to then.
Your central argument is only “the number will drop once it is illegal”. But the statistic you showed me isn’t relialbe. I have answered the statistics you showed me before.

The jump (the sudden increase of number) from then to now may due to the increase of permissive culture, and not because it is legal. Besides, compared to before Roe vs Wade, the number of womans death now is lower. Still under-reported in the time when it was illegal was great as I showed you that there are ways that doesn’t need surgery to abort a pregnancy and death may be reported as suicide.
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Give it up, Francesca. You are wrong, and everyone here but you sees that. You are holding on to a false belief. Statistics don’t lie.
 
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EXCUSES FOR VOTING FOR PRO-ABORTION POLITICIANS
  1. National Republicans aren’t “really” pro-life, so it’s okay if I vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
  2. Specific candidate isn’t “really” pro-life, or I don’t believe his supposed change of belief, so it’s okay if I vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
  3. My deacon/priest/bishop/cardinal told me or wrote me a letter telling me it was okay to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  4. I’m not a one-issue voter, so I can ignore the Church’s teaching and vote for the virulently pro-abortion politician.
  5. Republicans (at any level) have not passed enough pro-life laws (as decided by me), so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  6. Republicans (at any level) have not had enough success on pro-life issues (as decided by me), so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  7. Roe vs. Wade is still the law of the land even though most Supreme Court justices were appointed by the Republicans, therefore Republicans aren’t serious about abortion, so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  8. I found a Church document that mentioned proportionate reasons in voting, so I personally judged support for a higher minimum wage (or other social justice cause) was on equal footing with abortion, and I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  9. I personally believe that Democratic policies will reduce abortions, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  10. We can’t do anything about abortion until we change the hearts and minds of the people, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  11. You can’t legislate morality, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  12. People will still have abortions even if you make them illegal, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  13. We can’t end abortion until we address the root causes, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  14. I can’t impose my beliefs on other people, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  15. There isn’t any difference between the parties, so it is okay for me to vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
  16. The Pro-Life movement is in the tank for the Republican party (even though all pro-life legislation has had the overwhelming support of Republicans and overwhelming opposition from Democrats), so it’s okay for me to vote for the virulently pro-abortion party
  17. All people sin, so we’re all really “Cafeteria Catholics”, so it’s okay for me to vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
  18. Dominionists attend GOP rallies so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician
  19. The Pope believe in Global warming(or more liberal immigration laws), the Pro-life candidate does not so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician
 
francisca said:
Roe v Wade was a long time ago. Nowadays our culture is different compared to then.
Your central argument is only “the number will drop once it is illegal”. But the statistic you showed me isn’t relialbe. I have answered the statistics you showed me before.

The jump (the sudden increase of number) from then to now may due to the increase of permissive culture, and not because it is legal. Besides, compared to before Roe vs Wade, the number of womans death now is lower. Still under-reported in the time when it was illegal was great as I showed you that there are ways that doesn’t need surgery to abort a pregnancy and death may be reported as suicide.
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EXCUSES FOR VOTING FOR PRO-ABORTION POLITICIANS
  1. National Republicans aren’t “really” pro-life, so it’s okay if I vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
  2. Specific candidate isn’t “really” pro-life, or I don’t believe his supposed change of belief, so it’s okay if I vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
  3. My deacon/priest/bishop/cardinal told me or wrote me a letter telling me it was okay to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  4. I’m not a one-issue voter, so I can ignore the Church’s teaching and vote for the virulently pro-abortion politician.
  5. Republicans (at any level) have not passed enough pro-life laws (as decided by me), so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  6. Republicans (at any level) have not had enough success on pro-life issues (as decided by me), so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  7. Roe vs. Wade is still the law of the land even though most Supreme Court justices were appointed by the Republicans, therefore Republicans aren’t serious about abortion, so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  8. I found a Church document that mentioned proportionate reasons in voting, so I personally judged support for a higher minimum wage (or other social justice cause) was on equal footing with abortion, and I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  9. I personally believe that Democratic policies will reduce abortions, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  10. We can’t do anything about abortion until we change the hearts and minds of the people, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  11. You can’t legislate morality, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  12. People will still have abortions even if you make them illegal, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  13. We can’t end abortion until we address the root causes, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  14. I can’t impose my beliefs on other people, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  15. There isn’t any difference between the parties, so it is okay for me to vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
  16. The Pro-Life movement is in the tank for the Republican party (even though all pro-life legislation has had the overwhelming support of Republicans and overwhelming opposition from Democrats), so it’s okay for me to vote for the virulently pro-abortion party
  17. All people sin, so we’re all really “Cafeteria Catholics”, so it’s okay for me to vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
  18. Dominionists attend GOP rallies so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician
  19. The Pope believe in Global warming(or more liberal immigration laws), the Pro-life candidate does not so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician
 
francisca said:
You only assume that after you illegalize abortion, then the number of death will be less.
So therefore you think you’re giving legal protection to the unborn by illegalizing abortion.
What if the number of death remain the same or even more than when it is legal?
Will you still think you’re giving some legal protection to the fetus? How about he mother, will her death be counted?
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You are ducking again.
The unborn child is fully human.
The unborn child is alive.
Yet you demand we do not legally protect this human being.
We offer legal protection to other humans.
Why not the most innocent of all of us. The unborn.

You claim to be pro life. But you refuse to provide the unborn the same dignity and respect provided to other humans.

This is not behavior of a pro life individual.
Rather it is behavior of one that supports abortion.

What exactly are you. Pro life or not?
Why can’t the unborn be protected?
 
Regina7 said:
Give it up, Francesca. You are wrong, and everyone here but you sees that. You are holding on to a false belief. Statistics don’t lie.
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Ok, so based on the statistic you believe,
  1. how many drop in term of number/ percentage of abortion cases you expect from the act of illegalizing abortion?
  2. How many increase/ decrease of womens death you expect from illegalizing abortion?
 
francisca said:
Ok, so based on the statistic you believe,
  1. how many drop in term of number/ percentage of abortion cases you expect from the act of illegalizing abortion?
  2. How many increase/ decrease of womens death you expect from illegalizing abortion?
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Why do you keep focusing on women’s deaths? WHAT ABOUT THE BABIES???

I already sent links to the statistics.
 
francisca said:
Well, if PP provide other services for women’s health (non-abortion services), then I want this to be able to continue. I read that abortion is a small portion of what they do.
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The money can to to the more numerous clinics that actually offer comprehensive services. When you look at the facts, PP is not the only nor best way to provide care.

 
I would like to accomodate the opinion that abortion cases will not increase after illegalization, on the note that this demands attention to:
  • illegalization of researches that give economic value to fetus body parts, to prevent market demands
  • porn campaign restriction/ counter campaign against porn & adultery/ social-moral improvement
  • monitor “the total number of women’s death-while-pregnant regardless cause” as an alert on the increase/ decrease of abortion-attempts-resulting-death through malpractices, home-made substance abuse, and other means, that may disguise abortion-attempt deaths as suicide/ accident.
Until now I still am convinced that the number of women’s death will absolutely increase significantly, while the number of abortion cases won’t go down so significantly, should illegalization is done without any attention to the above.
 
francisca said:
I would like to accomodate the opinion that abortion cases will not increase after illegalization, on the note that this demands attention to:
  • illegalization of researches that give economic value to fetus body parts, to prevent market demands
  • porn campaign restriction/ counter campaign against porn & adultery/ social-moral improvement
  • monitor “the total number of women’s death-while-pregnant regardless cause” as an alert on the increase/ decrease of abortion-attempts-resulting-death through malpractices, home-made substance abuse, and other means, that may disguise abortion-attempt deaths as suicide/ accident.
Until now I still am convinced that the number of women’s death will absolutely increase significantly, while the number of abortion cases won’t go down so significantly, should illegalization is done without any attention to the above.
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People Have rationalized supporting evil since Cain killed Abel
 
Until now I still am convinced that the number of women’s death will absolutely increase significantly, while the number of abortion cases won’t go down so significantly, should illegalization is done without any attention to the above.
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these are not truth.
These are lies we tell ourselves to keep abortion legal.
They are lies we tell ourselves to keep from facing the horrible truth. That we value innocent lives less then we value our own quality of life.
That we will say anything to ourselves to keep this option open should we have to murder someone rather then accept the consequences of our actions.

Any port in a storm.
How long can the lie hold against the onslaught of truth.
Will it fall before God’s judgement?
Will it stand before God and then march away to condemnation?
 
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