What's going to replace sex in our society

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How much sex can get crammed into society? Will the sexual revolution last indefinitely, or is there optimism that it will give way to some other vice or perhaps even virtue. I personally believe that spiritual rewards are going to tame the sexual revolution, and provide much more pleasure than the lowly and primitive orgasm.
 
The Catholic Church will. The beauty and restoration of the Sacred, the living out of heroic and virtous Catholic Christian lives etc.

In short, Catholics are called to live countercultural.
 
I still believe there is going to be a Victorian revival. Pretty soon people are going to get sick of this Instant Gratification and saturated sex culture. People are going to find prudishness and modesty will be wildly popular…as my grandfather would say “…the pendulum always swings back.”
 
I won’t get upset with the Catholic Church for teaching. That is what she does. I also accept that is her mission as given by her Lord and Savior.

And I know what I’m about to say may not be popular on here, and it’s not me trying to teach a heresy within the Church. It’s just my own personal feeling: By and large I really don’t care what others do.

I don’t really care if a married couple are swingers and they feel their lives are enriched by it. I don’t care if turns out the other way and the couple feels it destroyed their marriage - or bodies with incurable STD’s.

What I find interesting is how many people in the United States care if I (or others) do X, Y, or Z.

If I vow celibacy what business is it of you the non-me?

Unless someone is harming someone else I don’t think I really care what they do. If a person acquires an STD or is beaten half to death attempting to break into a store ATM… I’d like to see them relieved of their suffering. Like doctors and nurses try to do. I’ll leave their souls to God.

Frankly, I think most of society, or at least most of my city, is made up of a bunch of degenerates. Well… more or less but not everyone and not everyone to the same degree.
 
Society will replace sex when it sees just how mediocre and apathetic this day and age is. mediocritty will do us in…
 
Maybe video games will give us an endorphin rush?

Or some kind of neural implant that directly stimulates the pleasure centers of our brains.

Or combining those two themes, there was an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation where everybody got hooked on a highly addictive virtual reality game that turned the crew into mind-numbed zombies… all except for Wesley Crusher! And then Data showed up with a flashing strobe light or something which snapped everybody out of it.

Problem with my theory is that video games these days are less addictive than they used to be… all of these 3rd person shooters can’t compare with the likes of Galaga or Pac Man.
 
I won’t get upset with the Catholic Church for teaching. That is what she does. I also accept that is her mission as given by her Lord and Savior.

And I know what I’m about to say may not be popular on here, and it’s not me trying to teach a heresy within the Church. It’s just my own personal feeling: By and large I really don’t care what others do.

I don’t really care if a married couple are swingers and they feel their lives are enriched by it. I don’t care if turns out the other way and the couple feels it destroyed their marriage - or bodies with incurable STD’s.

What I find interesting is how many people in the United States care if I (or others) do X, Y, or Z.

If I vow celibacy what business is it of you the non-me?

Unless someone is harming someone else I don’t think I really care what they do. If a person acquires an STD or is beaten half to death attempting to break into a store ATM… I’d like to see them relieved of their suffering. Like doctors and nurses try to do. I’ll leave their souls to God.

Frankly, I think most of society, or at least most of my city, is made up of a bunch of degenerates. Well… more or less but not everyone and not everyone to the same degree.
Hi Time Entrance! I DID just want to explain that Catholics believe that EACH soul (no matter their denomination or religion or what they believe) is connected spiritually in the Mystical Body of Christ. It is not a myth…when one of us slips up or loses our way, the ENTIRE body suffers. Christ referred to us as a body with different functions. If a toe is severed, the WHOLE body is thrown out of whack, so to speak…such is also the case when a person gives their LIFE as a martyr. That is strengthening ALL of us. Whether you like it or not, we’re all brothers and sisters in Christ because He created us all to support each other…to pray for one another. So if that sounds “hokey”, ask a local priest to explain it better, because there’s SUCH RICHNESS I wouldn’t want you to miss out on the beauty and also the struggle of the Church Militant (that’s us, here one earth)

God Bless!
 
Maybe video games will give us an endorphin rush?

Or some kind of neural implant that directly stimulates the pleasure centers of our brains.

Or combining those two themes, there was an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation where everybody got hooked on a highly addictive virtual reality game that turned the crew into mind-numbed zombies… all except for Wesley Crusher! And then Data showed up with a flashing strobe light or something which snapped everybody out of it.

Problem with my theory is that video games these days are less addictive than they used to be… all of these 3rd person shooters can’t compare with the likes of Galaga or Pac Man.
I’m not sure about RPGs though… 😉
 
I’m not sure about RPGs though… 😉
True, especially some of the new freeware ones, which combine 16-bit artwork with modern innovations and top-notch storytelling… 👍👍

Oops. :o

Well, there are two obvious answers: technological advances (in particular, furtherance of existing trends involving social networking and wireless communication), and good old-fashioned Catholicism. No points for guessing which one I favour, since I never did get the fascination with mobile phones anyway 😃
 
True, especially some of the new freeware ones, which combine 16-bit artwork with modern innovations and top-notch storytelling… 👍👍

Oops. :o

Well, there are two obvious answers: technological advances (in particular, furtherance of existing trends involving social networking and wireless communication), and good old-fashioned Catholicism. No points for guessing which one I favour, since I never did get the fascination with mobile phones anyway 😃
Starting from Final Fantasy Tactics, to Rush On Seven Episodes online, to the RPGs of today. 😉

I’m thinking both old-fashioned Catholicism combined with the new media. 🙂
 
St Augustine was sexually deprived. We believe his mother, St Monica, prayers for him changed him.

Now, we think that we’ve pushed the boundaries of sex in this wave. If you look at art, writings, and other historical clues, we’re kinda prude. In the book of Leviticus, bestiality, necrophillia, and sexual slavery are all mentioned as bad. These are also mentioned again in the last chapters of the Bible (I forget the chapters…but they are mentioned several times).

Now mythology like Centurions (half horse, half human) are the result of bestiality fantasy. Our God leads us away from this and urges us to shed our animal desires to become divine through sexual mastery, instead of sexual deviancy (bestiality).

Neceophillia shows itself in the mythology of vampires. Instead of saying the deprived act of having sex with the dead (undead) they romanticized this through vampires. Actual acts were more of the rape and have sex with the dead rape victims.

Even as late as 1800’s St Nicolas is a patron saint of saving young girls from sexual slavery. He did so by giving the parents money so that they did not have to sell their daughters. Today in many parts of the world ( Cambodia, Thiland, Mexico, Italy, & yes USA) sexual slavery is still problematic. St. Nicolas, pray for us. St. Augustine, pray for us, St. Monica, pray for us!!!
 
How much sex can get crammed into society? Will the sexual revolution last indefinitely, or is there optimism that it will give way to some other vice or perhaps even virtue. I personally believe that spiritual rewards are going to tame the sexual revolution, and provide much more pleasure than the lowly and primitive orgasm.
We are very immature, as a nation, as a culture. We really don’t consider it but Ibelieve it is true. We are a post WWll urban society with access to technology and media like crazy… information overload, over stimulated. (Does anyone under 30 pause and reflect anymore?) The temptations are great. The ‘perceived’ risks are minimal. The question really is… will we ever mature… there’s an old joke that ‘men are like government bonds… they never mature’… ha ha… anyway… Catholicism is very mature… but we have lost our ‘critical mass’… I think (I’m guessing from an old stat I saw) that in 1964, practicing Catholics were about 60% of the US population. Now we are way outnumbered and we’re not handling it very well. We long for the days when everyone was like us (birds of a feather…) So back to the question, will we ever mature, as a nation… yes, eventually, I would not care to speculate on when, but it is inevitible… thanks be to God. Jesus commissioned the Holy Spirit to do greater works on his behalf, greater than even he did…

I hope there is a saturation point because I don’t foresee any lack of supply or demand. The best bet is they (those who imbibe in promiscuity, infidelity and pornography etc.) will become complacent with it. But, Love is what we are all seeking. Unconditional love. And we are duped into thinking we can find it via ‘sex’. Satisfying sex is a derivitive of true love. Marital love. Otherwise, the desire will forever remain unquenched. Wanting love is not bad. Understanding how to satisfy the desire is at a much higher level. Sex without true love is not satisfying. Understandably, people confuse objectification or subjugation to mutual surrender and unconditional love. The differences can be subtle.

Meanwhile, sex sells, and we live in a commercial society. Don’t watch the TV shows, read the magazines or go to the movies that condone this stuff. Don’t support the advertisers. It’s all about money (supply and demand). Cut the money, kill the product.

Tune In - to the Holy Spirit, Turn On to Jesus Christ, Drop Out of the culture of death…
 
We are very immature, as a nation, as a culture. We really don’t consider it but Ibelieve it is true. We are a post WWll urban society with access to technology and media like crazy… information overload, over stimulated. (Does anyone under 30 pause and reflect anymore?) The temptations are great. The ‘perceived’ risks are minimal. The question really is… will we ever mature… there’s an old joke that ‘men are like government bonds… they never mature’… ha ha… anyway… Catholicism is very mature… but we have lost our ‘critical mass’… I think (I’m guessing from an old stat I saw) that in 1964, practicing Catholics were about 60% of the US population. Now we are way outnumbered and we’re not handling it very well. We long for the days when everyone was like us (birds of a feather…) So back to the question, will we ever mature, as a nation… yes, eventually, I would not care to speculate on when, but it is inevitible… thanks be to God. Jesus commissioned the Holy Spirit to do greater works on his behalf, greater than even he did…

I hope there is a saturation point because I don’t foresee any lack of supply or demand. The best bet is they (those who imbibe in promiscuity, infidelity and pornography etc.) will become complacent with it. But, Love is what we are all seeking. Unconditional love. And we are duped into thinking we can find it via ‘sex’. Satisfying sex is a derivitive of true love. Marital love. Otherwise, the desire will forever remain unquenched. Wanting love is not bad. Understanding how to satisfy the desire is at a much higher level. Sex without true love is not satisfying. Understandably, people confuse objectification or subjugation to mutual surrender and unconditional love. The differences can be subtle.

Meanwhile, sex sells, and we live in a commercial society. Don’t watch the TV shows, read the magazines or go to the movies that condone this stuff. Don’t support the advertisers. It’s all about money (supply and demand). Cut the money, kill the product.

Tune In - to the Holy Spirit, Turn On to Jesus Christ, Drop Out of the culture of death…
Thanks for your honesty in your post!
 
I don’t really care if a married couple are swingers and they feel their lives are enriched by it. I don’t care if turns out the other way and the couple feels it destroyed their marriage - or bodies with incurable STD’s.
I do not completely buy into the notion of “I’m not hurting anyone but myself.” No matter what you do, it always affects someone else. If one party has an STD you affect the other person by the risk of transmitting it. If a married person has an affair, he/she hurts her family. Even if two unmarried non-STD people have a sexual relationship if affects society as a whole by contributing to the overall decline of morals (assuming society still believes in the concept of morals :rolleyes:)

Yes, one should get one’s own house in order first, but one should not act oblivious to others either.
 
How much sex can get crammed into society? Will the sexual revolution last indefinitely, or is there optimism that it will give way to some other vice or perhaps even virtue. I personally believe that spiritual rewards are going to tame the sexual revolution, and provide much more pleasure than the lowly and primitive orgasm.
I was there at the start and aside from orgasms. illegal drugs, and temporary or meaningless relationships, there was the beginning of “radical individualism.” Or “I’ll do what I want and nobody can tell me what to do.” Throw in abortion and No-Fault Divorce, and what is the result?

Men and women who are now in their late 50’s and early 60’s can look back and see what was called Freedom with a capital F meant for them. Today, we have people of all ages looking around at the world and they are hungry for something better. Atheists, former employees of abortion clinics, Anglicans - all seeking a life, and a belief system, that is better than what we have now. They are finding the truth in the Catholic Church. The same truth that was ignored for 40 years because other people told them they had something better. Something they kept calling freedom or liberation. They know, deep in their hearts, that they were lied to.

So, all the marijuana, all the hash, all the sex, booze and multiple divorces got them where?

In the 1950s and 1960s, our Federal government’s biggest concern was the Communists, meaning the former Soviet Union. They had nuclear missiles and we had nuclear missiles. No one else did at the time. But our government made it a point to tell us on a regular basis that we were in a struggle with “Godless Communism.” Religion was referred to as “the opiate of the masses,” meaning that it was just a bunch of rituals and fairy tales that made us feel good. It wasn’t real. So, starting in the late 1960s and with the opening of the first Adult Bookstore, porn became the new opiate of the masses, along with illegal drugs. That was going to replace religion in our lives and make us feel good.

That was all temporary, and the end result was a life that was good for no one, or society in general. They tried this, done that, bought the T-shirt and they wasted their time.

There will be a return to real caring and commitment, to what love really means. And to what it means to be a member of a society that works. Where we are and have real neighbors, not a community of strangers. Pope Benedict has given us the real answers regarding where we should be heading by telling us how our current society is not working and what needs to change.

"The Holy Father says:
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"If we cannot have common values, common truths, sufficient communication on the essentials of human life–how to live, how to respond to the great challenges of human life–then true society becomes impossible."
Source: Practical Catholic, which explains further:

"How true this is. Where there is no communication, no culture, no shared experience, there is no society; because there is no people. There remains only a vast and foreboding, unforgiving sea of individuals ready to crash upon each other and the world with the slightest wind. Without a common basis, we have not the vaulted pluralism we’re taught to embrace, but Babel, in all the confusion and madness of a society with no binding forces. Already we are seeing the tensions of this fragmentation breaking out across cultures.

“Without common values and truths, such as in the societies we find ourselves in, we find the fabric of society torn like Joseph’s cloak, by a great many tribes which would like to lay claim to the title of favored. Leftists, conservatives, anarchists, nihilists, secularists, objectivists, the shallow, the entertainers, the entertained, all vying for control against each other. Tribalism can indeed spawn differentiation, but without some common ground, and in the face of increasing jargon not only in the academies but in the cultures; we shall be left with madness. In the end this tribalism can only result in the decline of all their claims, and the alienation of one from the other. Babel is the happenstance when society tries to become God.”

Change is happening right now. We are today’s counterculture, regardless of age. We are and will continue to see good fruit when God is seen as God, the truth-giver, and His Church on earth, guided by the Holy Spirit, helping to guide us as we move into the future.

Sex will be replaced with real love and real commitment.

Peace,
Ed
 
I do not completely buy into the notion of “I’m not hurting anyone but myself.” No matter what you do, it always affects someone else. If one party has an STD you affect the other person by the risk of transmitting it. If a married person has an affair, he/she hurts her family. Even if two unmarried non-STD people have a sexual relationship if affects society as a whole by contributing to the overall decline of morals (assuming society still believes in the concept of morals :rolleyes:)

Yes, one should get one’s own house in order first, but one should not act oblivious to others either.
You are right in much of that. But from my perspective I don’t know where one draws the demarcation at for what is tolerated in society and what is not? A lot of our lifestyle in the United States doesn’t particularly respect the “Temple of God.” Gluttony is supposed to be one of the deadly sins but even the conservative right shrugs that off to moralize about sexual promiscuity.

I lost a good friend to diabetes as a result of his obesity but I’ve yet lost a close friend to HIV.

And I must admit I’ve seen Buddhists, Muslims, atheists, liberal Catholics, conservative Catholics, Protestants of all denominations, married swingers, gay people et cetera all that have appeared to be pretty happy people.

And I’ve seen other people under all those respective identities that appeared to be pretty unhappy.

And so far as I can tell if everyone on earth followed orthodox Catholic values there would still be a significant number of people depressed and living crushed under tragedy. For one thing… abject poverty (not relative poverty) would still exist under politically and socially conservative Catholic lay rule. And it’s fair to reason the physical and psychological misery of those persons - even if in the millions - would not impact them as a single married couple that had an “open relationship” (i.e., having sex with other people).

And similar goes for liberals. I’ve had liberals online literally hate me because I did not indulge in there every conversation about who just had promiscuous sex. That along with the fact that I made it known I have been considering committing to a celibate life. This outrageous some. And bear in mind they’ll support promiscuous homosexual sex - even though in the City of Milwaukee close to 50% (statistically) of the black males that have had sex with another male supposedly have HIV.

It appears to me very few people in the world can be happy just living their life based upon, and perusing their own conception of good. They find happiness in the goal and jihad over indoctrinating others with their perception of the good.

But as I understand it we all answer to God alone.

Plus, I have to many of my own problems and own goals in life.

My only real jihad today is against biological/genetic determinism.
 
How much sex can get crammed into society? Will the sexual revolution last indefinitely, or is there optimism that it will give way to some other vice or perhaps even virtue. I personally believe that spiritual rewards are going to tame the sexual revolution, and provide much more pleasure than the lowly and primitive orgasm.
There is a biological desire to have sex. Nothing will ever be able to replace it.
 
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