What's the difference between Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses?

[ChristianAD]

I was once involved in a short discussion with a JW. I asked since we both agree there is only one God, then why does God need a proper name like Jehovah at all, what other Gods are there to distinguish God of Jehovah from?

She too became frustrated and began to deflect as Mr AD has.

I have the impression that cultists just memorise answers to commonly asked questions, their theology is a mile wide and an inch deep.

When you go off the script they often become frustrated and clam up.

Frustrated about how. I can read the bible, and honor the words of GOD…Here we go again…

Exodus 3:15 God said moreover to Moses, "You shall tell the children of Israel this, ‘Yahweh (YHWH), the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations.

If GOD gave you his name and it was in the Septuagint, and even Jesus acknowledged this and read from scrolls with YHWH name, why would man stop using it?

 

[ChristianAD]

I will post another thread, “what do you believe?”. We will see who actually believes in the word of GOD.

 

[pablope]

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MATT 7:13 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
New Living Translation

MATT 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Is the Word of God limited to the written word in the Bible?

And what do you understand by Sola Scriptura?

YES, I UNDERSTAND. JESUS STATED: MAN DOESN’T NOT SURVIVE ON BREAD ALONE BUT EVERY UTTERANCE FROM YHWH…/

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But nothing was written when Jesus said those words…so what could Jesus have been referring to then?

Or He could have been referring to the Word of God…the Logos…Jesus himself…which we Catholics received body, soul, blood and divinity in the Mass.

ARE YOU SAYING THIS SCRIPTURE IS NOT TRUTH?

Where did I say that?

No…I have not seen where God specifically said when the Sabbath would be celebrated.

But Christiand do not celebrate the Sabbath of the OT. Did Jesus not say there is a new covenant at the Last Supper?

So Christianity now celebrates a new Sabbath…on the day of Resurrection, or the Lord’s Day…as part of the new covenant.

THEIR IS TRUTH TO THIS STATEMENT, THAT WE ARE UNDER A NEW COVENANT, BUT EVEN THE SCRIPTURES REVEAL JESUS RESPECTED AND EVEN WENT TO THE FESTIVALS OF THAT TIME. DEFINITION OF CHRISTIAN IS “CHRIST LIKE”. ALSO JESUS DIED ON NISAN 14, SO YOU ARE NOT HONORING THE DAY HE ACTUALLY DIED. THAT WAS CHANGED AS WELL

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Did you read in the Bible that He gave the Apostles the authority to bind and loose? So we follow the Apostles, who started celebrating the breaking of bread on the day of Resurrection.

But Scriptures say to abide by also the oral traditions, not just the written traditions in the Bible.

But the Bible is a produce of Tradition…Sacred Tradition, that is, of the Catholic Church…to reflect its teachings…that is how the books were selected by Catholic bishops from among around 200 plus writings in circulation the first 400 yrs of Christianity.

MY POINT EXACTLY…AND NOW SOLA SCRITURA

Sola Scriptura is a product of protestantism…which you inherited from your protestant forbears…sometime around the 1500s…it was not practiced in the beginning.

Let me ask you…how can an ordinary early Christian rely on the bible alone…there were no printing presses, few knew how to read and write…and were on the run from roman persecution…did you forget this?

How does the Bible keep us in line with God? If we sin, does the Bible cause that or our free will is what caused that?

2 TIM 3:16 ALL SCRIPTURE IS INSPIRED OF GOD, AND BENEFICIAL FOR TEACHING, REPROVING, AND SETTING MATTERS STRAIGHT

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How does this passage answer my question?

Besides…you missed out on the first part of the passage…v14…14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it,

Meaning…know who you learned from…someone with Apostolic authority…not someone who claims to have had a vision sometime in the 1800s.

 

[TexanKnight]

I started explaining to you what I have actually studied for myself and scriptures I personally believe in or found undeniable. Then everyone instead of looking at the scriptures as GOD’s word want me to speak for the organization in order to validate the reason why you clinge to your Catholic faith. Maintaining that no matter what you do it is valid because Catholicism is oldest of the religions.

Lets just look at scriptures and eliminate the domination…

Everyone from Genesis let us research the first 7 chapters of Genesis…If you are serious about GOD? No interpretation just reading…

Ah…so you admit you do not belong on this thread?

Interesting. You want us to believe you understand the Bible yet you cannot understand the thread topic?

 

[kimg901]

I will post another thread, “what do you believe?”. We will see who actually believes in the word of GOD.

And what bible do you use?

 

[ChristianAD]

Wrong my friend…you answer is unbiblical.

This is the Biblical way:

1 John 4

1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

How does one test the spirit?

V6 gives the answer…6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[a] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

This is truth it is scripture…What spirit am I speaking from?

2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

I think you should be careful that you do not speak against the spirit of GOD. I will say this again test everything you hear against the scriptures ( 2 Tim 3:16)

 

[ChristianAD]

not at all. Your attack is a typical deflection.

He asked you a question. Instead of answering, you made a rather infantile comment.

Not surprising, but still worth commenting on

What question would you like me to direct my attention? The entire blog is asking questions?

 

[TexanKnight]

What question would you like me to direct my attention? The entire blog is asking questions?

Ah…so you admit you do not belong on this thread?

Interesting. You want us to believe you understand the Bible yet you cannot understand the thread topic?

 

[kimg901]

I wonder how long it will be before he says us Catholics are the church of the devil?

 

[ChristianAD]

Ah…so you admit you do not belong on this thread?

Interesting. You want us to believe you understand the Bible yet you cannot understand the thread topic?

None of you have studied with a witness nor a mormon, most of you have been born into Catholicism, and have never tried to research the history of religion.

 

[TexanKnight]

None of you have studied with a witness nor a mormon, most of you have been born into Catholicism, and have never tried to research the history of religion.

I was Mormon. You appear to have very little knowledge about anything

 

[kimg901]

I was Mormon. You appear to have very little knowledge about anything

I would add ignorance to your list TK.

 

[kimg901]

None of you have studied with a witness nor a mormon, most of you have been born into Catholicism, and have never tried to research the history of religion.

And if you truly did you would know that Christ left us His Church.

 

[ChristianAD]

I wonder how long it will be before he says us Catholics are the church of the devil?

John 3:16 States For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

This is what I believe…This is self explanatory…

I am just trying to get people to dust off their bibles read, and really understand where Christianity came from. It is an Eastern Religion, and to learn about the faithful men like Job or Abraham. How they worshipped God, and more importantly Jesus example.

 

[Robyn_p]

This is truth it is scripture…What spirit am I speaking from?

2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

I think you should be careful that you do not speak against the spirit of GOD. I will say this again test everything you hear against the scriptures ( 2 Tim 3:16)

My question Christian, and maybe we can continue this when you start your own thread, is how do you know the Scriptures, specifically the New Testament, are inspired by God? 2 Tim 3:16 doesn’t apply to the New Testament, because more than half of the NT wasn’t even written then, and it would still be hundreds of years before it was compiled into what we now know as the New Testament. So how can you be sure any of the New Testament is in fact the inspired and inerrant word of God?

And I believe you see, as well as I do, the problem with using a proof from the text itself. That’s what a lot of writings say; the Book of Mormon, the Koran, and the Hindu Vedas all claim to be inspired. Yet we don’t believe them. There has to be some authority outside the Bible then, that can decide this.

 

[andrewstx]

Frustrated about how. I can read the bible, and honor the words of GOD…Here we go again…

Exodus 3:15 God said moreover to Moses, "You shall tell the children of Israel this, ‘Yahweh (YHWH), the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations.

If GOD gave you his name and it was in the Septuagint, and even Jesus acknowledged this and read from scrolls with YHWH name, why would man stop using it?

I will just repeat the same question. Since there is only One God, why does he need a proper name? What other Gods do you have to distinguish him from?

Why Genesis chapter seven?

I was not raised an Orthodox Christian, I was raised in another cult the accapella southern “churches of Christ”, they said the were the only church containing the only Christians. They too ignored history good thing since they were only invented in 1906.

But they specialized in formal debates from their beginning. They insisted on setting the terms of the debate or declined to debate. Then acted surprised when they “won” the debates, by setting their own terms and conditions!

You obviously have your own reasons for setting the debated only on those few chapters of the O.T., and that is to attempt that God has a proper name and that is the only thing we should call or address God by.

Still I insist that unless you can come up with some other God it makes no or little difference.

I worship God, not a name.
I worship Jesus Christ in the Holy Trinity and not any book as God.

 

[ChristianAD]

And if you truly did you would know that Christ left us His Church.

Revelation 21 explains GOD is setting up a new heavens and a new earth the former things have passed away. You hold on to the term church rather than the word of GOD. I challenge you to read the bible word for word, and then tell me what you believe.

 

[andrewstx]

None of you have studied with a witness nor a mormon, most of you have been born into Catholicism, and have never tried to research the history of religion.

I too was a Mormon and have discussed (can’t really call it study) with JWs. I have studied church history most of my life.

JWs don’t study with anyone they lecture and once again set the terms of debate, if you don’t go along with them they withdraw.

 

[kimg901]

Revelation 21 explains GOD is setting up a new heavens and a new earth the former things have passed away. You hold on to the term church rather than the word of GOD. I challenge you to read the bible word for word, and then tell me what you believe.

I do read the Bible. Not everyday but 4 times a week. I believe in the Word of God which is the Bible. As the word “church” is in the Bible and Jesus said Peter, you are the Rock on which I will build my Church. So is this not the Word of God?

 

[kimg901]

John 3:16 States For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

This is what I believe…This is self explanatory…

I am just trying to get people to dust off their bibles read, and really understand where Christianity came from. It is an Eastern Religion, and to learn about the faithful men like Job or Abraham. How they worshipped God, and more importantly Jesus example.

Uh, we do worship the Father, Son & Holy Spirit. And of course it was started in the east, nothing new there.