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What's the difference between Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses?
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AD. When you have a minute, please respond to Post #105 & Post #119, thanks.
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ChristianAD
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I use all bibles…and compare them to the original writings…
dss.collections.imj.org.il/
aleppocodex.org/newsite/index.html
tanach.us/Tanach.xml#Home
Here is an interesting website about the orginal scroll/codecs…
eliyah.com/lxx.html
biblos.com/colossians/1-15.htm
Here are a few valid resources I peer into. I hope this helps. It is amazing to see how the Israelites viewed God, as well as the scrolls that Jesus and his Disciples used to study and read from.
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ChristianAD
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You will see Who’s authority it is, when you actually study for yourself and see the truth, and stop holding to to a subdivision of the body of Christ. Who cares what your denomination is God stated he would give his people one voice. Do you think it will matter what denomination you are when Jesus calls? Seek truth brothers and sisters. If what I am saying is not truth show me. I am simply just showing you the name of our Father in the Heavens. Just think our creator gave us his personal name…
Exodus 3:15
biblos.com/exodus/3-15.htm
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ChristianAD
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Why do you call Yeshua Jesus? Which Jesus would mean Joshua in Hebrew?
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kimg901
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I actually do think Jesus will care. If He didnt, why give us His Church. Thats the other post you havent commented on yet, #119.
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Kc906
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Actually, you are both correct and incorrect in your reference to Exodus 3:15. It is God Almighty that is speaking to Moses from the burning bush, but it is God the Son, not the Father. If you read Exodus 3 from the beginning, within the totality of sacred scripture and sacred tradition, you would see this.
2 And the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. 3 Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn. 4 So when* the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush** and said, “Moses, Moses!”*
So the “Angel of the Lord/YHWH” was the being in the bush, yet just 2 verses later Exodus tells us that YHWH himself called to Moses from the bush. Well, was it the Angel of YHWH or was it YHWH who was in the bush? Your answer is, BOTH, because they are one and the same!
As you are well aware, as a well versed student of the bible as you are, scripture cannot contradict scripture. So Moses was not mistaken/confused/lying when he said “the Angel of the Lord” appeared in the bush, and called this same being YHWH God a mere two verses later. He intentionally wrote it this way under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
God Bless
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Kc906
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I do not have the personal knowledge with regards to Yeshua and Jesus; my understanding is Jesus’ name in Hebrew is Yeshua. With regards to the Tetragrammaton, the name Jehovah was first recorded and used by the late thirteenth century by Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican Order, used it in his book Pugeo Fidei of the year 1270.
As such, the form “Jehovah” is of late medieval origin; it is a combination of the consonants of the Divine Name and the vowels attached to it by the Masoretes but belonging to an entirely different word.
The written language of Hebrew does not contain vowels in written form. So the language itself is the epitomy of Non-Sola Scriptura, since you have no way of 100% knowing how to pronounce most words without the help from someone who already had this knowledge beforehand. When the name Jehovah “was created,” they took the 4 Hebrew consonants (YHWH,) and combined them with the vowel points that were written in the Masoretic Text. If one were to research the Masoretes, you would find that they wrote down the vowel points for the words Adonai and Elohim that were replacing the Tetragrammaton in public life since the name was not spoken except by the Rabbi’s in private.
What Raymundus Martini did was take the 4 Hebrew consonants, include the vowels for a different word, and then transliterate this hybrid word. The Watchtower acknowledges that Yahweh is the more correct way, but they have retained the form “Jehovah” because of people’s “familiarity” with it since the 14th century (Kingdom Interlinear Translation p. 23)
Question, what does it mean when you say that one word is “more correct” than the other? And their reasoning for using the “less correct” name of Jehovah is that people are more familiar with it. I thought the Watchtower was concerned with teaching Bible truths? Obviously, they admit that Yahweh is the more correct way to speak the Tetragrammaton. Would you agree that they are continuing the “popular traditional name of Jehovah” over the more true name of Yahweh?
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Nicea325
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What nonsense! I took several undergrad courses involving World Religions and philosophies. You really sound naive.
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Feel free to answer at any time.
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It truly is mind blowing that He would do that. But what if He went even further!?!
What if God actually didn’t leave us orphans, didn’t leave us with a book and say, “Here you go, make sure you are able to understand all the little nuances of ancient languages and make sure you spend your entire life on this book, and then you can understand what I actually meant.” What if instead, He left us with an authoritative institution, so we can know what is the truth and be truly set free, and not have to rely on ourselves and our knowledge of ancient languages. If the stakes are so high, which they are, our eternal salvation depends on knowing the Truth, why would He give us such a difficult system? Where only a few people who can read and who have enough free time to devote their lives to deciphering the Scriptures, have access to the truth that sets one free? What if there was something more stable and accessible to all people in every nation, race, time and place?
What if He meant us to be joined together as One Body?(1 Cor 12) What if that body was his Church? (Eph 1:23)
What if that Church had the authority to forgive sins in his name? (Jn 20:20-23) What if that Church was actually the pillar and foundation of the truth?(1 Tim 3:15) What if God gave us a hierarchy made up of apostles and prophets and teachers, guiding us? So that we are no longer children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine.(Eph 4:11-14) What if, He was present in the Eucharist!? (Jn 6:54-56, 1 Cor 11) And now we can receive and be joined to the Creator of the entire universe in a way the OT prophets only dreamed of!
What if he REALLY left us all this?!? What if when He said the gates of hell would not prevail against this Church, he meant it. (Mt 16:18) What if that Church was still around today? Wouldn’t you want any of that? I do, which is why I am Catholic. It’s so freeing and awesome. I don’t have to guess and wonder why twenty different denominations reading the same scripture passage come up with twenty different interpretations. I can know the answer, because He left me a way to know for sure.
This system meets every need of the human person! We are not made to be solitary, every man for himself. He made us social beings, where we need one another. Wouldn’t it make sense that He would set up a system that would promote that part of us that He himself willed? Not undermine it, which is ultimately what Sola Scriptura does, it makes every man his own authority. That doesn’t fit with everything God did in the past.
You are correct, this has nothing to do with denominationalism, it’s about Truth. If God took the trouble to set up a Church, He must know what He’s doing. I’d personally rather stick with the system He set up.
He’s a LOT smarter than me. 
I know you’re probably thinking, that’s a lot of what ifs. I’m convinced it’s true, it fits with everything we see in the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, and what we see throughout the history of Christianity. You may not believe it, but it’s worth considering and taking a second look, is it not? I’m not saying for you to become Catholic, just consider maybe God really did leave us a foundation of truth, which the Bible itself testifies is not the scriptures alone, but the Church.
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zaffiroborant
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You have shown no commandment to use His name. All you do is assert that it is a commandment.
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zaffiroborant
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Expert in history and scripture that he is
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Miriam1947
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I love your sig line.
If the sky falls we shall catch larks.
And it shall be an exaltation of larks.
If the sky falls we shall catch larks.
And it shall be an exaltation of larks.
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adf417
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ChristianAD, peace be with you.
With every keystroke you type you have raise more questions than have provided answers which means you are not doing a very good job teaching the non-believers. I assume you agree we can learn only by asking questions but what good is a question if it is never answered. I know a person who is now a JWs because, as she said, “I could not get answers to my questions”. Surly you can see the counterproductive nature unanswered questions can be. BTW this person can’t seem to answer my questions now- quite ironic isn’t it?
I have many more questions of your faith which I think is the only I can learn but I don’t think raising more questions at this point is productive. It would be more productive if you would take your time and answer the questions that have been asked.
I am still looking for the people teaching “truth” prior to Russell in post #13 and also the question about worship in post #33.
These questions are real questions and if I am to consider the JW truth they are a “must for me” to be answered directly and without misdirection. There are many more question but for me, can we start with these please? If this is an unreasonable request then just disregard please.
Peace!!!
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ChristianAD,
I had a pretty long day but I am gleaning through the posts from earlier today. And it is something to think about…why do you choose to believe in a system that thinks it is right, it only coming about in around in the mid-1800 AD…your sources pretty much getting their salvo by being anti Catholic…don’t you think you are studying with bit of a slant??? I would prefer to learn the truth about an organization, not from somebody who has limited faith and education…
I don’t want to be part of any Lone Ranger Religion that gets itself pumped up thinking it is Christian and nobody else is…isn’t that the sin of presumption?..It is better to seek the truth, be humble and recognize Christ in every human being as He stands before each one of us…
I had a pretty long day but I am gleaning through the posts from earlier today. And it is something to think about…why do you choose to believe in a system that thinks it is right, it only coming about in around in the mid-1800 AD…your sources pretty much getting their salvo by being anti Catholic…don’t you think you are studying with bit of a slant??? I would prefer to learn the truth about an organization, not from somebody who has limited faith and education…
I don’t want to be part of any Lone Ranger Religion that gets itself pumped up thinking it is Christian and nobody else is…isn’t that the sin of presumption?..It is better to seek the truth, be humble and recognize Christ in every human being as He stands before each one of us…
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zaffiroborant
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You come off not only as “inconsiderate, puffed up as if you have all the answers” but also as belligerent, and unwilling to address any point other than those you come to the discussion with. You ignore 90% of what people post in favor of what you think are fundamental points. All the while posting scripture that neither addresses or bolster your points. You can pretend all you want that you are “a peasant and a student of scripture” but with every post you make a lie out of that statement.
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zaffiroborant
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People other than you, and those here read their bibles.
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