What's the most beautiful habit you've ever seen?

  • Thread starter Thread starter littletherese3
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
First of all, I may not understand what you meant by “the same tradition”. Does this mean that you are all from monasteries run by the Poor Clares? If so, why would each have different habits and practices?

Finally, why have you all left these monasteries (if the answer is not too personal) to form yet another, different “rule” of your own making? That is, was this your individual decisions, or were you each charged by your superiors in the east to establish this new convent?
K C;5222380:
Thank you, K C, for your questions and I assume, your concern for my vocation! I will try to answer your questions as you asked them.

First, when we refer to “tradition” or the “same tradition” we are usually referring to the religious family to which we belong. I am a part of the Franciscan family/tradition, more specifically, the Poor Clare tradition and even more specifically to the Federation of Poor Clares that have sprung from the communities established by Mother Magdalene Bentivoglio when she and her sister, Mother Constance, were asked by Pope Pius IX to bring the Poor Clare life to the US. The sisters wanted to live the original Rule written by St. Clare. We can trace our “ancestry” back to Assisi and Sr. Clare’s original community. So I guess we could say that this is our “tradition”.

So the four of us are from Poor Clare communities in the Holy Name Federation of Poor Clares. We don’t say from monasteries “run” by Poor Clares but rather from Poor Clare monasteries or from monasteries of Poor Clares. The process of creating a new monastery is similar to a call to religious life. The Scripture says that Jesus call us to follow him and I think it is in St. John’s First Letter where he says that it is not that we love God, but rather that God first loved us-even when we were still in sin. Well, the Poor Clares can’t just go to a diocese and set up a monastery. First the Bishop has to invite the Clares to the diocese. In our case, Bishop Anthony Milone (now retired) felt that the diocese was not complete because it did not have a contemplative community. He wrote to our Federation leadership and invited them to make a foundation. The Federation leadership came out to Montana twice to talk to Bishop Milone. Once the leadership decided that a foundation was possible, they took it to the Abbesses of our 11 monasteries. Each of the communities of the Federation had to approve the foundation. Any one who discerned that they were called to this new foundation in Montana had to get the permission of the Abbess and the community of her monastery.

So you see it was not an easy thing to do. When all of these things had taken place and there were 4 sisters who felt called to this new “adventure”, everything was documented and sent to Rome for approval. With that approval came permission to have a novitate and our own formation program. We are still not “canonically erected” since we are only 4 and need 8 sisters in community before that can happen. (We live as if that had already happened! We live the Poor Clare life that has been handed down to us over the almost 800 years the Order has been in existence.)

Each of our communities are autonomous which means that each community makes decisions that need to be made without contacting a “motherhouse”. We do have the Federation but that is not a decision making body per se. Because we are a Federation foundation, we have a responsibility to the Federation leadership until we are “canonically erected”. In fact, this fall the Federation President and Council will come out here to be with us at the time of our elections.

At the time of our elections in all of our communities there is a “visitation” either with the Bishop or his delegate who can be another Poor Clare or a Friar of the First Order. This is to ensure that each sister has a way to voice concerns, if she has them. It is also a way for us to reexamine that way we are living and to see if we are being faithful to the Church, the Gospel way of living and according to the Rule of St. Clare and the international Constitutions.

So, yes, there are differences in the communities simply because they are guided by the Holy Spirit and are all made up of very different personalities. For instance the community I came from was a foundation made from another community. These two communities have some similarities but even more differences yet the core of the life is the same. I could visit any one of our monasteries and be very much at home. I would have to learn how they do things, but I would know I was in a Poor Clare monastery. There are differences because of climate, geography and the culture in which the monastery is situated. For instance, we are unable to have Mass in the monastery each day. There just are not enough priests in the area to have our “own” priest! So we have to go to the different parishes in town just as all the Catholics here who want to go to daily Mass. It means that we are members of a parish and this has been a tremendous gift to us as a community. Yes, sometimes it is difficult because we would rather keep silence and have Mass in our own chapel. This is a type of poverty and obedience to reality. If we accept it as being obedient to God’s will for us at this time, I believe that it is an acceptible sacrifice given to God out of love.

I am afraid that I am writing a book here. I need to stop and go to Night Prayer. I hope this has helped you understand a bit of what I said in my earlier post. God bless you and give you peace.
Sr. Judith Ann
 
My daughter just mentioned she loves the “Sisters of Life” habits and the “Franciscan Sisters of the Renewal” (in it’s simplicity) She said the “Mother Angelica” ones make her feel claustophobic but she gets that from me. : ) I would suffocate!
I asked her if it was just superficial but she said, No, she was attracted to it and that made her look into it more. And she loved the youth of the women, sometimes the older orders, although very holy and welcoming, don’t have anyone young and you might not feel like you would fit in. I was surprised when she spoke of being a nun, her twin was the one that ws more spiritual when they were younger, but I will stay quiet and supportive and see what happens.

I remember for me, thinking of the clothes a bit too much at 14…I wanted to be a candy striper and help at the hospital, the interview went well, but toward the end, I asked what the uniforms looked like. When it was brushed off, I asked again and the nun told me maybe I should think of why I was doing it. 😊 I did want to help, but some fashion sense snuck in.
 
Hi:

The most beautiful habit I have seen is the burial shroud worn by deceased Secular Franciscans. I hope this counts;).

albertziggy;)
 
I would have to say Mother Angelica’s habit (or the Benedictine (?) version which has a crucifix necklace and no rope, but looks the same). Carmelites would come in 2nd.
 
Thank you, Sister, for that beautiful explanation! I found it fascinating. It is obvious that this new mission has been established in a very carefully planned manner and in an atmosphere of much prayer.

I hope that you will soon have your additional members and that you will be blessed with “your own” priest, who will say Mass for you within your community.

I think that the Sister I knew and to whom I referred was an exceptional case and I am glad that only a few end up alone as she did (physically, at least…I know that Jesus was always with her!). It is a blessing to the Church that we still have Sisters like you and your companions who are devoted and brave enough to take on the challenges of a new life in a completely different environment. May God continue to bless you all and to provide for all your needs!

Thank you for giving your lives to God through prayer so that the Church may flourish and grow!

Respectfully yours,
K C

P.S. I have always admired the Franciscans and the Poor Clares. The lives of St. Francis and St. Clare were so full of drama and inspiration for us all!
 
I would have to say Mother Angelica’s habit (or the Benedictine (?) version which has a crucifix necklace and no rope, but looks the same). Carmelites would come in 2nd.
I just looked up pictures of Mother Angelica. She is so cute!😛
And I love their habit
 
Sr. Judith Ann,

Since you travel to parishes for Mass, does this mean that you are not cloistered, even though the community is contemplative?

I have to say, I am surprised that a nun in a contemplative community is allowed to be online! Is that normal?

I am just beginning to discern a possible vocation to the contemplative life, and I’m very curious. 🙂
 
Here are some pictures I found of Contemplative Carmelite nuns, they are my absolute favorite! Can someone please clarify if this habit is exactly the same or close to the same as the one St. Therese wore? Thanks. I know these pictures might have come up weirdly, I’m not sure how to make them bigger.
 
Not monastic habits, but I’ve always liked the simple black robes of the Jesuits:

(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)

I think the circular black hats (as worn by the Jesuits in New France) are especially cool.

http://home.gwi.net/~hgosseli/canoe2.gif
 
Here are some pictures I found of Contemplative Carmelite nuns, they are my absolute favorite! Can someone please clarify if this habit is exactly the same or close to the same as the one St. Therese wore? Thanks. I know these pictures might have come up weirdly, I’m not sure how to make them bigger.
These pictures belong to the Traditional Carmelite Nuns in Colorado Springs, CO. They are a schismatic order, unfortunately. But, to answer your question, it’s close to the same habit that St. Therese wore. There are modern variations, and this order is one of them. St. Therese wore the French style habit:



As you can see, the veil in this picture is loose and flowing, and is usually held on by a pin.

Then you have the Spanish style:



The veil is secured with an elastic band.

Normally, these days, Carmelite nuns wear a modified veil to keep it out of their face while they are working. It tucks into the back of their habit and is angled around the face, as you can see with this picture:

http://www.sistersofcarmel.org/pics/vestment.jpg

But they also have formal veils that go over the modified veils while they are in the chapel, as seen here:

http://www.sistersofcarmel.org/pics/veilingday.jpg

Hope this helps! God bless. 🙂
 
These pictures belong to the Traditional Carmelite Nuns in Colorado Springs, CO. They are a schismatic order, unfortunately. But, to answer your question, it’s close to the same habit that St. Therese wore. There are modern variations, and this order is one of them. St. Therese wore the French style habit:

http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/religiousimages/b007St.Therese.jpg

As you can see, the veil in this picture is loose and flowing, and is usually held on by a pin.

Then you have the Spanish style:

carmelitasvalladolid.es - This website is for sale! - carmelitasvalladolid Resources and Information.

The veil is secured with an elastic band.

Normally, these days, Carmelite nuns wear a modified veil to keep it out of their face while they are working. It tucks into the back of their habit and is angled around the face, as you can see with this picture:

http://www.sistersofcarmel.org/pics/vestment.jpg

But they also have formal veils that go over the modified veils while they are in the chapel, as seen here:

http://www.sistersofcarmel.org/pics/veilingday.jpg

Hope this helps! God bless. 🙂
While I do not dispute the beauty of the Carmelite habit, this last photo must be one of their novices because the “dress” part of the “regular” Carmelite habit is dark brown or black.

In fact, this last photo looks exactly like my favorite habit…that of the Dominican Sisters! 👍 (And what a lovely photo it is!)
 
While I do not dispute the beauty of the Carmelite habit, this last photo must be one of their novices because the “dress” part of the “regular” Carmelite habit is dark brown or black.

In fact, this last photo looks exactly like my favorite habit…that of the Dominican Sisters! 👍 (And what a lovely photo it is!)
No, it’s the mantle that wraps around the habit. The front would be brown. Here is a better picture:

http://www.sistersofcarmel.org/pics/office.jpg

If the Sister was a novice, she would have a white veil. The picture is of a Carmelite nun on her veiling day as a perpetually professed Carmelite. 🙂
 
The Missionaries of Charity and The Sister Servants of the Holy Spirit of Perpetual Adoration (The Pink Sisters)
 
This wasn’t the most beautiful, but it was the most interesting. My sister-in-law was in an order, but she left before taking vows. However, she remained friends with them. This was in the Philippines. Last year when we were living with her here in California, one of the nuns came for a visit. She came in a habit that was the typical brown and white full on habit. However, when she was in the house she changed into a brown and white checked one. I just found it interesting.
 
More than one person (including me) have remarked that the garb of holy poverty can get rather expensive!
Here is the Orthodox monastic attire:
That’s why I always wondered why our Franciscan brothers here all wear polyester instead of the more traditional and earthy wool…because of their vow to poverty!

With regard to the Orthodox monastic attire…and other elaborate vestments…I for one approve of that, but only for priests, because really when priests wear those vestments, it is not THEM per se but them IN PERSONA CHRISTI, meaning that those vestments really are to decorate and glorify CHRIST, not the person of the priest…and to glorify the priesthood (again, not the priest). I had the blessing to attend a Latin Rite Mass and was astounded by the beauty of the vestments…it certainly encouraged awe and it added to the prayerful atmosphere. I remember St. Padre Pio in an interview about his hospital, why he was putting so much money into it when he, especially as a Franciscan, had a vow to poverty…it was because Christ was being treated in that hospital, and why should we not give everything to Him?

As for sisters’ habits…I understand why so many young women are attracted more to the orders with habits. It underlines a sense of unity in the community…this I experienced firsthand going to a Catholic all-girls’ school having to use a uniform 🙂 . It also does what St. Francis asks, to evangelize always, (and to only use words when necessary). And not to mention, “dying to yourself and to the world”. Christ gave us eyes to see, and habits certainly are one of those ways to witness His work!
 
While I do not dispute the beauty of the Carmelite habit, this last photo must be one of their novices because the “dress” part of the “regular” Carmelite habit is dark brown or black.

In fact, this last photo looks exactly like my favorite habit…that of the Dominican Sisters! 👍 (And what a lovely photo it is!)
The last photo the sister is turned with her back to the photographer, thus her brown tunic is not seen (it is under the white/cream cape). Carmelites have a cream colored choir cape they wear over their brown tunic, which is what you are seeing in that last photo. She appears to not be a novice, seeing as she has the black veil.
 
I am glad that you explained what you meant. I read the question incorrectly. Perhaps because I have worn that is called the “traditional” habit and know how expensive it was, I have a certain filter. We wore 5 years of wool serge year round. Anyone who knows fabric knows that wool is always more expensive. If cotton today runs in the $7 to $10 range I can imagine what the wool serge would cost today. It was not the clothing of the poor!

In reading the responses I even found orders/communities that I didn’t know existed!

When we began this new monastery, the four of us came from four different monasteries so we had to decide what we would wear. Each of our communities were slightly different in habit and veil so it was something we had to decide early on if we wanted to have the same habit.

Even though we were all from the same “tradition” we had to discuss most everything to find that way that we would express the charism in this new place. What worked on the East Coast where our monasteries were well established (some over 100 years old) did not necessarily translate seamlessly to Montana. So we did what St Clare did 800 years ago and what Mother Magdelen Bentivoglio did when she brought the Poor Clare life to the United States 150+ years ago. We went to the Gospel, the Rule of St. Clare and the international Constitutions.

I hope that this explains a bit about where I came from on the question.
Sr Judith Ann
*Thank You Sr Judith Ann for sharing.

I do hope that time will allow you to share more of the Poor Clares Journey and tradition here in the states. Many may not realize they have been here for 150+ years.
Blessings of Peace and All Good!*
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top