What's the Problem with Profanity?

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I have a friend from a strong Catholic background. His mother is the most incredible person I’ve ever met: a true mystic. Raised atheist in Communist Poland and brought into the Church by her grandmother, she performed for the Great Pope John Paul II of blessed memory twice. She fosters an intense yet almost unintentional devotion to the holy Eucharist. God is never out of her heart or mind.

Their house is adorned in icons and crucifixes. Their interactions are telling of their strong familial bonds.

My friend was homeschooled from a young age. He and his brothers were left to develop into themselves free of many of the pressures kids like me faced. His mother, always artistic and full of pyschological insight, encouraged them to individuate in this way.

As a result, my friend is well-mannered, kind, humble, self-confident, fun, and always open.

When his brothers and I were playing Monopoly at his house one night then, it was much to my surprise–and amusement–to hear him exclaim, “Damn!” at an unfavorable roll. His quiet, calm demeanor and soft and melodic voice robbed the profanity of any sting or piercing. He offered a thousand apologies, all of which I rejected. It was a mild slip-up, and I thought for him to curse was something like a toddler to swear. He simply was, and is, too immaculate for me to really regard it as being any big incident.

The more I’ve gotten to know him, the more I’ve realized this is not merely a one-time thing. It’s ingrained. Perhaps from his mother. But, once more, I find it hard to penalize such godly people with what seems to be such a minor shortcoming. He always cuts himself short and apologizes.

He has only once, I think, used a serious profanity–and his contrition was sincere.

One night he asked me what the problem with it was. I had never scolded him for it. I only laughed and found it relieving that he too had faults–unbeknownst to me beforehand. It seemed no dent to his character.

He said he couldn’t understand why it was wrong to curse when it was not at anyone’s expense or done in a solely joking manner.

Even though I’d never gotten on to him about it, and in fact encouraged him to be himself around me, I stood up for purity of speech. I said it encouraged negativity in thought and was a sign of immaturity, spiritually and socially. I said this to demean the use of profanity, not to disown him–which I’m afraid it must necessarily have done. He asked why words mattered so much. “What’s the difference,” he said, “between stubbing your toe and saying, ‘cr*p!’ instead of… well, you know?” I said it wasn’t so much about the words but the intention and the reality they expressed. Hence why cursing in a different language isn’t taken as seriously to someone who doesn’t speak that particular language. It’s all about the underlying meaning. He smiled and said something very, very bad in Polish, which made him blush and his brothers go wild. I laughed too. He thought for a minute and repeated some of my arguments to himself… “Hmm… well…”

He seemed to agree on some level. I wasn’t feeling victorious, though. I honestly felt like a prude. Like the puritanical fundamentalist I, after converting to Catholicism, no longer had any desire to be.

I admit, I later compensated for this. It seemed no big deal and brought a smile to his face.

I guess I don’t want to fee like I’m reverting to fundamentalism. What’s the big deal about saying mild things now and again, in jest or in situations where no one is defaced? I guess I’m struggling to balance wholesomeness and fun.

Any thoughts?
 
What do you mean by “reverting to fundamentalism”?

God bless,
Ed
 
I guess I don’t want to fee like I’m reverting to fundamentalism. What’s the big deal about saying mild things now and again, in jest or in situations where no one is defaced? I guess I’m struggling to balance wholesomeness and fun.

Any thoughts?
It’s not a huge deal, in that such words, if used out of mere thoughtlessness or habit, are venial and not mortal sins. But they do, as all sins do, offend God and weaken our relationship with Him. Venial sins are like flakes of snow landing on a tree branch - pile up enough of 'em and the branch breaks off. In other words constant venial sin makes us weaker and less able to resist mortal sins when they tempt us. That in itself is reason to avoid even venial sin like the plague.

The rationale behind not swearing goes something like this. Remember Jesus said ‘out of the mouth of a man come sins …’ - so what we say, even in jest, matters a great deal.

Then remember what you are actually saying when you use a d-bomb, you’re actually calling on God to send someone to hell. Not at all a nice thing to say even with the lightest or most joking of intentions.

And if you don’t mean it then why say it? There must be some reason behind using those particular words and not other unoffensives ones - is it done for shock value or something? If it’s a joke why make a joke out of those particular words and not use other jokes that are less offensive?

Finally God gave us the gifts of language and of speech, to be used for His purposes and not merely as it pleases us to use them. It behooves us to use them properly and with wisdom and discretion and not unthinkingly and in ways that offend Him. To speak vulgarly, without thinking, and without caring about offending God or others by what you say does NOT constitute good manners, regardless of your assertion to the contrary.

The ultimate question is ‘how am I giving glory to God by using this language’? If the answer, as in this case, is that you’re not, then there’s no reason to do it.
 
Kindly remind your friend that it is upon his tongue that he is able to receive the most precious body and blood of our Jesus Christ, and that he should keep his mouth free from vile language for the sake of our Lord.
 
To speak vulgarly, without thinking, and without caring about offending God or others by what you say does NOT constitute good manners, regardless of your assertion to the contrary.
Regardless of how high your standards might be, I assure you, you’d adore my friend and his manners and sweet disposition if you met him. He is simply lovable and kind. (Albeit perhaps a little confused here.) My guess is that the acquisition of certain words or phrases that tend to slip now and again were not intentional, and that his usage of such is purely habitual and not conscious.

Sigh… I understand. Thanks for the responses. I can’t foresee myself scolding him. I really can’t. I think for me the best thing I can try to do is set a good example and try to answer future questions like this when they arise.
 
Kindly remind your friend that it is upon his tongue that he is able to receive the most precious body and blood of our Jesus Christ, and that he should keep his mouth free from vile language for the sake of our Lord.

👍 That answer is more than sufficient by itself - another is, that our minds, souls & bodies are not ours, but the property of Christ.​

And, no sin is entirely private: the sins of each one of us weaken the entire Body of Christ. Sins of speech are sins, so, any sin of speech weakens the entire Body.
 
Regardless of how high your standards might be, I assure you, you’d adore my friend and his manners and sweet disposition if you met him. He is simply lovable and kind. (Albeit perhaps a little confused here.) My guess is that the acquisition of certain words or phrases that tend to slip now and again were not intentional, and that his usage of such is purely habitual and not conscious.

Sigh… I understand. Thanks for the responses. I can’t foresee myself scolding him. I really can’t. I think for me the best thing I can try to do is set a good example and try to answer future questions like this when they arise.
I can assure you I don’t adore people who swear and think it’s a joke, regardless of how well-behaved they are otherwise.

If anything, the better their behaviour in other respects, the more grating faults like swearing become on me.
 
I have a friend from a strong Catholic background. His mother is the most incredible person I’ve ever met: a true mystic. Raised atheist in Communist Poland and brought into the Church by her grandmother, she performed for the Great Pope John Paul II of blessed memory twice. She fosters an intense yet almost unintentional devotion to the holy Eucharist. God is never out of her heart or mind.

Their house is adorned in icons and crucifixes. Their interactions are telling of their strong familial bonds.

My friend was homeschooled from a young age. He and his brothers were left to develop into themselves free of many of the pressures kids like me faced. His mother, always artistic and full of pyschological insight, encouraged them to individuate in this way.

As a result, my friend is well-mannered, kind, humble, self-confident, fun, and always open.

When his brothers and I were playing Monopoly at his house one night then, it was much to my surprise–and amusement–to hear him exclaim, “Damn!” at an unfavorable roll. His quiet, calm demeanor and soft and melodic voice robbed the profanity of any sting or piercing. He offered a thousand apologies, all of which I rejected. It was a mild slip-up, and I thought for him to curse was something like a toddler to swear. He simply was, and is, too immaculate for me to really regard it as being any big incident.

The more I’ve gotten to know him, the more I’ve realized this is not merely a one-time thing. It’s ingrained. Perhaps from his mother. But, once more, I find it hard to penalize such godly people with what seems to be such a minor shortcoming. He always cuts himself short and apologizes.

He has only once, I think, used a serious profanity–and his contrition was sincere.

One night he asked me what the problem with it was. I had never scolded him for it. I only laughed and found it relieving that he too had faults–unbeknownst to me beforehand. It seemed no dent to his character.

He said he couldn’t understand why it was wrong to curse when it was not at anyone’s expense or done in a solely joking manner.

Even though I’d never gotten on to him about it, and in fact encouraged him to be himself around me, I stood up for purity of speech. I said it encouraged negativity in thought and was a sign of immaturity, spiritually and socially. I said this to demean the use of profanity, not to disown him–which I’m afraid it must necessarily have done. He asked why words mattered so much. “What’s the difference,” he said, “between stubbing your toe and saying, ‘cr*p!’ instead of… well, you know?” I said it wasn’t so much about the words but the intention and the reality they expressed. Hence why cursing in a different language isn’t taken as seriously to someone who doesn’t speak that particular language. It’s all about the underlying meaning. He smiled and said something very, very bad in Polish, which made him blush and his brothers go wild. I laughed too. He thought for a minute and repeated some of my arguments to himself… “Hmm… well…”

He seemed to agree on some level. I wasn’t feeling victorious, though. I honestly felt like a prude. Like the puritanical fundamentalist I, after converting to Catholicism, no longer had any desire to be.

I admit, I later compensated for this. It seemed no big deal and brought a smile to his face.

I guess I don’t want to fee like I’m reverting to fundamentalism. What’s the big deal about saying mild things now and again, in jest or in situations where no one is defaced? I guess I’m struggling to balance wholesomeness and fun.

Any thoughts?
It has appeared to me that some Catholic families dont pay attention to the foul language that their kids use. To me, as a person coming into the Church from a liberal protestant back ground where such language was not acceptable this has been very discouraging to hear.
Let you and the friend you want to see as innocent and pure study the ten commandments.
When you enter into the process of being converted by the Holy Spirit you begin to feel that filthy words cut in your soul and you cant bear to hear them anymore. This is not being a prude… its about internalising the world of Jesus and making His reality part of your reality and self: He calls us to purity and holiness. If your friend does not realise this then help him to… Its not an innocent thing. He should go to confession and resolve not to use such words again. Like any other exterior sin it damages everyone who listens to it in some way or another.
You speak through the eyes of love… and that is good. But you have to hate the sin while you love the sinner.
 
Profanity makes one sound immature, no doubt, at times.
I consider myself quite profane (more so than the average person), but see my type of profanity isn’t one that hurts another person. Most of what I say is in jest. I prefer “f’'ing” to “intercourse” and “sh…” to “****” and “bit…” to “idiot”. These are not blasphemies, but just slang terms. So what’s the problem with profanity? Nothing.

Saying the Lord’s name in vain – now that is something that makes me totally uncomfortable. Surely this is one of my biggest pet-peeves.

EDIT: C.R.A.P is banned, here?! What is this world turning into?!
 
Profanity makes one sound immature, no doubt, at times.
I consider myself quite profane (more so than the average person), but see my type of profanity isn’t one that hurts another person. Most of what I say is in jest. I prefer “f’'ing” to “intercourse” and “sh…” to “****” and “bit…” to “idiot”. These are not blasphemies, but just slang terms. So what’s the problem with profanity? Nothing.

Saying the Lord’s name in vain – now that is something that makes me totally uncomfortable. Surely this is one of my biggest pet-peeves.

EDIT: C.R.A.P is banned, here?! What is this world turning into?!
I agree. Profanity is not sinful in and of itself. It can be inappropriate given the occasion and audience. I’ve heard priests curse.

Blasphemy is a far different matter. Taking the Lord’s name in vain is gravely sinful, if done intentionally.

It is an oddity of our modern society that many would reprimand a child for saying F***! or Sh**!, but not J**** C*****! or G** D***!.

God Bless
 
Profanity makes one sound immature, no doubt, at times.
I consider myself quite profane (more so than the average person), but see my type of profanity isn’t one that hurts another person. Most of what I say is in jest. I prefer “f’'ing” to “intercourse” and “sh…” to “****” and “bit…” to “idiot”. These are not blasphemies, but just slang terms. So what’s the problem with profanity? Nothing.
I agree as well. If someone uses profanity to be abusive or offensive, then I believe it is a sin. I think profanity has a time and a place. For example, I play on Xbox Live. There is a very large amount of profane terms there, but everyone knows not to take it seriously. Sometimes when I am in the presense of other adults (other male adults, I don’t generally use profanity around women), it is appropiate. As long as you know when it is appropiate and when it isn’t, there is nothing wrong with using it.
 
I agree as well. If someone uses profanity to be abusive or offensive, then I believe it is a sin. I think profanity has a time and a place. For example, I play on Xbox Live. There is a very large amount of profane terms there, but everyone knows not to take it seriously. Sometimes when I am in the presense of other adults (other male adults, I don’t generally use profanity around women), it is appropiate. As long as you know when it is appropiate and when it isn’t, there is nothing wrong with using it.
Yet we are called to be in the world but not off the world.
I may be with people who throw out dirty jokes or slander others but I wont do it myself, my silence will be a testimony to them, and I will stand alone in front of God one day.
If by “profanity” you mean foul language then you should change and strive to be a role model to your male friends…They will respect you for it. Find alternative ways to be cool…
I always said: “I will see how a man really is by seeing how he is around his male friends, how he talks”…
I can’t imagine Jesus talking “profane” with his male friends. On the contrary the Bible says we will be judged on our every word.

I know the tongue is difficult to tame… but we are called to try.
🙂
 
I don’t mean that I lack self control when using it or that I use it “to be cool.” Here’s how I think of it: an exclaimation point makes an expression more intense (for lack of a better word). I think some profanity (when appropiate, and in moderation) can do the same thing. I know some poeple that can’t seem to control it, though. They build their sentences around these words and use them whenever they can. That’s not healthy.

I don’t think it’s necessary, but I think it has a time and a place when it can be used (never to insult others).
 
I don’t mean that I lack self control when using it or that I use it “to be cool.” Here’s how I think of it: an exclaimation point makes an expression more intense (for lack of a better word). I think some profanity (when appropiate, and in moderation) can do the same thing. I know some poeple that can’t seem to control it, though. They build their sentences around these words and use them whenever they can. That’s not healthy.

I don’t think it’s necessary, but I think it has a time and a place when it can be used (never to insult others).
Okay brother… I just hope you know what you are doing. We are called to be like children and if you say there are things you cant say infront of women then I get very sceptical.
This is also how it is: Jesus sees and hears everything. By reading many books by mystics I have understood that His Sacred Heart is ever so pure and sensitive to our words and actions… much more so than we can fathom.

Someone once said: speak only to bless.
I found that very beautiful… we all fail at times but we have to at least realise and admit what we are called to be… you know what that is…
 
Okay brother… I just hope you know what you are doing. We are called to be like children and if you say there are things you cant say infront of women then I get very sceptical.
This is also how it is: Jesus sees and hears everything. By reading many books by mystics I have understood that His Sacred Heart is ever so pure and sensitive to our words and actions… much more so than we can fathom.

Someone once said: speak only to bless.
I found that very beautiful… we all fail at times but we have to at least realise and admit what we are called to be… you know what that is…
Surely for most people, profanity is just a form of expression(as all language is). I refer here to particular incidents we all encounter in our everyday life, such as the first time you see your Dad hit his finger with a hammer(:p). I happened to see that the other day and my Dad, God love him, exclaimed a word I won’t type as it might offend someone. My point is that he exclaimed this to express his pain and anger. Even if he hadn’t said it, the emotion would still be there. It would just fester away until he expressed it some other way. Don’t get me wrong, I disagree with people using profanity to seem cool, and I certainly disagree with people using the Lords name in vain, but I don’t disagree with using a word to express an emotion.

On a different note I think the concept of “bad word” seems faintly ridiculous to begin with. How exactly is a word “bad”?
 
This is a Catholic not a secular forum. The answers that come from Catholic sources have validity. Any vagueness or “What’s the big deal?” comments do not remove the obligation of Catholics to watch what they say. We believe we will have to give an account of our words and actions at the last judgement. Nothing is hidden from God. Also, the Bible tells us that the same tongue that is used for praising God should not be used for cursing.

Please do not attempt to make “bad words” sound vague or trivial. Any 5 year old brought up in a Christian household knows what the bad words are.

Peace,
Ed

Give the devil an inch and he will take a mile.
 
I guess I don’t want to fee like I’m reverting to fundamentalism. What’s the big deal about saying mild things now and again, in jest or in situations where no one is defaced? I guess I’m struggling to balance wholesomeness and fun.

Any thoughts?
I know exactly what you mean, and I would like to type out some longer responses to certain things said above, but for now, check out these two questions instead, since they accurately represent my understanding of this matter:

Is profanity a mortal sin?
"Oh, My God?"

Then remember what you are actually saying when you use a d-bomb, you’re actually calling on God to send someone to hell.
The example used in the opening post, however, was that of playing Monopoly, and “exclaiming “Damn!” at an unfavorable roll”. Directing the phrase at an inanimate object or action is not the same as calling on God to send one of His children to Hell.
This is a Catholic not a secular forum. The answers that come from Catholic sources have validity.
Well then, you’re just gonna love my sources above… 🙂
 
This is a Catholic not a secular forum. The answers that come from Catholic sources have validity. Any vagueness or “What’s the big deal?” comments do not remove the obligation of Catholics to watch what they say. We believe we will have to give an account of our words and actions at the last judgement. Nothing is hidden from God. Also, the Bible tells us that the same tongue that is used for praising God should not be used for cursing.

Please do not attempt to make “bad words” sound vague or trivial. Any 5 year old brought up in a Christian household knows what the bad words are.
I was always under the impression that this was a forum that encouraged discussion and healthy debate. No? And I did not promote cursing. Maybe I didn’t make myself clear but I am against such uses of language because I see a difference between expression and blaspheme.

And I don’t think anyone, myself included, was trying to make, and it kills me to use the term, “bad words”, sound trivial. I was simply raising a point. I wasn’t using the “Whats the big deal?” argument I was asking how these words could be constituted as sinful when they are an expression of emotion in many cases. A knee-jerk emotion may I add.
 
Here is another way of looking at it.

Can you picture Pope John Paul II speaking this way? How about Mother Teresa. What do you think St. Therese of Lisseux would say under her breath when she was frustrated?

Does profanity glorify God. Does it give testimony to others around you that would help lead them to the Church by looking at your behavior?

Ask yourself these questions.

And let me tell you my experience.

I am a former atheist and was one for more than 20 years, from about age 19 to 43. Then I had a sudden miraculous and supernatural conversion. And when I say “sudden” I mean literally one breath I was a die-hard atheist and the next breath I was desperate to be a admitted into the Catholic Church.

As a atheist, I had developed some very, er, “colorful” ways of expressing surprise, frustration, joy and so on. I managed to sqeeze an unnecessary expletive into nearly every sentence. On a good day, my language was “R” rated.

After my conversion, and as a sign of my conversion I believe, I was instantly healed of this habit. From the moment of my conversion I have been unable to articulate profanity and actually find it painful to hear. This major change in me was immediately noticed by from friends and co-workers and prompted many questions.

So if God is willing to heal me of using profanity as a sign of my conversion, what does that say about others who appear to find no conflict between between speaking profanely and being Christ-like?
 
Here is another way of looking at it.

Can you picture Pope John Paul II speaking this way? How about Mother Teresa. What do you think St. Therese of Lisseux would say under her breath when she was frustrated?

Does profanity glorify God. Does it give testimony to others around you that would help lead them to the Church by looking at your behavior?

Ask yourself these questions.

And let me tell you my experience.

I am a former atheist and was one for more than 20 years, from about age 19 to 43. Then I had a sudden miraculous and supernatural conversion. And when I say “sudden” I mean literally one breath I was a die-hard atheist and the next breath I was desperate to be a admitted into the Catholic Church.

As a atheist, I had developed some very, er, “colorful” ways of expressing surprise, frustration, joy and so on. I managed to sqeeze an unnecessary expletive into nearly every sentence. On a good day, my language was “R” rated.

After my conversion, and as a sign of my conversion I believe, I was instantly healed of this habit. From the moment of my conversion I have been unable to articulate profanity and actually find it painful to hear. This major change in me was immediately noticed by from friends and co-workers and prompted many questions.

So if God is willing to heal me of using profanity as a sign of my conversion, what does that say about others who appear to find no conflict between between speaking profanely and being Christ-like?
Awesome!!
Great point too, finding it painful to even hear. It does wound the Body of Christ, and I do believe that when people think that it is okay under certain circumstances that they are only fooling themselves.
I do know people who have this bad habit of picking up whatever is popular and going on around them, that doesn’t make it right though.
Occasionally some people slip, however, it doesn’t mean that its a good thing to do in some places.
I try to keep in mind that God is always Present to me and not to do anything that I wouldn’t do in His Real Presence. (Of course I’m not perfect, far from it —but daily try to work on it.) Maybe keeping that in mind would help some with the nasty little habit. That and confession.
 
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