What's up with Rove?

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I’ve been following this story in a lackadaisical way.

From what I understand,
-Bush said he’d fire anyone who leaked info which revealed an agent’s ID
-There is now evidence that Rove leaked such info
-Rove is still part of the administration

The media is naturally talking about this, as would be expected anytime there’s a hint of controversy in the White House. The conservative radio shows I listened to yesterday all pretty much changed the subject.

It seems to me there must be more uncertainty to the story, or Rove would now be gone. Someone please fill me in.
 
Neal Boortz wrote about this in his daily blog…he addresses the movitations.

boortz.com/nuze/index.html

From what I have seen, this is really nothing more than a witch hunt after Rove because he is the architect behind Bush’s election. Pure politics…no real meat here.
 
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Digitonomy:
From what I understand,
-Bush said he’d fire anyone who leaked info which revealed an agent’s ID
Actually the President said that he would fire anyone who broke the law.
-There is now evidence that Rove leaked such info
There is even more evidence that Rove leaked nothing - but that he was actually trying to let the reporters know that they should not rely on the accuracy of stories told by Joe Wilson.

Joe Wilson’s own web pages on the Kerry site had Valerie Plame’s name on it over a year before Novak’s article - if anyone “outed” his wife, it appears to have been Joe Wilson, himself.

washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A2305-2005Jan11
Snips, below:
It’s time for a timeout on a misguided and mechanical investigation in which there is serious doubt that a crime was even committed. Federal courts have stated that a reporter should not be subpoenaed when the testimony sought is remote from criminal conduct or when there is no compelling “government interest,” i.e., no crime. As two people who drafted and negotiated the scope of the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act, we can tell you: The Novak column and the surrounding facts do not support evidence of criminal conduct.
At the threshold, the agent must truly be covert. Her status as undercover must be classified, and she must have been assigned to duty outside the United States currently or in the past five years. This requirement does not mean jetting to Berlin or Taipei for a week’s work. It means permanent assignment in a foreign country. Since Plame had been living in Washington for some time when the July 2003 column was published, and was working at a desk job in Langley (a no-no for a person with a need for cover), there is a serious legal question as to whether she qualifies as “covert.”

The law also requires that the disclosure be made intentionally, with the knowledge that the government is taking “affirmative measures to conceal [the agent’s] relationship” to the United States. Merely knowing that Plame works for the CIA does not provide the knowledge that the government is keeping her relationship secret. In fact, just the opposite is the case. If it were known on the Washington cocktail circuit, as has been alleged, that Wilson’s wife is with the agency, a possessor of that gossip would have no reason to believe that information is classified – or that “affirmative measures” were being taken to protect her cover.

There are ways of perceiving whether the government was actually taking the required necessary affirmative measures to conceal its relationship with Plame. We can look, for example, at how the CIA reacted when Novak informed the press office that he was going to publish her name. Did the general counsel call to threaten prosecution, as we know has been done to other reporters under similar circumstances? No. Did then-Director George Tenet or his deputy pick up the phone to tell Novak that the publication of her name would threaten national security and her safety, as we know is done when the CIA is serious about prohibiting publication? No. Did some high-ranking government official ask to visit Novak or the president of his newspaper syndicate to talk him out of publishing – another common strategy to prevent a story? No.

Novak has written that the CIA person designated to talk with him replied that although Plame was probably not getting another foreign assignment, exposure “might cause difficulties if she were to travel abroad.” He certainly never told Novak that Plame would be endangered. Such a meager response falls far legally shy of “affirmative measures.”

There is even more telling CIA conduct about Plame’s status. According to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence’s “Report on the U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq,” when the agency asked Plame’s husband to take on the Niger assignment, he did not have to sign a confidentiality agreement, a requirement for just about anybody else doing work for an intelligence agency. This omission opened the door for Wilson to write an op-ed piece for the New York Times describing his Niger trip. Did it not occur to our super sleuths of spycraft that a nationally distributed piece about the incendiary topic of weapons of mass destruction – which happens to be Wilson’s wife’s expertise – could result in her involvement being raised?..
 
More:
nationalreview.com/york/york200507121626.asp
July 12, 2005, 4:26 p.m.
Lawyer: Cooper “Burned” Karl Rove
Rove’s attorney talks to NRO.
The lawyer for top White House adviser Karl Rove says that Time reporter Matthew Cooper “burned” Rove after a conversation between the two men concerning former ambassador Joseph Wilson’s fact-finding mission to Niger and the role Wilson’s wife, CIA employee Valerie Plame, played in arranging that trip. Nevertheless, attorney Robert Luskin says Rove long ago gave his permission for all reporters, including Cooper, to tell prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald about their conversations with Rove.
In an interview with National Review Online, Luskin compared the contents of a July 11, 2003, internal Time e-mail written by Cooper with the wording of a story Cooper co-wrote a few days later. “By any definition, he burned Karl Rove,” Luskin said of Cooper. "If you read what Karl said to him and read how Cooper characterizes it in the article, he really spins it in a pretty ugly fashion to make it seem like people in the White House were affirmatively reaching out to reporters to try to get them to them to report negative information about Plame."
First the e-mail. According to a report in Newsweek, Cooper’s e-mail to Time Washington bureau chief Michael Duffy said, “Spoke to Rove on double super secret background for about two mins before he went on vacation…” Cooper said that Rove had warned him away from getting “too far out on Wilson,” and then passed on Rove’s statement that neither Vice President Dick Cheney nor CIA Director George Tenet had picked Wilson for the trip; “it was, KR said, wilson’s wife, who apparently works at the agency on wmd issues who authorized the trip.” Finally — all of this is according to the Newsweek report — Cooper’s e-mail said that “not only the genesis of the trip is flawed an[d] suspect but so is the report. he [Rove] implied strongly that there’s still plenty to implicate iraqi interest in acquiring uranium fro[m] Niger…”
A few days after sending the e-mail, Cooper co-wrote an article headlined “A War on Wilson?” that appeared on Time’s website. The story began, “Has the Bush administration declared war on a former ambassador who conducted a fact-finding mission to probe possible Iraqi interest in African uranium? Perhaps.”
And a fascinating article by John Podhoretz:
corner.nationalreview.com/05_07_10_corner-archive.asp#069334
It’s a long article, but worth the read! 🙂

Then today’s article in Opinion Journal:
Karl Rove, Whistleblower
He told the truth about Joe Wilson.
Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT
Democrats and most of the Beltway press corps are baying for Karl Rove’s head over his role in exposing a case of CIA nepotism involving Joe Wilson and his wife, Valerie Plame. On the contrary, we’d say the White House political guru deserves a prize–perhaps the next iteration of the “Truth-Telling” award that The Nation magazine bestowed upon Mr. Wilson before the Senate Intelligence Committee exposed him as a fraud.
For Mr. Rove is turning out to be the real “whistleblower” in this whole sorry pseudo-scandal. He’s the one who warned Time’s Matthew Cooper and other reporters to be wary of Mr. Wilson’s credibility. He’s the one who told the press the truth that Mr. Wilson had been recommended for the CIA consulting gig by his wife, not by Vice President Dick Cheney as Mr. Wilson was asserting on the airwaves. In short, Mr. Rove provided important background so Americans could understand that Mr. Wilson wasn’t a whistleblower but was a partisan trying to discredit the Iraq War in an election campaign. Thank you, Mr. Rove.
 
Digitonomy said:
-There is now evidence that Rove leaked such info

There is? You have a link? This is news to me. Must be news to CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, FoxNews, USAToday, the NYTimes, Washington Post and Washington Times–cuz none of them are reporting there’s evidence Rove leaked anything.
 
Why won’t Judith Miller testify? Who is the source she is protecting?

Matthew Cooper called Rove to talk about Welfare Reform. Then, in a two minute conservation, he changed the subject to Joe Wilson. Said his magazine was about to report Dick Cheney sent Joe Wilson to Niger to investigate Saddam’s attempts to buy uranium ore.

Where did Cooper get that erroneous information? Did Joe Wilson tell Cooper the Vice President authorized his trip to Niger? Did Valerie Plame? Someone else? Or did Cooper make it up? If so, why?
 
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David_Paul:
Why won’t Judith Miller testify? Who is the source she is protecting?

Matthew Cooper called Rove to talk about Welfare Reform. Then, in a two minute conservation, he changed the subject to Joe Wilson. Said his magazine was about to report Dick Cheney sent Joe Wilson to Niger to investigate Saddam’s attempts to buy uranium ore.

Where did Cooper get that erroneous information? Did Joe Wilson tell Cooper the Vice President authorized his trip to Niger? Did Valerie Plame? Someone else? Or did Cooper make it up? If so, why?
Didn’t the Ny Times respond to why they won’t release the name of their source is that it might prove embarassing? They do admit the source was willing to be identified. Now am I really supposed to believe that the NY times is trying to protect Rove? (For those who think so, I still have those shares in a silver mine on sale). Outside of Hillary’s “right wing conspiracy” theory – I can’t remember such a blatant media blitz by a group seking to obtain by hype what they failed to achieve in an election.
 
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shockerfan:
From what I have seen, this is really nothing more than a witch hunt after Rove because he is the architect behind Bush’s election. Pure politics…no real meat here.
They’ve beaten the Aruba story into the ground, outside of weather and bizarre murder plots they are out of “news” – hopefully some movie star will pontificate about something and we’ll get a new “story”.
 
stickman:
There is? You have a link? This is news to me. Must be news to CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, FoxNews, USAToday, the NYTimes, Washington Post and Washington Times–cuz none of them are reporting there’s evidence Rove leaked anything.
No, I didn’t have a link. That was just my general impression from casually hearing about it. That’s why I posed the question. Maybe stories like this planted the idea in my head:
Cooper confirmed that his source on the leak was Deputy Chief of Staff Rove, one of President Bush’s most trusted advisers and the man credited with Bush’s four consecutive campaign victories.
 
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ElizabethJoy:
Just what is all the fuss about?

From **where **and whom is this inordinate and hysterical level of interest coming?

Elizabeth
To quote Louie from Casablanca – “round up the usual suspects”.

What they couldn’t win at the ballot box they seek to bring down piece by piece.
 
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David_Paul:
Why won’t Judith Miller testify? Who is the source she is protecting?

Matthew Cooper called Rove to talk about Welfare Reform. Then, in a two minute conservation, he changed the subject to Joe Wilson. Said his magazine was about to report Dick Cheney sent Joe Wilson to Niger to investigate Saddam’s attempts to buy uranium ore.

Where did Cooper get that erroneous information? Did Joe Wilson tell Cooper the Vice President authorized his trip to Niger? Did Valerie Plame? Someone else? Or did Cooper make it up? If so, why?
When does Salome dance? Or have they given up on the preliminaries and settling for just the “beheading”.
 
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HagiaSophia:
What they couldn’t win at the ballot box they seek to bring down piece by piece.
Amen! This has gone beyond pathetic and laughable - we’re now at “frightening.”

God, help us, please - it’s perfectly clear that we aren’t getting out of this mess on our own.

Not as long as the likes of Kennedy, Clinton(s), Kerry, Durbin, Pelosi & Co. hold any kind of sway in our society. 😦

Elizabeth
 
Rove can take care of himself. He is a big boy and knows right from wrong. If he did wrong, he will find out he is not above the law.

Political power is a two edged sword.
 
ElizabethJoy said:
Amen! This has gone beyond pathetic and laughable - we’re now at “frightening.”

God, help us, please - it’s perfectly clear that we aren’t getting out of this mess on our own.

Not as long as the likes of Kennedy, Clinton(s), Kerry, Durbin, Pelosi & Co. hold any kind of sway in our society. 😦

Elizabeth

Considering the talk the lady offered to her now husband when they had just begun dating about her “CIA” status and his constant blabbing trying to bask in a reflection from her, one wonders just how big a secret anything about this couple was.
 
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HagiaSophia:
Didn’t the Ny Times respond to why they won’t release the name of their source is that it might prove embarassing? They do admit the source was willing to be identified. Now am I really supposed to believe that the NY times is trying to protect Rove? (For those who think so, I still have those shares in a silver mine on sale). Outside of Hillary’s “right wing conspiracy” theory – I can’t remember such a blatant media blitz by a group seking to obtain by hype what they failed to achieve in an election.
This is definitive proof that it was to Rove. It it was Rove , they would be falling all over each other to get the information out.

Just shows the deceit the left and the MSM will go to malign the President. Truth does not matter to them. Innuendos are their facts.

PF
 
Sorry, I’m waiting for definitive proof… a fax confirmed by Dan Rather-be-left-than-correct, I mean right.
 
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ElizabethJoy:
And here’s something really interesting - a November 1998 web page reveals Valerie Plame as Wilson’s wife.

**By name!!! **

www.LeadingAuthorities.com

Helloooo???

Just what is all the fuss about?

From **where **and whom is this inordinate and hysterical level of interest coming?

Elizabeth
That just names his wife.

Naming the wife isn’t the offense…
outing the wife as being a CIA operative is .

Big difference.

Personally, regardless of who told the author the name, the author himself needs to be prosecuted first and foremost…then all the people who provided him with the information he published.

Certainly a professional journalist or at the very least, the Senior Editor of any major publication should know that it’s against national security to identify any of our agents. Once this writer knew there was a connection the onus was on him to protect the agent no matter how many interviewees prod or push him to divulge that information in print.

Rove and anyone else involved need to be put on trial so that the evidence can be presented and those guilty charged, while those not-guilty are cleared of any wrongdoing.

To have any of their participation swept under the rug by firings or any other politically correct methods would be a major disservice to our country and those who defend it.
 
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HagiaSophia:
I can’t remember such a blatant media blitz by a group seking to obtain by hype what they failed to achieve in an election.
Me neither. The media is frantic that their one sentence account of this issue–Rove illegally disclosed the identity of a CIA undercover agent–is believed.

“Pinch” Sulzberger is on the ropes and he and his friends know it. He called for the special prosecutor. Demanded everyone testify. And now his reporter refuses to talk. Sulzberger also ran Joe Wilson’s false Op-Ed piece on Saddam, uranium ore and Niger.

See Powerline today?
In all of the liberal huffing and puffing over the supposed “outing” of Valerie Plame–as though she might be in danger as she drove to and from her desk job in Langley, and as though she hadn’t posed for a photo shoot in Vanity Fair, dressed up as a spy–I’ve seen no liberal criticism of a more recent, real outing of a clandestine CIA operation.
In this case, those who outed a CIA operation exposed secret agents operating in the field, in circumstances of great personal danger, not a civilian desk employee. The outing of the CIA operation undoubtedly forced the CIA to terminate or change what had been an effective means of protecting the nation’s security, and likely did endanger the lives of real covert agents.
I’m referring, of course, to the exposure of a purportedly civilian airline as a CIA operation:
*While posing as a private charter outfit - “aircraft rental with pilot” is the listing in Dun and Bradstreet - Aero Contractors is in fact a major domestic hub of the Central Intelligence Agency’s secret air service. The company was founded in 1979 by a legendary C.I.A. officer and chief pilot for Air America, the agency’s Vietnam-era air company, and it appears to be controlled by the agency, according to former employees.
An analysis of thousands of flight records, aircraft registrations and corporate documents, as well as interviews with former C.I.A. officers and pilots, show that the agency owns at least 26 planes, 10 of them purchased since 2001. The agency has concealed its ownership behind a web of seven shell corporations that appear to have no employees and no function apart from owning the aircraft.
The planes, regularly supplemented by private charters, are operated by real companies controlled by or tied to the agency, including Aero Contractors and two Florida companies, Pegasus Technologies and Tepper Aviation.*
Who was it who “outed” these CIA employees, blew their cover and perhaps endangered their lives?

The New York Times, of course!

In an article that was based largely on leaks by former CIA employees, who were out to embarrass the administration.

Ah, but that’s the “good” kind of leak–the kind that exposes the Agency’s real covert operatives, not the kind that tries to correct lies told by Democratic Party loyalists in the pages of the New York Times.
 
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