What's wrong with Dawkins?

  • Thread starter Thread starter wanstronian
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
It’s funny… I’ve never read The God Delusion, but I have read The Dawkins Delusion? 😃

I tried reading some of The Blind Watchmaker, too. He lost me when he said that if a statue of Mary up and waved at him, he still wouldn’t believe in miracles… 🙂
His point there was that it’s not actually **impossible **for all the atoms in a statue to all move in the same direction simultaneously (and he’s right). He uses this example to illustrate that just because something may be highly unlikely (in the case of this section of the book, the beginning of life on Earth iirc), it’s wrong to infer divine intervention if it happens.
 
There is a fatal flaw at the very root of neo-Darwinism. Dawkins claims that all our behaviour is determined by our genetic inheritance and environmental factors. In other words he rejects free will. Yet he also believes we can choose what to think and how to improve our lives…
That is the fatal flaw. It basically ends the discussion right there. As I see it, the argument is irrefutable and all the verbal wrangling that follows is just that – an attempt to get around this point by re-defining terms or avoiding the issue.
Regarding free will, I can see the argument.
That is an honest response – most atheists would not admit that upfront, so it is admirable.

Atheism is an attempt to affirm nothingness as the ultimate stuff of existence. The notion of a rational universe, or of demanding rationality in all of one’s arguments, is a theme that points directly to purpose and meaning.

Mr. Dawkins builds his ideas on a theistic foundation and he has not recognized the contradiction in that.

I do quote Richard Dawkins on two matters – one, where he says that the universe overwhelmingly appears as if it was designed for a purpose. The other, where he says that the existence of an intelligent designer is a reasonable proposal.

But all of that said, Tony Rey’s point reveals the fatal flaw and it’s something that is quite obvious in Richard Dawkins’ philosophy. He does not live what he professes – and his arguments are not at all consistent with his profession of atheistic-materialism.

But it’s not just him – I’ve never yet seen an atheist who fully embraces the implications and true meaning of evolutionary-atheism.
 
Not taking sides here, everyone, but I think this resource might be helpful: Answering the New Atheism–Dismantling Dawkins’ Case Against God.
From what I’ve seen of reviews and what I’ve heard from people who know the topic – that book is the best refutation of Richard Dawkins’ ideas (which are not limited to him alone).
I’m looking forward to reading it.
Fr. Crean’s book “God is No Delusion” is another excellent refutation of the same.
 
Here is a choice quote from Professor Stanley L. Jaki that eminently applies to materialist Darwinists such as Richard Dawkins:

“Their [Darwinists] work is a life-long commitment to the purpose of proving that there is no purpose. Every Darwinist is a living refutation of a philosophy, Darwinism, for which purpose is non-existent. For whatever the Darwinian claim that no biological organization can be shown to have developed for a purpose and under a directive agency, at least one organism or species, and hardly the least important, man, is engaged day in and day out in the most varied and most spectacularly purposeful activities. Man’s recently acquired ability to mold his genetic storehouse for a purpose is unexplainable within the Darwinian perspective. The failure of Darwinists to take seriously the fact that they are acting for a purpose, witnessed by their zealous crusades, is a sign of a schizophrenia which is of a piece with their resolve to consider only part of man, his body, while ignoring his mind.”

From Angels, Apes, & Men; p. 63.
 
Here is a choice quote from Professor Stanley L. Jaki that eminently applies to materialist Darwinists such as Richard Dawkins:

“Their [Darwinists] work is a life-long commitment to the purpose of proving that there is no purpose. Every Darwinist is a living refutation of a philosophy, Darwinism, for which purpose is non-existent. For whatever the Darwinian claim that no biological organization can be shown to have developed for a purpose and under a directive agency, at least one organism or species, and hardly the least important, man, is engaged day in and day out in the most varied and most spectacularly purposeful activities. Man’s recently acquired ability to mold his genetic storehouse for a purpose is unexplainable within the Darwinian perspective. The failure of Darwinists to take seriously the fact that they are acting for a purpose, witnessed by their zealous crusades, is a sign of a schizophrenia which is of a piece with their resolve to consider only part of man, his body, while ignoring his mind.”

From Angels, Apes, & Men; p. 63.
That is a great quote by Fr. Jaki (one of the best I’ve ever seen on this topic) – thanks! That’s yet another example of the intelligent design argument, in this case, human free-will, purpose and rationality are “unexplainable within the Darwinian perspective”. They cannot be the product of unintelligent, purposeless forces.

Here is a similar quote from Pope Benedict’s book, Jesus of Nazareth:

The Our Father in general and this petition in particular are trying to tell us that it is only when you have lost God that you have lost yourself; then you are nothing more than a random product of evolution. Then the “dragon” really has won … [Through the power of Christianity, however] the world is now seen as something rational: It emerges from eternal reason, and this creative reason is the only true power over the world and in the world. Faith in the one God is the only thing that truly liberates the world and makes it “rational.” When faith is absent, the world only *appears *to be more rational. In reality the indeterminable powers of chance now claim their due; “chaos theory” takes its place alongside insight into the rational structure of the universe, confronting man with obscurities that he cannot resolve and that set limits to the worlds rationality. To “exorcise” the world—to establish it in the light of the ratio (reason) that comes from eternal creative reason and its saving goodness and refers back to it—that is a permanent, central task of the messengers of Jesus Christ. (pgs 166 & 174)

This again goes to the contradiction in Dawkins’ style of atheism (actually, his is the most common view within evolutionary science). There is an appeal to rationality, but it is the “indeterminable powers of chance” which are really at the core of reality. It leaves only “obscurities” that cannot be resolved.

Those are the contradictions – looking for meaning and purpose while professing that there is none, and claiming to have a “rational view” of the universe while claiming that the nature, the universe and human life itself is the product of irrational, unintelligent forces.
 
His point there was that it’s not actually **impossible **for all the atoms in a statue to all move in the same direction simultaneously (and he’s right). He uses this example to illustrate that just because something may be highly unlikely (in the case of this section of the book, the beginning of life on Earth iirc), it’s wrong to infer divine intervention if it happens.
I know what his point his. But I think he is in the habit of denying, not the possibility of things, but their spiritual and communicative significance–the message behind them, if you will.
 
Atheism is an attempt to affirm nothingness as the ultimate stuff of existence.
That’s just plain wrong. Atheism is merely a denial of the existence of God - any god. It’s not necessarily an attempt to prove that he doesn’t exist. And what theists consistently fail to grasp, at least publicly, is that the alternative to God is not ‘nothingness.’
The notion of a rational universe, or of demanding rationality in all of one’s arguments, is a theme that points directly to purpose and meaning.
If you’re talking about a higher purpose held by God, I disagree. There’s nothing to suggest that this is true other than theistic opinion. Any attempt to extrapolate a higher purpose based on observable social behaviour is specious.
But all of that said, Tony Rey’s point reveals the fatal flaw and it’s something that is quite obvious in Richard Dawkins’ philosophy. He does not live what he professes – and his arguments are not at all consistent with his profession of atheistic-materialism.
Tony’s point is a good one. If there’s nothing but biology and physics, then free will is a mirage. But to be honest, I’m happy with that - it’s a satisfactory answer. As far as I’m concerned, I make my own decisions and have free will. If ultimately this isn’t the case and I was always destined to type, “Higgledy Piggledy my fat hen” here, then that’s fine by me. It doesn’t make my life any less enjoyable for being pre-determined. And it’s a lot neater solution than, “God granted me free will.”
 
Tony’s point is a good one. If there’s nothing but biology and physics, then free will is a mirage. But to be honest, I’m happy with that - it’s a satisfactory answer. As far as I’m concerned, I make my own decisions and have free will. If ultimately this isn’t the case and I was always destined to type, “Higgledy Piggledy my fat hen” here, then that’s fine by me. It doesn’t make my life any less enjoyable for being pre-determined. And it’s a lot neater solution than, “God granted me free will.”
It may be neater but without free will your thoughts as well as your actions would be predetermined and then there would have no reason to suppose any of your beliefs are true - including your belief in predeterminism.

Total scepticism is the logical outcome of denying free will but total scepticism is self-refuting. How do you know or why do you believe you cannot know anything? 🙂
 
It may be neater but without free will your thoughts as well as your actions would be predetermined and then there would have no reason to suppose any of your beliefs are true - including your belief in predeterminism.
By implying that my argument is self-refuting (it isn’t), you’re demonstrating an inability to cope with the notion that I might be right. In fact, you might even by trying to imply that I’m wrong simply by virtue of believing I’m right*.

An analogy: If determinism is correct, then Newton was always going to discover the law of gravity. Does that mean that if determinism is right, the law of gravity is wrong? Of course it doesn’t.
Total scepticism is the logical outcome of denying free will but total scepticism is self-refuting. How do you know or why do you believe you cannot know anything? 🙂
Now you’re confusing determinism with delusion.

*For the sake of argument. I don’t know whether determinism is right or wrong. But it makes a lot more sense than God
 
An analogy: If determinism is correct, then Newton was always going to discover the law of gravity. Does that mean that if determinism is right, the law of gravity is wrong? Of course it doesn’t.
Tony just said that “there would have no reason to suppose any of your beliefs are true”. Your conclusions could be true accidentally, but never intentionally – because what you perceive to be your intentions are not intentions, but facts you are passing through.

The law of gravity would still be right, but Newton’s epistemological claim to have discovered it would have absolutely no validity.
 
For the sake of this discussion you have to decide whether your thoughts and actions are predetermined or not. For the moment I am assuming you believe they are predetermined. It is possible, of course, that you might be right. I have not denied that possibility but it is highly unlikely that a high percentage of our beliefs are correct if they are all predetermined. We know how fallible instinct is because it is an automatic response. The same would apply to our beliefs if they are the result of previous events over which we have no control.
By implying that my argument is self-refuting (it isn’t), you’re demonstrating an inability to cope with the notion that I might be right. In fact you might even by trying to imply that I’m wrong simply by virtue of believing I’m right*.
Now you are putting words into my mouth. To believe you’re right has no bearing on whether you are right or wrong.
An analogy: If determinism is correct then Newton was always going to discover the law of gravity.
I agree. Determinism implies that what has happened had to happen. But it tells us nothing about what discoveries individuals will make in the future.
Does that mean that if determinism is right the law of gravity is wrong? Of course it doesn’t.
I agree but it does not mean that the law of gravity had to be discovered. It is quite possible that human beings would never have discovered the law of gravity if the universe had been slightly different. There is no guarantee that anyone will discover anything in particular. There is no guarantee that anyone will even know anything. In fact knowledge implies insight and understanding which a mechanical process does not possess. So there is also the problem of explaining knowledge as well as free will.
Total scepticism is the logical outcome of denying free will but total scepticism is self-refuting. How do you know or why do you believe you cannot know anything?
Now you’re confusing determinism with delusion.
Not at all. If you deny that free will exists you cannot be sure that any particular belief is true. So if you have the belief that you can have some knowledge it may not be true. It is possible that you cannot know anything at all. It is difficult to grasp this fact because we take it for granted that we can and do know a lot of things. We may indeed be labouring under a colossal delusion but this is the inevitable result of determinism with regard to our thoughts.
*For the sake of argument. I don’t know whether determinism is right or wrong. But it makes a lot more sense than God.
If determinism is correct the absence of free will tells us nothing about the existence of God. If free will exists it requires an explanation. In the absence of any other explanation it is reasonable to believe that free will has always existed. If free will has always existed it is absurd to suppose it has existed in a void. It must therefore be an attribute of Ultimate Reality.
 
And what theists consistently fail to grasp, at least publicly, is that the alternative to God is not ‘nothingness.’
Atheism generally does not assert an alternative to God, as I see it. Mainly, it’s a denial of God and there is no alternative given to replace God.
Tony’s point is a good one. If there’s nothing but biology and physics, then free will is a mirage. But to be honest, I’m happy with that - it’s a satisfactory answer. As far as I’m concerned, I make my own decisions and have free will. If ultimately this isn’t the case and I was always destined to type, “Higgledy Piggledy my fat hen” here, then that’s fine by me. It doesn’t make my life any less enjoyable for being pre-determined. And it’s a lot neater solution than, “God granted me free will.”
That is honest – but I do not think it’s consistent or that you’ve reflected enough on the implications. You assert (I think) that free will does not exist. But you contradict that by saying “as far as I’m concerned, I make my own decisions”.
This is the problem that Tony’s comment pointed to – what is professed (determinism, lack of purpose, lack of free-will) is not consistent with the personal attitudes and actions of the person making that claim.

You assert also that your life is not less enjoyable by believing a “mirage”.

This establishes a standard by which you measure the value of the argument – the standard in this case is “how enjoyable is my life”. As you see it, your life remains enjoyable even though you accept an illusion that you actually have free will.

This does lead to the next major problem of guilt, and what to do with it.

If you do not have free-will, then it is illogical to have any guilt about anything.

This would definitely have an impact on “how enjoyable” your life is. However, if you do experience guilt about various matters in your life, then that’s a contradiction.

So, that’s yet another problem with the Dawkins view, as I see it. In order to absolve people of guilt, the “solution” is: “you don’t have free-will so there’s no reason to feel guilt”.
 
For the sake of this discussion you have to decide whether your thoughts and actions are predetermined or not. For the moment I am assuming you believe they are predetermined. It is possible, of course, that you might be right. I have not denied that possibility but it is highly unlikely that a high percentage of our beliefs are correct if they are all predetermined.
I don’t see why this should be true. Pre-determinism is not randomness.
Now you are putting words into my mouth. To believe you’re right has no bearing on whether you are right or wrong.
Fair enough, I was only wondering whether you were suggesting it.
I agree. Determinism implies that what has happened had to happen. But it tells us nothing about what discoveries individuals will make in the future.
Well it would do if we could model it. So it’s theoretically possible. But from a practical pov, totally impossible - the mechanism for modelling it would (a) have to be able to cope with infinite (name removed by moderator)uts, (b) be able to run faster than the universe and (c) be outside the universe to avoid influencing it.
I agree but it does not mean that the law of gravity had to be discovered. It is quite possible that human beings would never have discovered the law of gravity if the universe had been slightly different. There is no guarantee that anyone will discover anything in particular. There is no guarantee that anyone will even know anything. In fact knowledge implies insight and understanding which a mechanical process does not possess. So there is also the problem of explaining knowledge as well as free will.
Here I disagree - there’s nothing to suggest that the chemical and physical composition of our brains is not capable of knowledge. In fact, quite the opposite. We do know things so our brains must be capable of knowledge.
Not at all. If you deny that free will exists you cannot be sure that any particular belief is true.
I would say that holds true regardless of the existence of free will. Or did you mean to say, “… any particular belief is real?”
So if you have the belief that you can have some knowledge it may not be true. It is possible that you cannot know anything at all. It is difficult to grasp this fact because we take it for granted that we can and do know a lot of things. We may indeed be labouring under a colossal delusion but this is the inevitable result of determinism with regard to our thoughts.
Indeed. Gives one a headache, doesn’t it.
If determinism is correct the absence of free will tells us nothing about the existence of God. If free will exists it requires an explanation. In the absence of any other explanation it is reasonable to believe that free will has always existed. If free will has always existed it is absurd to suppose it has existed in a void. It must therefore be an attribute of Ultimate Reality.
First two sentences correct. Third, hmmmm. Do you believe that all creatures have free will? Or do you deny evolution in toto? Final two sentences - not sure what you’re trying to say. What do you mean by Ultimate Reality? It sounds like the latest trashy voyeuristic tv show!
Atheism generally does not assert an alternative to God, as I see it. Mainly, it’s a denial of God and there is no alternative given to replace God.
Because there’s no reason to replace something that isn’t necessary in the first place. There is nothing that is unknown in the universe that can be explained by the existence of God. I can deny that Robert DeNiro is sitting in my car right now - I don’t have to explain who, or what, is there instead.
That is honest – but I do not think it’s consistent or that you’ve reflected enough on the implications. You assert (I think) that free will does not exist. But you contradict that by saying “as far as I’m concerned, I make my own decisions”. This is the problem that Tony’s comment pointed to – what is professed (determinism, lack of purpose, lack of free-will) is not consistent with the personal attitudes and actions of the person making that claim.
Yes, I’ve explained my rationale for that previously in this thread.

The whole ‘free will’ thing started as my response to Prodigal_Son’s comment in post #5 providing two options. I merely stated which, to me, made more sense. I don’t deny free will, I’m merely playing Devil’s Advocate. What I do deny is that free will was given to me by God. And I certainly deny that free will is evidence of God
You assert also that your life is not less enjoyable by believing a “mirage”.

This establishes a standard by which you measure the value of the argument – the standard in this case is “how enjoyable is my life”. As you see it, your life remains enjoyable even though you accept an illusion that you actually have free will.

This does lead to the next major problem of guilt, and what to do with it.

If you do not have free-will, then it is illogical to have any guilt about anything

This would definitely have an impact on “how enjoyable” your life is. However, if you do experience guilt about various matters in your life, then that’s a contradiction…
Not at all. But it would be illogical to infer that the guilt is anything more than a result of the same biochemical reactions that free will is.
So, that’s yet another problem with the Dawkins view, as I see it. In order to absolve people of guilt, the “solution” is: “you don’t have free-will so there’s no reason to feel guilt”.
That’s over-simplifying. If we agree that the individual feels he has free will, then that same individual is equally capable of feeling remorse. The mechanics are irrelevant.
 
Back to the topic of this thread, which is what’s wrong with Richard Dawkins.

What’s mainly wrong with him is that he allows his atheism to color everything he says, to the point of being dishonest. In his zeal to justify atheism, he even calls Einstein an atheist. It doesn’t get any more dishonest than that. Einstein went out of his way on several occasions to deny that he was an atheist. Dawkins has to know that if he has any interest at all in Einstein’s views on religion, yet he doesn’t let facts get in the way of his propaganda … his vain effort to claim that the greatest scientific intellect in modern times was an atheist … as if that would somehow prop up Dawkins’ own atheism.

You don’t have to take my word for it. Antony Flew, the once greatly heralded atheist who recently denounced atheism, sees the same dishonesty in Dawkins’, as you will discover in his book There Is a God. The chapter titled “The New Atheism: A Critical Appraisal of Dawkins,” is a fair summing up of Dawkins as propagandist.
 
In Ben Stein’s Expelled film, Dawkins is filmed as saying, “Religion and science both address the same question, but religion has got the wrong answer!” Viewing the film in its entirety, it seems the excerpt was not taken out of context, although it could have been.

If he means what he says, then he doesn’t understand religion and has a fundamentally bad perspective regarding science: Science addresses the question how; religion addresses the question why. If Dawkins seriously believes ‘how’ = ‘why’, then he’s terribly confused.

You can have bad religion, such as Protestants claiming that the earth was formed in six twenty-four hour periods – they attempt to use religion to explain how the earth was formed, when the Bible only tells us why it was formed.

You can have bad science, such as “I do not see God, therefore God does not exist” – more generally just poor scientific method. I can’t think of an example right now of bad science trying to explain why something happens; in every case, i.e. “Why does ice melt?” the question is in fact “How does ice come to melt?” and the usage of the word ‘why’ is technically incorrect, now in common usage from a prolonged period of misusage. (We have many misuses, such as calling something “sadistic” when we only mean “excessively cruel”, and so on.)

Generally, “why” addresses the meaning behind an event as it connects to our existence; “how” addresses the mechanics and principles that govern our existence. Science cannot ever address the question “why” by its very nature, because meaning is intangible, nonphysical, an idea. (If you strike out religion, then everything in existence and everything that happens is meaningless.)

So, if I asked myself, “Why does ice melt?”, science would tell me because the entropy of the ice+environment system increases (in response to the actual question, “How does ice come to melt?”), and religion would tell me because God wants me to have water to drink; both ‘how’ and ‘why’ are answered. If you asked Dawkins that, would he only mention entropy and consider the question “why” resolved (by ignoring it)?

Furthermore, without religion nothing is good or bad; everything is only useful or not useful. It is a very disagreeable perspective, as your life ceases to have any value whatsoever: it is either useful to influential people (namely those who come into contact with it) or not useful, no different from a fallen log of wood. It contradicts our intrinsic drive to love ourselves and to love others, and thus an atheistic worldview lacks inner consistency.
 
In Ben Stein’s Expelled film, Dawkins is filmed as saying, “Religion and science both address the same question, but religion has got the wrong answer!” Viewing the film in its entirety, it seems the excerpt was not taken out of context, although it could have been.

If he means what he says, then he doesn’t understand religion and has a fundamentally bad perspective regarding science: Science addresses the question how; religion addresses the question why. If Dawkins seriously believes ‘how’ = ‘why’, then he’s terribly confused.

You can have bad religion, such as Protestants claiming that the earth was formed in six twenty-four hour periods – they attempt to use religion to explain how the earth was formed, when the Bible only tells us why it was formed.
Er, doesn’t Genesis Chapter 1 explicitly say that the earth was formed in six days? Does Catholicism not recognise the OT? Or am I missing something?
You can have bad science, such as “I do not see God, therefore God does not exist” – more generally just poor scientific method. I can’t think of an example right now of bad science trying to explain why something happens; in every case, i.e. “Why does ice melt?” the question is in fact “How does ice come to melt?” and the usage of the word ‘why’ is technically incorrect, now in common usage from a prolonged period of misusage. (We have many misuses, such as calling something “sadistic” when we only mean “excessively cruel”, and so on.)

Generally, “why” addresses the meaning behind an event as it connects to our existence; “how” addresses the mechanics and principles that govern our existence. Science cannot ever address the question “why” by its very nature, because meaning is intangible, nonphysical, an idea. (If you strike out religion, then everything in existence and everything that happens is meaningless.)

So, if I asked myself, “Why does ice melt?”, science would tell me because the entropy of the ice+environment system increases (in response to the actual question, “How does ice come to melt?”), and religion would tell me because God wants me to have water to drink; both ‘how’ and ‘why’ are answered. If you asked Dawkins that, would he only mention entropy and consider the question “why” resolved (by ignoring it)?
To consider the “why” resolved by answering the “how” is bad form. To ignore the “why” because it adds no value is valid. There doesn’t have to be a “why” ice melts. Ascribing purpose to every event is senseless, surely?
Furthermore, without religion nothing is good or bad; everything is only useful or not useful.
This makes no sense. Is a ‘good’ song a ‘useful’ one? From a utilitarian point of view a ‘good’ song has no use. From an emotional point of view it serves to make us feel good. Both perspectives are equally valid, with or without religion. Or maybe you’re talking about good and bad morals. In which case you’re saying that without a religion, an axe murderer is simply “not useful.”
It is a very disagreeable perspective, as your life ceases to have any value whatsoever: it is either useful to influential people (those who come into contact with it) or not useful, no different from a fallen log of wood. It contradicts our intrinsic drive to love ourselves and to love others, and thus an atheistic worldview is lacks inner consistency.
If that perspective helps you feel good about yourself, then go for it. I think it’s narrow-minded nonsense.🙂
 
Er, doesn’t Genesis Chapter 1 explicitly say that the earth was formed in six days? Does Catholicism not recognise the OT? Or am I missing something?
Another atheist trying to cast every Christian into the role of a fundamentalist. The Bible is about theology, not science, and what Genesis 1 has to say about theology is valid: God as the creator and sustainer of all things.

You wouldn’y really expect to find an essay on quantum field theory in something written in the third century BC, would you now?
 
Without having read any of the thread beyond the first post, my problem with Dawkins is that he is an idiot. I heard such glowing things about The God Delusion that I picked it up. I was looking forward to a read that would, one way or another, bring me closer to the truth. I was ready to go wherever the arguments took me, and, while I was confident in my Catholicism, I was prepared for the possibility that the much-lauded Dawkins would say something that would convince me that atheism is true. Regardless of the outcome, I was certain that reading Dawkins would cause me to grow–toward Catholicism or away from it, but always toward the truth.

I was deeply disappointed. Never in all my years of apologetics and counter-apologetics have I read such a sloppy mish-mash of poor argumentation, weak organization, and unearned arrogance. The man may be a good evolutionary biologist, and indeed his image of “Mount Improbable” was quite usefully illustrative. But his grasp of philosphy and logic is, at best, laughable. He had no understanding of Aquinas, being utterly confounded by St. Thomas’s reasoning and, indeed, getting it at several points exactly backwards. Worse, Dawkins made it abundantly clear that he had never read past Question 2, Article 3 of the Summa! He read Q2A3, no doubt in translation, unquestioningly put it into terms that his tiny post-Aristotlean worldview could handle (making another of the hundreds, perhaps thousands, of ill-founded, ill-serving assumptions he so arrogantly makes throughout the book), and then skipped the next forty-two chapters (~150 articles), all of which serve to answer his key objections! (His core, constantly repeated objection is that any Creator must be unimaginably complex. “On the simplicity of God” is the very next page of the Summa! Arrrrgh!) The intellectual bankruptcy Dawkins demonstrates is akin to that of a creationist who reads only the first three pages of On the Origin of Species before condemning the whole idea of evolution as insane!

And Aquinas is but one (particularly frustrating) example. Dawkins also flubs the ontological argument, which is amazing, because, honestly, it’s not that hard to show clear weaknesses in St. Anselm’s case (even while a clear disproof is hard to come by). But instead of doing actual philosophy, Dawkins instead mocks Anselm for a few pages, vomits up a specious counter-example, and calls it a point proved! Go through that entire chapter: Aquinas, Anselm, Descartes (in passing), the baseless skewering of Anthony Flew (I don’t agree with Flew, but at least my critique of him isn’t based on insults)… for page after page after page, Dawkins shows himself to be a self-rightgeous moralizing child who couldn’t argue his way through even a reasonably rigorous undergraduate philosophy course.

Such sloppiness can’t help but spill out of that particular chapter. His attack on the efficacy of prayer was countered more than effectively by C.S. Lewis fifty years ago–and, because Lewis was responding to far more intelligent arguments at the time, Lewis’s defense goes well further. His chapter “Why there is almost certainly no God” is fatally undermined by the intellectual collapse of the preceding chapter. And his general attack on the outcomes of organized religion is flawed eight ways from Tuesday (have you read a history of the Crusades, Mr. Dawkins?). I’ll bet you’d like me to substantiate such a sweeping charge. That’s how I felt during the whole book, on the rare occasion that I could see his sweeping charges through the haze of mischaracterizations and abject silliness.

You want to be an atheist, fine. There are decent reasons for it, even if they are ultimately flawed. But, for God’s sake, be an intellectually honest atheist. Base your atheism on the arguments of someone reasonably convincing, like Bertrand Russell, or even the far superior Douglas Adams (ironic, because Adams idolized Dawkins, but nonetheless true). To do less would be treason against the intellect. Richard Dawkins is the Jack Chick of atheism.

Hope that answers your question! 🙂

EDIT: The “You” in “You want to be an atheist,” is directed generally at the world, and not at you specifically, wastronian. Didn’t want to put you on the defensive there, so I clarify.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top