When a mob came to tear down the statue of St. Louis in St Louis, Missouri, a priest and Catholics praying there stood in their way

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What a heroic Priest and Faithful for defending the Church from these anarchists.
 
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I don’t recall see peaceful protesters withdrawing and going home as stores were burned to the ground by a separate group of people.
 
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and threatening him about “coming next” for the cathedral.
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The St. Louis Cathedral is amazing, beautiful, with a rich history.

Hopefully St. Louis-area Catholics and Protestants will both stand shoulder to shoulder in ranks surrounding and protecting the Cathedral if these foolish and vindictive people try to destroy it.

Why do the protestors around the country believe that toppling/vandalizing monuments, statues, buildings, and local businesses will gain any respect from their opponents?

If anything, these actions are more likely to diminish or destroy any respect that on-the-fence and questioning (me) American citizens have for them and their cause, whatever their cause is. Is it really racial justice? Or is it “gimme what I want right now or else!!”

At this point, I have definitely stop paying attention to them–they have lost the right to be heard because of their violent actions. Marketers of products know that they have to find a way that appeals to their target audience when they create a promotional campaign. BLM has failed to do that, and instead, have created a promotion that is rapidly turning OFF the very people that they are accusing of allowing “systemic racism.” If they are really serious about ending racism, they will change their promotional strategy and find a way that makes their imagined opponents want to sit down at a table of peaceful negotiation with them. Right now, they’re driving many people away from that table with their violent, thoughtless, heedless approach.
 
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I in no way condone looting and destruction of property. By the same token, I wouldn’t defend a statue. Now if they come for the cathedral, that’s a whole different story, but a statue is simply a monument to history, there’s nothing sacramental about them. Can someone explain this attachment to statues? It’s a sincere question, not baiting.
 
You’re not making a lot of sense here. So you’re saying the people shouting, vandalizing, and threatening to tear the statue down were “alt-right” groups? The priest was being shouted down by people threatening him, not supporting him. Meanwhile, there is no link between an ideology of small groups of white supremacists and the massive Catholic church. The two are at odds by their beliefs completely.

Meanwhile, I’m curious about the standard you set here.

Did you hold it to the George Floyd protests? When initial peaceful protests suddenly spiraled into mass arson, violence, vandalism, and death… did you call for all the peaceful protesters to go home or else they are guilty of supporting the BLM and ANTIFA extremists? Was their continued protest day after day now completely in support of the hateful riots?
 
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I see many people advocating prayer on here, which is good.

The thing that elevates a devout Christian, and is one of the more difficult things to in life at times, is to pray for one’s enemies. So while prayer for strength for the priest and those who prayed near the statues is good, I think prayer for the those who are threatening and hostile is arguably more important, even though they itch my skin with and tick me off.
 
There is no “attachment to statues”.

They are witnesses to our nation’s history, whether positive or not. Many statues are important to the people who live in those communities, they are familiar and beautiful landmarks. That is their value.

The statue is public property. It was either a gift to the municipality or paid for by the taxpayers when it was installed. No individual, or mob, has no right to tear it down. It does not belong to them, and their thoughts or feelings about it are no more important than anyone else’s. We have just and moral laws to not vandalize, deface or destroy public property or private property that does not belong to you. No one has a right to break a just law because they don’t like a statue or sign or anything else.
 
OK, thank you for explaining it, that’s what I thought, but I wanted to verify I wasn’t missing something.

As I said, I understand destruction of property is illegal and wrong.
 
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I in no way condone looting and destruction of property. By the same token, I wouldn’t defend a statue. Now if they come for the cathedral, that’s a whole different story, but a statue is simply a monument to history, there’s nothing sacramental about them. Can someone explain this attachment to statues? It’s a sincere question, not baiting.
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OF STATUES AND SYMBOLIC MURDER
There is an excellent article about this in First Things https://www.firstthings.com/

This part explains the phenomenon we are witnessing:

a great many of the foot soldiers in this movement are young, white, suburban, middle-class and college-educated; and that they are working out their salvation with fear and trembling and a deadly earnestness. The “white privilege” of which these young people complain is a projection onto others of the very condition that they suspect and fear in themselves. Hence the convulsive rage, complete with copious gutter profanity, which we have all seen in videos of them. People in the grip of such powerful psychological forces will go a long way to expiate for their existential sins and rid themselves of their demons. They are easily mobilized by others. According to Pew estimates, only one out of six Black Lives Matter activists is actually black.
 
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Looks like a worthwhile article. But I think we can add to it that smashing statues, particulary those of Confederates, but also including white developers of the country is a substitute for smashing the heads of the “irredeemables” and “bitter clingers” the left despises to intensely. Conservative Christians revere George Washington? Religious Catholics revere St. Junipero Sera? Pull him down on his dead and smash the cross! Smash his statues until we can smash them personally!
 
I can’t explain the oddness. Part of it has to do with its focus on the motivation (“attachment”, as you put it) of the people trying to stop the crime. IMO you should be asking about the minds of the vandals (“protesters” or whatever word describes them).
 
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The Proud Boys are not and never were a white supremacist group. The mainstream media paints everyone they disagree with as ‘alt right’ and a white supremacist. We live in a day and age where a fat woman is actually blaming Donald Trump and ‘racism’ for her weight.
 
Well, I guess I am an odd person in a lot of ways, so I can understand/agree with that at least. Although, if you can’t further articulate your opinion I’m not sure it contributes much to the conversation.
 
Absolutely true. I’m not in any way associated with the alt-right, which is a genuine movement, but seeing the media labelling anyone who strays from the leftist ideology as “alt-right” grinds my gears. It is actual real life propaganda.
 
I wanted to start a topic on this idea.

Have titles like “racist” and “white supremacist” lost their meaning, as they seem to be applied indiscriminately to anyone who disagrees or questions anything? I think one could argue they have.
 
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