When did the crying room become the rumpus room?

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…or (and I think this is most likely) do not understand basic behavioral principles of reward and punishment. I will also add a caveat for the possibility of some special situations of mental health issues, though at my parish, most of those are in the main body of the church.
 
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It was a thing in the 50’s to have a rumpus room, then it was called a rec room, now it’s a family room or play room.

Besides, didn’t you ever read “where the wild things are”
When the boy gets to the island of monsters he says “let the wild rumpus start!”
 
I’ve never understood why some get annoyed at the sweet sound of a baby crying in public. Um… sorry this child’s pain and discomfort inconveniences you?
Totally agree with you on all points. As I was on our building committee 25 years ago for our new church, I was the only one of the 5 of us who said, “no cry room.” I lost that battle. I really hate the description of the that room, but since I was elected to order the signage for the different rooms and bathrooms of the church, I labeled it “Family Room.” Yes, our Family “Cry” room is a playground also, and many parents decide to let the little one cry a bit as they console them and no one is really fussy about it. If it gets out of hand, and the parent thinks it disturbing, they usually bypass the Family Room and walk into the large vestibule which has glass and wood doors between the church and the vestibule and stand there until the child is calmed down. There are speakers in the vestibule so the parent doesn’t miss what is being said or sung.
 
I came to this thread late and could only read the first 10 or 15 posts.

I want to say, I never understood why parents bring toys to Mass other than a stuffed animal or book. It’s not part of play time wherever you are sitting. I once spent some time at a mass distracted by small cars being driven over the pew in front of me by two young boys. I eventually was able to move. Now, why in the world would a parent choose to take those to the church?

When our church was rebuilt it was designed without a Cry Room. Instead we have a Reflection Room at the back where the tabernacle is and a window looks out to the rest of the church.

There used to be a mother of two little girls who sat right up front. The little girls were always dressed so cute and they were able to walk around a little, crawl under the pew a bit. I thought they were so precious.

I remember one Christmas season I was at a local theme park with a friend who is Christian but a non-Catholic. It was his first time there for the holidays. We went into the small theater to see a much shortened version of A Christmas Carol and a family with a baby or toddler sat near us. The child cried during the show and eventually the father took him out. My friend remarked to me afterwards that children had no place going to a show like that. I just shrugged and said, “Well, it’s a family park at Christmastime and a family show.” My internal thought was he’s not used to this since he’s not Catholic!
 
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Toddlers don’t tend to have a great attention span so I can understand why some quiet distractions might be a good idea. I don’t think noisy toys are a good idea. There is this boy at my church who often starts bashing cars on the pew and screams the place down when the car is taken away, just don’t bring them!
 
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Is there an option to suffer the little children, and forbid them not, to come unto Him: for of such is the kingdom of heaven?
 
I’ve pretty much accepted that if I sit in the back of any church for Sunday Mass or any afternoon/ evening Mass, there are going to be kids from toddler age up to about age 7 doing acrobatics on the pews, running, banging stuff around and making inappropriate noise. These days, when every other kid has a diagnosis of some condition that affects their attention span or keeps them from sitting still, on top of general poor parenting, I just offer it up. It doesn’t seem like many churches even contain them in a cry room. I’d personally love it if they were confined to one room where they could go nuts without bothering others, but most churches don’t even seem to have them.

I note that this is not all kids and that many families who come to church have relatively well behaved children, nor do I expect kids to be sitting absolutely still in the pew or perfectly quiet at all times (I was a kid once, I know what it’s like to have to sit through what seems like an interminably long one-hour Mass) but when a kid is running up and down the aisles for many minutes at a time, banging his toys on the pew, or climbing on the pew like it’s a jungle gym and running and jumping down the length of the pew seat stepping on other people’s personal items, it’s left the bounds of “squirmy kid” and entered crazy time.
 
May I suggest one little idea that worked for most of our kids (at least when they were 2 or 3 years old on. Bribe them. Make it a standard practice that after Sunday mass, you will stop on the way home and buy them all a Sunday treat (candy bar, ice cream, whatever) if everyone behaves in mass. There is no better punishment than kids not getting an expected reward.
 
To answer the original question the crying room has always been the rumpus room.
We sat near the front. We brought soft toys. We went out when they got too loud. Donuts were our treat after mass
I am the mom of wiggly noisy kids. In fact w.hen my fifth kid was two the priest suggested I keep him away from daily mass for a while. We gott our share our dirty looks but we also had our share of people telling us how beautiful our kids were at masses where they had misbehaved.
 
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My friend remarked to me afterwards that children had no place going to a show like that. I just shrugged and said, “Well, it’s a family park at Christmastime and a family show.” My internal thought was he’s not used to this since he’s not Catholic!
Wow…that’s really where your initial thought was? The most impatient person I know around little kids is my Catholic BIL.

Due to there not being a place to go with little children (specifically our 18month old) where my wife and kids are members, more often than not, I end up staying home with him on Sundays. There’s no way we’d be able to keep him in a pew for more than 5-10 min.
 
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But I know there’s someone out there who realizes that this solution is the one that was always utilized until everything started to get a little wacky.
Was it? I’m honestly asking. I grew up Catholic and never in my life heard of people leaving young children at home rather than bringing them to Mass until the past 15 years (as an adult).

I understand why people exercise the option to leave children at home and have mom and dad alternate which Mass they go to. Sometimes, you have to do what you have to do, and I would never pass judgment on someone who decides to do that.

But I would also never make a person feel like that is their only option or that they should leave their children at home just because they are making noise.

I think parents need to make the decision for themselves and not feel like their neighbor is judging them for making the wrong one. I’d rather support someone in their decision (even if it’s not the one I would choose to make for myself) rather than give them the “evil eye” or shame them.

Of course, all this doesn’t mean that some parents really don’t make bad decisions in this regard. I don’t understand why some choose to bring food or noisy toys to Mass. But then, maybe their kid is diabetic and really does need to have food on hand at all times. Or maybe their kid is (like mine) autistic, and he grabbed that noisy toy on the way out the door and refuses to let it go. While I’m at Mass, I’m not going to spend a whole lot of time trying to ascertain whether or not the parents are justified. If it annoys me, I’ll just offer it up and ignore it.
 
just have our family join the rest of the mass and forget about the crying room?
Yes, I would agree. Fr. John Hardon Said his mother would always tell him that she taught him how to kneel before he knew how to walk. It helps if you go to a beautiful church and sit in the front so the children can see what is going on. Unfortunately many Catholics are raising future non-practicing Catholics. Here’s a good video on training children how to behave in Mass:

 
I doubt there are many parents who have not at times selected the option of leaving a 2 year old at home and going to separate masses. And certainly all parents should be considerate enough of other people at mass to do this when needed. And to take noisy children out of mass. But everyone makes mistakes, and its easy to understand how a parent thinks he is about to get his baby to settle down and is a little late reacting to leaving, or for a given Sunday schedules and availability of babysitters simply do not allow for any other option. Your post seems a little too absolute.
I believe all parents are trying to do it correctly.

As to your final sentence, I am not for sure when you think things started to get a little wacky, but I would like to know how you know this was always the solution.
 
Why not? I’m sorry, Joe, but if people can’t handle something like that they really are missing the whole point of this Catholicism thing.
How would not appreciating being told to keep their children at home from Mass equate to them missing the point of Catholicism? (Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)

I could also easily argue the opposite—that it is leaving your children at home that is a sign of being too influenced by the culture and avoiding things that are difficult. It’s certainly easier to leave a squirming child at home than it is to wrangle them in a pew for an hour whilst eliciting scowls from those who demand absolute silence during Mass.

But to what end? Why not just let parents make the decision for themselves without undue criticism from either side?
 
How would not appreciating being told to keep their children at home from Mass equate to them missing the point of Catholicism?
Taking up one’s cross.

But I’ve deleted my comments because I’m not interested in debating this controversial topic, and I’m just going to move on. 🙂
 
May I suggest one little idea that worked for most of our kids (at least when they were 2 or 3 years old on. Bribe them. Make it a standard practice that after Sunday mass, you will stop on the way home and buy them all a Sunday treat (candy bar, ice cream, whatever) if everyone behaves in mass. There is no better punishment than kids not getting an expected reward.
That will only work if the parents follow through; so many do not. A child who is a bit disruptive might think he did quite well at Mass and thus have a huge fit in the car going home and in order to calm them, go to get ice cream anyway.

Every child is different. My 4 year old grandson sitting with brother, 9, with mom and dad (my son), sits through the entire Mass without a peep as long as he has a book or iphone in front of him which he can navigate better then I can. If anything does occur, a stern look from dad cures it immediately. On the other hand, what do you do with the little ones who are obviously ADHD? Give them a strong dose of bendryl before Mass? I don’t think so. It’s a hard call and small whimpers are just fine with me. Difficult subject with many answers.
 
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just have our family join the rest of the mass and forget about the crying room?
Yes, I would agree. Fr. John Hardon Said his mother would always tell him that she taught him how to kneel before he knew how to walk. It helps if you go to a beautiful church and sit in the front so the children can see what is going on.
What if your church is ugly?🤣🤣🤣😂
 
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I suspect you meant it in jest. There is, however, no such thing as an ugly Catholic Church. Christ is present. Don’t hardly get more beautiful than that.
 
. There is, however, no such thing as an ugly Catholic Church.
Plenty of ugly church buildings. When non-Catholic architects are hired to design a Catholic Church, and they depart from the cross-shaped design, then you start to get ugly uninspiring architecture that has nothing to do with reflecting the spiritual realm
 
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