When did the crying room become the rumpus room?

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What’s a terrible thing to say. That the parents bring toys for active children so they can go to mass when no child care is available. Any apology offered should come from the haughty congregants who render their rather arrogant judgment of parents of little ones who try to express their faith and expose their little ones to it.

If you are referring to my other question, you might note it was a question for the thread; not you personally
 
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I “liked” this post, but a simple like is not enough. My eldest is 16 and my baby is three, with four more in between, so I have been at this a very long time. I’m starting to see the end of the tunnel, but we still have our moments. I used to have a more punitive approach to my little ones’ behavior. No rewards if you have to be removed from church, etc. Now I just give the poor kid a break. She’s three years old. She’s still learning. These days, she sometimes makes it all the way through in the Church. We walk around the perimeter, kissing icons, and swaying to the chant if she gets restless. But this past Sunday, she wasn’t having it. She wiggled to get down and screamed if I tried to thwart her. I took her outside and put her down and she immediately ran to a tree and back. With a beaming smile, she said to me, “Mommy, I just love to run. Look at my legs move!” And she took off again. In a few minutes, I asked her if she was ready to go back and pray. She cheerfully agreed and we went back into the church to pray. We finished the Liturgy in a much better state.

On a side note, there’s a point in the Byzantine Divine Liturgy where there is a procession and the people sing hymn that includes the line, “Now set aside all Earthly cares.” This is a little less than half way through a liturgy that lasts, on average, an hour and 20 minutes, but can no longer. Ironically, this is about the time that my Earthly cares have always gotten restless. It’s a long time for a little one to sit still.
 
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I wonder if instead of a cry room it could be used for a quiet room for those of us who struggle with background noise or maybe offer written copies of the homily so we don’t miss out on that part.
I think this is a brilliant idea!
 
False dichotomy or not, (your opinion), it is a valid question. Personally, give me a venue (Mass or some other place) that is full of the noise of children, especially little ones. They so counter the listless, apathetic, bored and tired look of so many “grown ups”.
So again I ask, what offends Him more?
 
So again I ask, what offends Him more?
Let’s check the book.
Therefore if you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any common sharing in the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, 2 then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind. 3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, 4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.
I would say that the children are not ever the offenders. The parents may well be offensive if they ignore the needs of people other than themselves while at Holy Mass. Others may well be worse offender for ignoring the needs of these parents and the children. I also think there is room for growth both for those who judge parents based on their children, and those who judge parishioners as apathetic based on their looks.
 
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In all charity, my question about what offend Him is directed more to the fact that (in the U.S alone) one million children are terminated in the womb. I was just wondering if Jesus is offended more by a child playing with his toy cars in the pew, or the child who isn’t in the pew at all. I think from your post you might have missed that??
 
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I don’t find it offensive but it can be frustrating to go to mass and struggle to hear what’s going on. I just keep praying for some patience, i can be a bit of a grouch.
 
I am simply not going to talk about abortion. I did not miss it. I am ignoring its implication to how we treat each other at Mass. Intolerance toward the elderly is no more acceptable than intolerance toward children. People have been attacked on this thread just for being honest about the distraction that children can present at Mass, as if that distraction is not real, or should not prove distraction. If a parent is going to let a kid play in Mass, they need to own up to their decision as necessary, to the extent they allow it, and not attack those who move because they are distracted and put off by it.
 
On a side note, there’s a point in the Byzantine Divine Liturgy where there is a procession and the people sing hymn that includes the line, “Now set aside all Earthly cares.”
Also, I’ve never seen a byzantine parish that doesn’t call the children up to the front for the Gospel reading and have them kiss the Gospel before returning.

Perfect timing to let them release a bit of energy and stretch a bit.

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