Everyone is entitled to an opinion, as you are to yours. Or do you believe in censorship? If you do, please start with the atheists. Expressing an opinion is not spreading error. It is expressing an opinion. Simple enough!
I don’t believe in censorship…it just bothers me that the Words of Jesus in the Bible, which we used to take an oath on, are not taken literally.Everyone is entitled to an opinion, as you are to yours. Or do you believe in censorship? If you do, please start with the atheists. Expressing an opinion is not spreading error. It is expressing an opinion. Simple enough!
Read my post again. I said MANY, not ALL passages, If one is so easily influenced by a post by an anonymous person, they have a problem.
If the angels are pure spirits, how could hell be a place? So would it not be safe to say that hell is not a place originally. Hell is a word to describe sufferings. So the angels, when they “fell”, describes their sufferings…their departure from all that is happiness and goodness.
Jesus told many parables. Do you take them literally?
He was also never afraid to tell a story, if that was the best way to get His point across.
The story of the rich man & Lazarus could have been a parable…although Jesus names the beggar, which could mean it was factual.Jesus told many parables. Do you take them literally?
(And, if not, aren’t they still Truth, whether literal or not?)
He was also never afraid to tell a story, if that was the best way to get His point across.
:dts:So, pick another parable: do you take the sower and the seed literally? The prodigal son? The Good Samaritan?
If not literal, then nevertheless still an illustration of the truth.Jesus gave a lot of useless information for a parable that’s not literal…
when Satan fought God for control of Heaven and LOST!
Yes we do. For one thing, Genesis clearly tells us that they acknowledged the Lord such as when Seth was born, indicating that they had a restored relationship with God.when Satan fought God for control of Heaven and LOST!
And its need is further evidenced by the Original sin of Adam and Eve
{I’m NOT saying that THEY went to hell; they MAY have sought and received God Forgiveness? This we DO NOT KNOW
God Bless you,
Pat Miron
I think, Mr. Gorgias, you just like to disagree!So, pick another parable: do you take the sower and the seed literally? The prodigal son? The Good Samaritan?
If not literal, then nevertheless still an illustration of the truth.
Also, the depiction couldn’t have been heaven, since the gates of heaven hadn’t yet been opened.
Finally, the ‘place’ argument doesn’t work, for the reasons already outlined: it’s a story, not a theological/philosophical treatise; as a story, it relies on images and narrative (rather than dry theological assertion); it describes people who have died and who no longer have bodies (with which to ‘be’ in a place).
If you listen to a lot of the people on CAF…there is no such place as hell…I feel like I’m in hell when I’m on the CAF website.when Satan fought God for control of Heaven and LOST!
And its need is further evidenced by the Original sin of Adam and Eve
{I’m NOT saying that THEY went to hell; they MAY have sought and received God Forgiveness? This we DO NOT KNOW
God Bless you,
Pat Miron
“Read the Bible.” Good one! I doubt we’ll know that before the Rapture. But, God probably had had something in mind, soon as Michael kicked Lucis out of heaven. Remember, he was waiting in Eden, to work on Eve/ Adam. Here are some further verses I found, ( Strong’s conc.), on ‘angels/ Hell’. Isai.14:12-17, Matt. 25:41, 2Pet. 2:4, Jude6, Revel. 12: 7-11. Hope they are useful to someone. Cyril. (P.S. Get ready! Don’t go there!)
Matt. 25: 41 really shows hell as a place with fire…yes the answers are in God’s Word.
LOL! Remember, TTF… you’re engaging in this dialogue, too!I think, Mr. Gorgias, you just like to disagree!
Tell me: would a literal, physical chasm keep a spirit contained and boxed in? Of course not! So, there’s your answer right there: a literal, physical ‘chasm’ would have no effects on souls in Abraham’s Bosom. But hey – if you want to continue to assert (in the face of all logical discussion to the contrary) that it’s a literal, physical description… well, have at it! :whacky:
Hmm. Sure seems like you do…
No …I quit!LOL! Remember, TTF… you’re engaging in this dialogue, too!
Interestingly, though, you continue to avoid answering the questions I’ve put to you. Most significantly, if Lazarus and the rich man were dead, are you saying that they nevertheless had bodies?
We know that we shall receive our glorified bodies only in the eschaton, so… we know that they did not. That’s critical, because…
Tell me: would a literal, physical chasm keep a spirit contained and boxed in? Of course not! So, there’s your answer right there: a literal, physical ‘chasm’ would have no effects on souls in Abraham’s Bosom. But hey – if you want to continue to assert (in the face of all logical discussion to the contrary) that it’s a literal, physical description… well, have at it! :whacky:
Hmm. Sure seems like you do…
Thank YOU!
=patmiron;13196569]when Satan fought God for control of Heaven and LOST!
Lucifer disobeyed God and then God created hell which is a separation from God.
Why are two of ya’ll using a single account?
Interesting question. I have never considered it before. I will keep for consideration as I continue my search…