When will Protestantism dissapear?

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viktor aleksndr:
God’s detractors will never perish here on earth until the second coming.

I think as immorality increases the protestantism increases.

+divorce = +protestants
+stem cell research = +protestantism
+abortion = +protestantism
  • same sex marriages = + protestantism
(+) means increase

Let’s pray for the attacker of the Catholic Church. May God have mercy on them.
ok let me get this straight… you think that protestants are responsible for increace in divorse, abortion, gay marriage, and stem cell research!!! That is the most backward logic (or lack thereof) I have ever heard of. Besides protestantism (if you want to call it that) is not the fastest growing religion in the world, Islam is. Jeez, why not just blame the protestants for global warming and scale buildup in your shower?

Here is another observation, i know more Catholics who have had abortions, support stem cell research and a few who have been divorsed. To me it looks like a Catholic is more immoral so should I base my opinions only on what I see around me? Obviously you have decided that protestants are the scapegoat for all the problems in the world, and rather than dealing with them in YOUR corner of the world it’s easier to blame a group that you abviously don’t want to try to understand. Mind the trunk in your eye…
 
Protestantism will never disappear.

While it sprang out of unhappiness with the abuses which were being perpetrated by the Church, those abuses are long gone and Protestantism remains.

The problem is twofold. First, since Protestantism was founded by schism, it cannot present any reasonable argument against further separations. Every time that a Protestant feels that his/her church is not teaching ‘Biblical truth’, i.e., not the truth according to his/her own reading to the text, the believer leaves the congregation and forms a new church. The endless ability to create new varieties ensures that some will survive, a la biodiversity.

Second, many Protestant churches propagate an anti-Catholic ideology in order to justify their continued separation from the Catholic Church: Catholics worship Mary as a goddess and the saints as gods, Catholics do not believe in the Bible, the Pope is in league with Satan, and so on. As silly as it all sounds, you find very similar comments made by Catholics about Protestants.
 
I think that, in Salvation History, it almost always works out that first comes bad news and then good news or, in other words, resistance to God and His Plan, followed by a redemption. It seems, however, that, since St. Augustine, the Church has tended to feel that whereas this alternating pattern of resistance/redemption is a fair assessment of OT history, the pattern has been interrupted in the NT era, so that good and evil coexist equally across the age of the Church, instead of alternating in prevalence. That is, this is the essential view of amill, based on the parable of the Wheat and the Tares in Matt. 13.

Whereas I believe that the fully allegorical interpretation of amill may be admitted as a secondary meaning of the text of Rev. 20, I dispute that that is the primary, literal sense of the text. That is, I’m a postmiller. This places me at odds with the most in the Church. Us postmillies are like the bastard children of the Catholic Church. We’re a minority, just like DO’s are a minority in the vast ocean of MD’s in medicine.

At any rate, I believe that the alternating pattern continues into the Church age, so that my interpretation of John 17:20-23 is that it suggests this same alternating pattern: first comes bad news (the effects of the Fall), followed by good news (the effects of the Redemption). In this view, Christ’s prayer for unity has a part I (effects of the Fall) and a part II (effects of the Redemption). That is, in the first great era of Church history, there will be an initial conversion, but because of the fallen nature of man, there will be division amongst Christ’s disciples. Further, the prayer seems to imply that if unity is attained, it will enable the world to believe. Hence, the counterpart would be, if there is not unity, the world will have difficulty believing. Therefore, by that very fact, it seems that in the first great age of the Church, the disunity will cause a loss of faith, even an apostasy. But then, in the second great age of the Church, Christ’s Redemptive power will bring about unity, thereby restoring the faith of the world and bringing a second, more perfect conversion, an era where the Gospel will reign quite well. According to the EWTN experts Collin Donovan and Desmond Birch, this seems to be the best scenario that can be drawn from the data of the *approved *Private Revelations. The following article on EWTN provides the details:

http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/endtimes.htm

Here, in fact, is a quote which states this:

“Approved Catholic mystics (Venerables, Blessed and Saints, approved apparitions) throw considerable light on this order, by prophesying a minor apostasy and tribulation toward the end of the world, after which will occur the reunion of Christians. Only later will the entire world fall away from Christ (the great apostasy) and the personal Antichrist arise and the Tribulation of the End occur.”

Hence, God is allowing the division of His disciples and the confounding of the Revelation in order to draw a greater good: He will manifest to man, in a painful teaching lesson of a Chastisement, the errors of rejecting the various truths and graces of the Church, thereby vindicating the Revelation of the Church and reconciling the world back to the Church for a great era of spiritual and materialistic prosperity.

Of course, the world will eventually fall away at some point later, but then they won’t have an excuse, for they will have already learned their lesson. God will then be truly just in ending the world at that time.
 
No one knows if the predictions of mystics are true until they happen. There may be a minor apostasy followed by the reunion of Christians, but I think that’s not quite what will happen. I think that the Church will go through a true restoration of faith and the Protestants will simply dwindle out of existence as society becomes more and more secular. Many Protestant denoms are losing their young people through attrition–their parents were lax and their children don’t practice at all, and so on. We Catholics nearly fell into that too, but the Church will go on because the Holy Spirit is with her. There will always be revivals of the Faith in every generation until the end of time.
 
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Mickey:
Okay, Mickey the guru will take a stab. 😃

Not until the second coming.
If protestantism as we know it today disappears, it will be replaced by something as divisive if not more so. This is the nature of the father of lies. People will continue to be blinded and deceived until Jesus sets it all straight.
My thoughts exactly!!!

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Originally Posted by Mickey
Okay, Mickey the guru will take a stab.
Not until the second coming.
If protestantism as we know it today disappears, it will be replaced by something as divisive if not more so. This is the nature of the father of lies. People will continue to be blinded and deceived until Jesus sets it all straight.
This is so true! After all, the modern Protestants really are the early Church heretics in different guise, although most are unaware of it. There’s really nothing new under the sun.
 
viktor aleksndr:
God’s detractors will never perish here on earth until the second coming.

I think as immorality increases the protestantism increases.

+divorce = +protestants
+stem cell research = +protestantism
+abortion = +protestantism
  • same sex marriages = + protestantism
(+) means increase

Let’s pray for the attacker of the Catholic Church. May God have mercy on them.
That one doesn’t make much sense… the largest Protestant body in the U.S., the Southern Baptist Convention, stands vehemently against all those things. So what you’ve posted is a non sequitur.

The attacker of Christianity is the sin that has Christians attacking Christians. And, as someone else noted, Islam is growing by leaps and bounds.

The largest growing group in the U.S. are those who have no faith at all.

O+
 
O.S. Luke:
That one doesn’t make much sense… the largest Protestant body in the U.S., the Southern Baptist Convention, stands vehemently against all those things. So what you’ve posted is a non sequitur
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O+O+

During the 1970’s the S. Baptists issued statements on abortion which were very pro-choice. In 2003, the SBC president apologized for those statements.To this day my parents believe that the abortion they insisted I have at age 19 was morally acceptable according to what my former church was teaching. One has to wonder, however, what impact the S. Baptist support of abortion rights during the 1970’s might have had on the abortion movement in general as the S. Baptists are the largest Protestant denomination. Also it’s interesting that the SBC refuses to condemn forms of “contraception” which can and do sometimes cause early abortions—the pill, the patch, the implant and the IUD. If they can accept abortifacient contraception, why not eventually embryonic stem cell research? Both bring about the destruction of new human life.

In 1990, many SBC churches left the convention and formed the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship—this denomination refuses to take a stance one way or the other on the abortion issue and its leaders refuse to issue any statement on abortion. This denomination also contributes to pro-homosexual causes. Many of the “First” Baptist churches of our Southern cities have switched over to the CBF.
 
I’m a newcomer to the faith from a Protestant Church, and I have this to say- Quit whining and get over the curb. Protestanism isn’t evil, and it ain’t going anywhere. They believe in the same God and Christ as us, and salvation is assured for them if their faith is genuine.
It’s nit-picking idiocy like this about the same all-powerful kind and loving God we believe in that has fueled the fires of hatred and violence in Northern Ireland between Protestants and Catholics and has served to divide Sunni and Shi’ite Muslims (To all our Muslim friends, forgive me if I misspelled. Peace be upon you, and peace be upon God’s prophet Mohammed.).
 
I think those pseudo-Christian groups (like the Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses) will probably disappear first before the Protestants.
 
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blackstone:
Why would something that God himself raised up disappear ?
Did God raise Protestantism in the 1500’s? :confused: I’m pretty sure Luther started Protestantism not God.
 
Personnally, I think it’s possible that protestantism would end if the Lutherans, Anglicans, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox join the Catholic Church. I think the great schism may have influenced protestantism, and the Lutherans and Anglicans were the first protestant churches. Hopefully, then most protestants would stop protesting, lol.
 
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Madaglan:
How many more years do you give Protestantism before it essentially collapses, vanishes from the world (save a crazed intellectual here and there)? It took a few hundred years for Arianism to dissapear, and just a few less for Cathars to fade away. The Montanists lasted a few centuries, before the last remnants were restored to the Church (by St. Augustine if I remember correctly). Gnosticism lasted for a long while in the West before being controled.

Any prophesies on the fall of Protestantism are most welcome 😃
Actually, gnosticism still exists, lol.:bigyikes: :banghead: I guess it was recently revived, and Dan Brown seems to have strengthened it a bit.:whacky: Heresies will always be around until the Second comming of Christ. I guess at that time the Vatican might be vacant for a while, or maybe the Church will be like the underground early Church with “Peter the Roman” as Pope. If St. Malachy’s prophesy is right and not a forgery.
 
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WolfStar777:
I’m a newcomer to the faith from a Protestant Church, and I have this to say- Quit whining and get over the curb. Protestanism isn’t evil, and it ain’t going anywhere. They believe in the same God and Christ as us, and salvation is assured for them if their faith is genuine.
It’s nit-picking idiocy like this about the same all-powerful kind and loving God we believe in that has fueled the fires of hatred and violence in Northern Ireland between Protestants and Catholics and has served to divide Sunni and Shi’ite Muslims (To all our Muslim friends, forgive me if I misspelled. Peace be upon you, and peace be upon God’s prophet Mohammed.).
Wolf-star-----why did you become Catholic? Do you actually believe everything the Church teaches? It sounds like to you religion is unimportant—we just need genuine faith in God. While not entirely disagreeing with that statement, I ask you, was it important for you to find Christ’s true Church in your search or is any church ok?
 
In truth, I would love to see Protestantism disappear, and I’m a Protestant! In order for that to happen, though, I think all of us need to do a better job of communicating our beliefs with one another. Just a few hours of reading the articles on this site and the posts on this forum has led me to realize how much we really have in common and how much language has gotten in our way. Also, I’ve never had Catholic doctrines explained to me in such a way by a Catholic before. There is a sense in which we Protestants need to be evangelized by you. Thankfully, most Protestant churches have retained the central gospel of Christ, but we need to have the so-called extra teachings of the Church explained to us. Most of us have never actually made a choice to reject the authority of the Church or to “turn away from the truth” as someone here put it. We have grown up surrounded by completely different interpretations of certain passages of scripture, a near-complete ignorance of early church writings, and an unfamiliarity with the worship style of Catholics. Is it no small wonder, then, that we object to the Catholic Church’s insistence that we accept all Her teachings, when to us they often seem to be the invention of man? I’m not saying this to in any way condemn individual Catholics, Protestants, or the various churches, but to point out that someone must begin actively building bridges if we are ever again to be united. I don’t believe that this is too great a task for God’s grace.
 
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SweetTeacher:
When I said ‘ecumenical,’ though, isn’t that a term by which the Catholic Church describes itself quite a bit? What exactly do they mean by it then?
SweetTeacher
There’s a thread somewhere around here about the Catholic meaning of ecumenism. I recall some rather mean-spirited posters, though, so beware. You might just try looking the term up on the Vatican website. There should be some good stuff there. I’m an Anglican, so I can’t help you out too much, but I couldn’t see that anyone had addressed the question.
 
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deb1:
I think that too many people when reading the word ‘Protestant’ in their minds see the radical fundamentalists who is rabidly antiCatholic. There are many Protestants who are neither anti Catholic or extreme liberals. They are often very good, very sincere Christians, who are as offended by Catholic bashing as we are.

I voted no without the muwahahaha(Although, I like saying that outloud:) ). I don’t want Protestant denominations to vanish because they-even the extreme fundamentalists-might be replaced by something much worse. Do we really want someone like Bishop SPonge designing a church?:nope:

Fundamentalism is a virus of which the the vast majority of Catholics & the vast majority of Protestants have no need at all.​

Thanks to the global reach of the US Colossus, Fundamentalism is infecting the rest of us. 😦 ##
 
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