When will the insanity end?

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guanophore said:
Do you think that all of them have the fullness of what Jesus intended? Even though it is painful to hear, you are basically saying that you think the Roman Catholic Church is defective…how is that different?
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Hmm, food for thought there…thanks…I will think on it and get back to you. 🙂
 
guanophore said:
That certainly carries a condescending tone…😦
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Ah… another Analyst and a Briefer…I’m impressed 😃 .

guanophore, don’t jump on the “attack and judge JimmyB” band-wagon, I like you and I usually do not post in disagreement with you. Please do not create conflict where there isn’t much conflict to start with.

I meant that post in a friendly “tone” and I should not have to explain everything I post here, to everyone here. I know when people here are interjecting a little levity and when they are serious.

However, there are some troublemakers here who will attack me and anything I post…for the simple reason that they are anti-Catholic, or in some cases “new” Catholics who are overly sensitive and judgmental and do not like “grumpy” old-Catholic men, like me who “speak” in a direct manor.

Haven’t you figured that out yet?

Be nice and remember that I like you. 🙂

Peace
 
childofmary1143 said:
Priests could NEVER marry at any time. Married men can become Priests in certain circumstances in the Latin Rite and in other Valid Rites.
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Yes, priests did marry, absolutely for the first few hundred years of the Church…it was slowly implemented over time.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_celibacy
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It is undisputed that the earliest Christian leaders were very largely married men. The mention in Mark 1:30 of Saint Peter’s mother-in-law indicates that he was married, while 1 Corinthians 7:1-16 is taken to mean that Paul the Apostle was unmarried.[4]**

In 888, two local councils, that of Metz and that of Mainz, prohibited cohabitation even with wives living in continence. This tendency was taken up by the eleventh-century Gregorian Reform, which aimed at eliminating what it called “Nicolaitism”,[29] that is clerical marriage, which in spite of being theoretically excluded was in fact practised,[30] and concubinage.
 
onetimeposter said:
Yes, priests did marry, absolutely for the first few hundred years of the Church…it was slowly implemented over time.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_celibacy
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It is undisputed that the earliest Christian leaders were very largely married men. The mention in Mark 1:30 of Saint Peter’s mother-in-law indicates that he was married, while 1 Corinthians 7:1-16 is taken to mean that Paul the Apostle was unmarried.[4]**

In 888, two local councils, that of Metz and that of Mainz, prohibited cohabitation even with wives living in continence. This tendency was taken up by the eleventh-century Gregorian Reform, which aimed at eliminating what it called “Nicolaitism”,[29] that is clerical marriage, which in spite of being theoretically excluded was in fact practised,[30] and concubinage.
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Thanks for your post.

First off I made the distinction that married men could become Priests and there is a distinction between that and what I am getting from you. A Man can get married first, then become a Priest. However, a man who becomes a Priest first can’t get married.

Regarding St. Peter, he was married FIRST, then become a Priest.

Also Wikipedia is not the most accurate website. People can post misleading information on there.

Perhaps you could cite a Catholic website that proves that Priests (first) got married?
 
childofmary1143 said:
Thanks for your post.

First off I made the distinction that married men could become Priests and there is a distinction between that and what I am getting from you. A Man can get married first, then become a Priest. However, a man who becomes a Priest first can’t get married.

Regarding St. Peter, he was married FIRST, then become a Priest.

Also Wikipedia is not the most accurate website. People can post misleading information on there.

Perhaps you could cite a Catholic website that proves that Priests (first) got married?
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Priests were never married? You REALLY need to study your own church’s history.
 
Jimmy_B said:
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Ah… another Analyst and a Briefer...I'm impressed :D .
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No, an analyst would need access to your thoughts and feelings. All we can do here is observe behavior, and that within a very small sample. My observation and my impressions belong to me, and not to you. I am not sure what the “briefer” part is about. Is anyone’s opinion considered a “brief”?

guanophore, don’t jump on the “attack and judge JimmyB” band-wagon, I like you and I usually do not post in disagreement with you. Please do not create conflict where there isn’t much conflict to start with.

I do believe that your motives are good. I was objecting to your methods, is all. As I have said, I am very pleased that you are so proud of your religion. In the process of touting in, it appears that you find others deficient, which is, of course, your perogative. I affirm your right to find fault with others. I just don’t like it. :o
Jimmy_B said:
I meant that post in a friendly “tone” and I should not have to explain everything I post here, to everyone here. I know when people here are interjecting a little levity and when they are serious.
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Many members have commented about the methods that you are using to create discussion, and the manner in which you start threads. There is a pattern, and people do take it seriously.
Jimmy_B said:
However, there are some troublemakers here who will attack me and anything I post…for the simple reason that they are anti-Catholic, or in some cases “new” Catholics who are overly sensitive and judgmental and do not like “grumpy” old-Catholic men, like me who “speak” in a direct manor.Haven’t you figured that out yet?
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Yes, I recognize that.
Jimmy_B said:
Be nice and remember that I like you. 🙂

Peace
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My affirmation of your fervent and apparently sincere faith expression does not mean that I appreciate your techniques. Like I said, if I feel marginalized as a non-Roman Catholic, I can certainly understand how Protestants get that impression from your posts.
 
Jimmy_B said:
Let’s talk about personal interpretation of the Bible and the divisions in Christianity today.
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When it comes to personal interpretation, I can’t help thinking of saint John of the Cross In the first two parts of “Ascending the Mount Carmel”… We may be misguided when we experience something that appears to be a manifestation of God to us because our senses are distorted and because Satan can make us believe it’s from God when it might not be so.
I would think it’s the same with personal interpretation, especially if we think we have found a new thing, and an exciting one at that… yes, I know it happens! And yet we might be easily deceived as to such interpretation being coming from God.
This is why I am grateful that we have the Magisterium of the Church to guide us, tell the correct interpretation of the Biblical texts, especially the Gospel, and signal us the errors where one can fall in not considering the whole picture!
The Church doesn’t invent her doctrines, God had made her discover, believe, deepen and clarify them. Thanks be to God for our mother the Church!
 
Lapell said:
When it comes to personal interpretation, I can’t help thinking of saint John of the Cross In the first two parts of “Ascending the Mount Carmel”… We may be misguided when we experience something that appears to be a manifestation of God to us because our senses are distorted and because Satan can make us believe it’s from God when it might not be so.
I would think it’s the same with personal interpretation, especially if we think we have found a new thing, and an exciting one at that… yes, I know it happens! And yet we might be easily deceived as to such interpretation being coming from God.
This is why I am grateful that we have the Magisterium of the Church to guide us, tell the correct interpretation of the Biblical texts, especially the Gospel, and signal us the errors where one can fall in not considering the whole picture!
The Church doesn’t invent her doctrines, God had made her discover, believe, deepen and clarify them. Thanks be to God for our mother the Church!
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Thank you Lapell,

What a great post!

I love Saint John of the Cross! Everyone should read, the “Dark Night of the Soul”. I also love Saint Teresa of Avila.

You have great signature as well. Bishop Fulton J. Sheen was a great man and an Apostle of Common-Sense, right up there with G.K. Chesterton and Cardinal Newman… in my opinion. We need more like them today. Father John Corapi is ill, I sure hope that he has a full recovery and can resume his mission.

And on that note, I think I’ll take a break and do some more reading and less posting, some here are getting way too worked up by the truth in my threads.

God Bless You! 🙂
 
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