When your car gets attacked by a mob of leftists do this

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RhodesianSon said:
If we’re going to be honest the American revolution was fought so the merchant class could make more money.
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Interesting opinion, and one that has had increasing publication in past 30 years or so as the leftists have taken over academia.

HoweverI disagree. The mercantile class WHO SURVIVE war make a lot of money. The issue for them, of course, is how do you survive the war.

Many who signed the Declaration of Independence lost everything, including their lives, during the war. I think this is enough to disprove this theory.

However I dont disagree that war is indeed good for (some) businesses. And a good businessman (the merchant class) will find the right business to be in.
 
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RhodesianSon . . .
It is rather tiresome with some people how they can make anything about abortion.
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Why?

Isn’t it in principle, an issue related to the mistreatment of blacks (as well as other people)?

And as long as you bring up Godwin’s law . . .

Do you think it is a big deal redefining people as less than people (such as slavery, naziism, and abortion)?

Or is that OK?
 
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It’s certainly a big deal. But not every topic has to be about abortion.
 
Balto1 said:
It’s not related to CHOP, protesters have shut down I-5 every night for three weeks. It’s been suggested that the attack was motivated by the unrest in Ethiopia, and the Ethiopian president saying that the American BLM movement is an enemy of the people being puppeted by Jews and responsible for the Oromo Lives Matter movement.
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Nope, it wasn’t shut down every night for three weeks.

And the street protesting did increase after CHOP was terminated. That was the only time I saw 30 bicyclists in black planning their move in the empty lot next to my office. You can’t talk BLM protesting IN SEATTLE and pretend it wasn’t connected with CHAZ/CHOP. Ethiopia is another continent, CHAZ was <10 blocks away.
 
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Theo520 said:
Nope, it wasn’t shut down every night for three weeks .
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Yes, it was. This is a basic fact cited in almost every single article about the attack, and emphasized multiple times in public Washington State Patrol statements. For this simple fact to not be true you would have to explain why the Washington State Patrol is lying about closing I-5 every night for three weeks, and how the protesters who livestreamed each freeway protest faked their livestreamed videos for three weeks.
Theo520 said:
Ethiopia is another continent, CHAZ was <10 blocks away.
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And freeways across the United States have been shut down by Ethiopian protesters in the last week.
 
Balto1 said:
Yes, it was. This is a basic fact cited in almost every single article about the attack, and emphasized multiple times in public
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Check your sources again dear, I live here and drive past Capital Hill on I5 daily to get to and from work
 
www.kiro7.com

Death of I-5 protester sparks end of nighttime freeway protests

WASHINGTON — Washington State Patrol is working to prevent another tragedy after a protester died when a vehicle veered around a barricade on I-5 and plowed into them.
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Still, walking on I-5 is illegal. But the Washington State Patrol looked the other way, even setting up barriers during the nearly three weeks of nighttime protests on the freeway.
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Here’s one source. You can let me know how many additional sources you’d like me to post.
 
vz71 said:
So do we believe a media that has lied in the past or someone that was there and can bear witness first hand?
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We should listen to people who witnessed the protests firsthand. For example, the protesters that blocked I-5 every night and livestreamed videos of those protests were eyewitnesses. The officers of the Washington State Patrol that shut down I-5 nightly were also eyewitnesses. For example, from two weeks before the attack:

mynorthwest.com

Washington State Patrol plans to keep shutting down I-5 for protests

As long as the CHOP area is alive and well on Capitol Hill, you should expect I-5 closures any time protesters decide to march to the West Precinct.
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Marches from Capitol Hill to the West Precinct in downtown Seattle have become a daily occurrence, during which Washington State Patrol has been at the ready to close the freeway.

The protesters’ path takes them right over I-5, and sometimes a few of them make a run to the freeway itself. Trooper Rick Johnson said closing the freeway is all about keeping the protesters safe.

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Johnson said WSP will continue to close the freeway any time marchers are on the move if their path takes them toward I-5, and the department is listening for any plans from protesters to try and take the freeway in a larger way.

“We are prepared,” he said. “Troopers know the marches are going to happen, and we’re prepared to close the freeway to make sure that everyone is safe.”

The state has already altered the express lane hours on I-5 to take that center roadway out of the equation. Those lanes close at 8 p.m. every night.
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And then in response to the attack:

mynorthwest.com

Washington State Patrol will no longer allow I-5 protests

The Washington State Patrol says it will no longer allow protesters to enter I-5. WSP says it'll arrest pedestrians who walk onto the freeway.
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You don’t have to believe that the WSP closed I-5 19 nights in a row in response to protesters in the same way you don’t have to believe that 2 + 2 = 4, I’m just mystified what you think you’re accomplishing by doing so. I’ve seen no one dispute this simple fact except for posters here, and it’s very odd.
 
Balto1 said:
If you’re referring to Theo520 they aren’t a firsthand witness, and their account is at odds with the accounts of the firsthand witnesses.
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And I was objecting to the claim it was shut down every day, which was not true. Yes it was shut down briefly multiple times, but not daily. I’m sorry it took a death for the protesters to recognize they were idiots, and for State Patrol to stop tolerating the behavior.
 
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Hume said:
What are you suggesting? She take out her AR-15 and start mowing people down? It’s an adult problem that doesn’t have a clear solution.

The first question I asked is what on Earth was she doing driving through there?
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That’s right – blame the victim. ALWAYS, blame the victim!

We should be free to drive anywhere in this country we please to go and not be threatened, have our lives and the lives of our families jeopardized and our property damaged or destroyed. That these folks choose to break the law isn’t our fault and shouldn’t be our problem!

I am appalled that anyone would blame the victims in these cases. We are innocents. THEY are the criminals. Not just protestors – outright thugs! They don’t need to threaten people to get a legitimate message across. They’re just out for violence, because, there’s NO ACCOUNTABILITY ANYMORE !!!

Shame on you for even suggesting this woman is in the wrong!
 
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JanR said:
That’s right – blame the victim. ALWAYS, blame the victim!
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Well, in the real world where things can’t usually be over-simplified to the point of fallacy into one of two hyper-narrow ideological camps…

…again, this is just the real world I’m describing…

…we run into this situation were the blame for complex problems is virtually never the property of one sole party.

Like the woman who shot her husband. She planned it out and straight-up murdered him. 100% she’s to blame, right?
Not if you factor the years of emotional and physical abuse the man put her through, often laced with enslaving promises of “if you ever leave me, I’ll kill you” or something like that.

The only people I know of that still credibly believe in black-and-white, “blame goes here and not here”, radically oversimplified explanations are children.

Children.

When one sees a mob, drive away from it it. If they decide to go through it, they assume ownership of some of the fault of anything that can potentially happen with unruly mobs. This is the educated, adult perspective.

And hey, I’m smart enough to know that there are 1% situations that can’t be avoided. The 1% doesn’t condemn the other 99%.

I’m also smart enough to know that when something bad happens, people usually omit the parts of the story that might make them seem like they could share a little of the fault-pie. “I was just a sweet little babe in the woods and this big, bad wolf came up!”
Sure…
 
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It’s still not her fault that these so-called “protestors” choose to break the law by exacting violence against people who have every right to be in their vehicles and drive wherever they need or want to go in a supposedly “free” country. She isn’t the criminal, here. THEY are!

Nor is it her fault that nobody is present to protect and serve law abiding citizens from criminal thugs by breaking up these unruly mobs so that peaceful citizens can go about the business of living their lives, because law enforcement is being stifled by city officials who have long since lost their sense of moral and official duty, which is to protect the innocent citizens of their communities.

Was there an alternative route this lady could have taken that was safer? Maybe yes, maybe no. Maybe that was the only route she could have driven that would have taken her where she needed to go.

But even if it wasn’t, she still had a right to be able to travel the streets and not be assaulted by people whose only purpose for being there was to commit acts of violence and exact mayhem and destruction. Those people were rioters, not peaceful protestors. Nowhere in our Constitution does it allow for anyone to commit injustice while protesting injustice.

Did she need to be out at that time? Maybe she did. Suppose she had urgent business to attend to that couldn’t wait? Maybe she had a sick child she needed to get to, or maybe she had a medical situation that required immediate attention. Maybe she had a job to get to. Maybe classes. Or maybe she just needed to get out of her house for awhile.

It doesn’t matter. She still had a right to be able to go about her life in a peaceful fashion and be safe doing so. She had every right to be able to travel peacefully in her vehicle and not be molested by a mob of hoodlums who have no regard for the law or for human life – black, blue or otherwise.

And the only reason she wasn’t safe was because those whose duty and responsibility it is to to keep citizens safe decided to renege on their sworn oaths to do so, and to force their police departments to do likewise.

These mayors and governors share in the culpability along with those violent and riotous “protestors”, by refusing to do their (taxpayer funded) jobs to restore and maintain order.

This woman does NOT share in the culpability. It’s easy to scapegoat innocent victims to avoid placing responsibility on the shoulders of those to whom it really belongs.

Easy, but not acceptable.
 
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Hume said:
Like the woman who shot her husband. She planned it out and straight-up murdered him. 100% she’s to blame, right?
Not if you factor the years of emotional and physical abuse the man put her through, often laced with enslaving promises of “if you ever leave me, I’ll kill you” or something like that.
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Where is this in the news story?
I thought we were discussing a an attack by an angry mob.
 
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