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Ah, I think you may have accidentally gone to the old people Mass. There are also parishes where that is the teen Mass slot, though.

5 PM is definitely not the little kid Mass.
Agreed. We sometimes end up at the Saturday evening Mass and often seem to be one of the only families there. Our parish doesn’t even offer nursery for evening Masses. So I’d try a different time, OP. And if you still don’t see a lot of large families, you can always try a different parish.
 
OP here: thank you to all the posters who have been so gracious in their responses. You have enlightened me! We went both times to a Saturday night Mass. This parish has 5 Masses each weekend. I know the kids weren’t in the nursery, because there were only six kids in the nursery, and 3 of them were mine! I suppose maybe Saturday night is not the popular Mass to bring your children.

My heart goes out to those who experience infertility. I myself lost a little one to miscarriage 4 years ago, on my birthday. 😦

Maybe we will try a different Mass time. It would be an encouragement for my children to see that there are other large families there to make friends with. It’s so rare to find large families in the regular world who can relate to the unique family dynamics of having lots of kids. We are leaving a very small (about ten families) Protestant church where most of the families are large, homeschooling families (like us). My older children feel a little like we are ripping them away from their normal.
Saturday evening Mass tends to be more popular for elderly folks and retirees, in my experience. The ones where I see the most kids with their parents are those in the range of 9-11AM Mass times. Also, parishes that offer the traditional Latin Mass on Sundays also tend to have more large families for all Mass times on Sundays, not just the Latin Mass time.

I am sorry for your loss. I have also suffered two miscarriages, in my first trimester. When I think about my children and family size, I always silently include them in my count. So do my oldest two kids, who were old enough to be aware of the loss.

I hope you are able to meet some large families at your parish. I remember when we were taking our NFP courses alongside RCIA, our instructors opened with a joke on themselves. They were a CCL couple, with 10 kids. They have since had two more! 😃
 
Psalm 127 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)

God’s Blessings in the Home
A Song of Ascents. Of Solomon.

127 Unless the Lord builds the house,
those who build it labor in vain.
Unless the Lord watches over the city,
the watchman stays awake in vain.
2 It is in vain that you rise up early and go late to rest,
eating the bread of anxious toil;
for he gives to his beloved sleep.
3 Lo, sons are a heritage from the Lord,
the fruit of the womb a reward.
4 Like arrows in the hand of a warrior
are the sons of one’s youth.
5 Happy is the man who has
his quiver full of them!
He shall not be put to shame
when he speaks with his enemies in the gate.
 
Psalm 127 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)

God’s Blessings in the Home
A Song of Ascents. Of Solomon.

127 Unless the Lord builds the house,
those who build it labor in vain.
Unless the Lord watches over the city,
the watchman stays awake in vain.
2 It is in vain that you rise up early and go late to rest,
eating the bread of anxious toil;
for he gives to his beloved sleep.
3 Lo, sons are a heritage from the Lord,
the fruit of the womb a reward.
4 Like arrows in the hand of a warrior
are the sons of one’s youth.
5 Happy is the man who has
his quiver full of them!
He shall not be put to shame
when he speaks with his enemies in the gate.
Basically–Happy the man with many full-grown sons, for he shall put the hurt on his enemies.

These verses are somewhat ironic if you know the history of King David’s reign–his sons were a continual source of pain to him. (For more detail, google Amnon and Absalom.)
 
OP here: thank you to all the posters who have been so gracious in their responses. You have enlightened me! We went both times to a Saturday night Mass. This parish has 5 Masses each weekend. I know the kids weren’t in the nursery, because there were only six kids in the nursery, and 3 of them were mine! I suppose maybe Saturday night is not the popular Mass to bring your children.

My heart goes out to those who experience infertility. I myself lost a little one to miscarriage 4 years ago, on my birthday. 😦

Maybe we will try a different Mass time. It would be an encouragement for my children to see that there are other large families there to make friends with. It’s so rare to find large families in the regular world who can relate to the unique family dynamics of having lots of kids. We are leaving a very small (about ten families) Protestant church where most of the families are large, homeschooling families (like us). My older children feel a little like we are ripping them away from their normal.
👋 We have 9 living at home, one has moved out on his own and 4 in heaven 😃 When it’s less muddy I’ll go and visit my little baby who is at our church cemetery. He’s our youngest. He was still born, but still loved 🙂

I agree that you may have to find the right mass time or the right parish to find the families. Large families can also be a bit hard to find…we don’t fit into the common way of life and so we won’t always be seen in normal church gatherings. Unless someone else has a large family, a big group like mine can overwhelm them, so we tend to hang out with other large families. It’s not that we don’t love others with smaller size families, we just have different needs…when a mom complains about having to do five loads on the weekend, it’s hard to relate when I have to do 5 loads daily. Just an example. We are different. That’s all. It also seems to be the smaller families that are free to volunteer and run the organizations in our parish. Thank God they can! We are just doing other things and so not as active in our parish life. So you may have to do a little searching to find those really large families. Five kids is an average size family in our parish. My family with 10 living kids is not even close to the largest family…one family was blessed with 17 living children ❤️

Does your parish have a school? If it does, the families are around, you may just have to do a little searching. Mass isn’t as much of a social gathering as some Protestant services can be. You’ll have to check the bulletin for activities. Also check to see if you there are any Catholic homeschool groups. We have a few of those around and I have found many great friends that way.
 
Nice. :mad:

I’d give just about anything to have more kids, especially the kind that end up in my house rather than the grave. But people just look at me and think exactly what you just said. Unless you KNOW that a family contracepts, and I’m guessing you won’t know this about many people, I suggest keeping your mouth shut.
emphasis mine

Perhaps you should offer the same mercy to this poster that you want them to offer to you.

While your situation is very difficult, why not be willing to see that many of the people that choose to have 2, do so by choice? Check out research polls and you will find that many Catholics do choose to contracept.

I have a large family, but have also had quite a few losses including 2 later in the second trimester. I receive plenty of comments that can sting from those in a similar situation as yourself telling me I should just be grateful for the ones I was blessed to have.

As if missing those I have lost, somehow means I’m ungrateful for those I have.

I think we can all learn to have charity for another’s words and realize we are not always innocent in the way we say or see things.
 
Ah, I think you may have accidentally gone to the old people Mass. There are also parishes where that is the teen Mass slot, though.

5 PM is definitely not the little kid Mass.
I hate taking my kids to that Mass. I have to get them up from their nap early to make it and they’re hungry for dinner. It’s the worst Mass time ever!
 
Sometimes the large families are there but are not visible.
On a recent Sunday, I had two children serving, one sitting with my parents on the other side of the church, one sitting in the back and two sitting with my husband and me.
 
You are assuming that everyone who is open to having children will have more than two. Not everyone is so blessed. My dh and I have none, but we did nothing to prevent it. It’s not for any of us to say who is faithful to Church teachings/who isn’t based solely on the number of children they have.
I can say whatever I want, but when everyone went from having a good number and now everyone has two you know something is going on just because one person can’t have kids whatever I’m obviously not talking about you and your husband.
It is not NT teaching nor that of the Church that women have to have as many children as possible. That verse is often abused by those who want to believe it does, but we don’t go by our personal interpretation of any one verse or passage, but by the Church’s interpretation and teaching.
We can’t go by personal interpretation? Be fruitful and multiply, women are saved thru childbirth, Catholics traditionally have had big families. But Della says that’s wrong, but she isn’t changing the words. Ok great Della!
 
Women are “saved” thru childbirth?
What about the women who cannot have children? What about nuns, who choose not to have children?
They are not “saved”?

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That’s actually a very good observation women who are not saved by childbirth are saved through virginity which is why we honor virgins along the line of the same class as martyrs, and priests.
 
Nice. :mad:

I’d give just about anything to have more kids, especially the kind that end up in my house rather than the grave. But people just look at me and think exactly what you just said. Unless you KNOW that a family contracepts, and I’m guessing you won’t know this about many people, I suggest keeping your mouth shut.
Look all the women that can’t have kids obviously have some extra time on their hands and are getting fussy tonight. If someone can’t get to mass is it a sin? No, so maybe you aren’t so smart and can’t figure out two cockamamie sentences someone writes. But you are not the problem here it’s the people committing mortal sin by contracepting which is many of these new so-called devout Catholics.
 
Women are “saved” thru childbirth?
What about the women who cannot have children? What about nuns, who choose not to have children?
They are not “saved”?

.
The poster was quoting the Apostle Paul who does say, in Scripture, that women are saved through childbirth. Obviously the Church doesn’t teach that women must give birth to be saved… consecrated life is a higher vocation than married life and nuns / sisters / consecrated virgins deliberately choose NOT to be biological mothers. I know some theologians would say that Our Lady, who gave birth to the Saviour, mystically fulfills this requirement for our entire race. The act of giving birth was itself sanctified and united to the work of redemption.
 
emphasis mine

Perhaps you should offer the same mercy to this poster that you want them to offer to you.

While your situation is very difficult, why not be willing to see that many of the people that choose to have 2, do so by choice? Check out research polls and you will find that many Catholics do choose to contracept.

I have a large family, but have also had quite a few losses including 2 later in the second trimester. I receive plenty of comments that can sting from those in a similar situation as yourself telling me I should just be grateful for the ones I was blessed to have.

As if missing those I have lost, somehow means I’m ungrateful for those I have.

I think we can all learn to have charity for another’s words and realize we are not always innocent in the way we say or see things.
How many of those polls split out by people who actually go to Mass - which is what the question in the OP is about? I’m genuinely curious. Because I’m suspicious that the statistics may be different if that is taken into account.

That said, the long and short of it is that you can’t many large families there are at a parish or how many families contracept at a parish just by looking at the pews.

ETA - The last comment is a general one and not directed at the poster I quoted or any one in particular. Just my general thoughts on the subject. 🙂
 
I can say whatever I want, but when everyone went from having a good number and now everyone has two you know something is going on just because one person can’t have kids whatever I’m obviously not talking about you and your husband.

We can’t go by personal interpretation? Be fruitful and multiply, women are saved thru childbirth, Catholics traditionally have had big families. But Della says that’s wrong, but she isn’t changing the words. Ok great Della!
CAF has rules on civility and you are sailing very close to the wind.

Also, I can’t help but notice that you aren’t quoting the Catechism or any papal documents. I think there are a number that you should probably familiarize yourself with.

In case you didn’t know, it is pretty rude to be speculating about the functionality of other people’s reproductive organs.
 
Look all the women that can’t have kids obviously have some extra time on their hands and are getting fussy tonight. If someone can’t get to mass is it a sin? No, so maybe you aren’t so smart and can’t figure out two cockamamie sentences someone writes. But you are not the problem here it’s the people committing mortal sin by contracepting which is many of these new so-called devout Catholics.
Reported for rudeness.
 
No the rhythm method is really wonderful I misspoke. I mean Planned Parenthood. I mean Natural Family Planning…
I’m reporting that remark, also.

If you want to stay on CAF, you need to stop gratuitously insulting people.
 
How many of those polls split out by people who actually go to Mass - which is what the question in the OP is about? I’m genuinely curious. Because I’m suspicious that the statistics may be different if that is taken into account.

That said, the long and short of it is that you can’t many large families there are at a parish or how many families contracept at a parish just by looking at the pews.

ETA - The last comment is a general one and not directed at the poster I quoted or any one in particular. Just my general thoughts on the subject. 🙂
Of course you can’t tell just by looking at the pews, but according to the women that make up the mom groups at three of my former parishes, most of the families I know that are sitting in the pews at Mass are contracepting. Four seems to be the absolute cutoff in many people’s minds before having one spouse or the other sterilized. I am from a family of 16 kids. About 8 either one spouse or the other is sterilized, on the pill, using conforms, etc. Yet all of us and our children are at Mass each and every Sunday. It really is naive to believe only Catholics that aren’t attending Mass are using contraception.

One thing I have noticed about Catholics that get sterilized–often there are regrets and they were very quick to reach out to me when I was pregnant and tell me not to panic. They assured me that they regret panicking and wish they had a few more kids. There certainly is no pride about their choice and they want to be sure others don’t do as they did. Most of the other ones using the pill or other forms aren’t as regretful, but maybe that is due to the fact that those methods are temporary. When regret hits, they have the option of changing.

And no, I’m not counting women who are using the pill or IUDs for medical issues. At each of the mom groups at the various parishes I’ve attended these ladies have openly admitted what their situation is during our section on discussing Church teaching on birth control. And most of these ladies see no contradiction whatsoever. Yes there are those of us that are faithful to the church’s teaching, but unless you are asking anonymous posters on CAF, most Catholic women aren’t able to make NFP work with those glowing results and most women aren’t using it as their method of choice. Most women that have smaller families are not experiencing fertility issues. I’m not denying that things happen, but those things are the exception in our parishes. It does no good to pretend otherwise. The majority of Catholic (and mixed) couples today are contracepting and that includes those sitting in the pews every week. Not all of us do. There are still quite a few big families even.
 
BOE:
Get a Catholic Catechism.
Read about how people of all genders are REALLY saved.
Read about NFP
Read about the mercy of God.
Read about the Sunday Mass obligation, and joy.

In short, learn about your faith. You have many erroneous opinions. The Church herself doesn’t teach “opinion”.

Why the attitude?
It’s Lent.
Who was angry during Christ’s Passion?
Not Jesus.

Something to think about.
 
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