Where are the Bible verses to back up baby sprinkling?

[tqualey]

Hi, Leslie,

I think you have received some excellent posts in response to your comments on baptism. If you don’t mind, I would like to make three observations on this matter:

Circumscision was done 8 days after the baby boy was born…Baptism was not…Christ was taken to the temple and circumscised, beauce that was the law…but was not baptised untill John the babtised, baptised Him. One was the old law and one was choice…thats what Paul was talking about.

1.) Only (infant) males were part of the contract that God made with Abraham - with Baptism, all of God’s children (girls, too!) are incorporated into the family in the same way.

2.) While it is possible to beat an analogy into the ground … it is also possible to beat it to death. There comes a point where the road sign is being confused for the road itself. God showed He was interested in infants being brought fully into being a memeber of His Chosen People. The real issue, at least as I preceive it, is the existence of Orignial Sin and true effect Baptism has on removing this mark of separation from God. To deny someone in sin (and that would be the infant you are denying Baptism to) the Power of God’s Grace to heal and forgive and allow them enterance into God’s Family is not in keeping with Christ’s own words of, “Suffer the little children to come to Me…”

3.) Based on the way you are going about this argument, since it was not written that any of the Apostles, Disciples and St. Paul were actually baptized (at least as you are defining it) then, this simply did not happen. Now, just take a ‘time out’ and think about that. Does that make ANY sense? I think you will find that honest answer is “NO” - but, then we are left with this really big problem - things really did happen in the Bible that were NOT written down. Now what? Obviously, Holy Scripture does not have all of the answers! This is why Catholics hold Sacred Tradition equal to Holy Scripture as expressing the Will of God for God’s Own Church (and, that would be the Catholic Church).

We are all born spiritual orphans. An apparant orphan child does not know about their inheritance. When the Father steps up to claim that child and make that child part of the Family - then all of the inheritance goes to them…but, not before. Baptism makes us Children of God and heirs to Heaven.

God bless

 

[tqualey]

Hi, (name removed by moderator),

Thanks!

I was half expecting a shot of vodka as far as being part of the liquid ingredients … but, maybe that is one of those variations…

God bless

 

[rein_me_in_Lord]

Leslie Polley wrote:

“But as I said to them…the Word of God does not relate to the 'Blood or desire” ones in the Bible, so they mean nothing to me either…take a chill pill"

Leslie, where are the Bible verses to back up Sola Scriptura? (Or, in other words, the Bible alone.)

 

[Leslie_Polley]

That is your “simple” explanation???

Sorry, Leslie, the ARK saved the 8 FROM the water… The water saved no one!!! It KILLED everyone and would have killed the eight WITHOUT the ark.

The flood floated the ark. Ridiculous!!!

You are not seeing what Peter is talking about because you have already made up your mind what the Bible means, thus, when the Bible clearly contradicts your theology, you must twist the meaning…

It is crystal clear that in the literal sense, the water did not save ANYONE in the flood. What fool would make such an observation - that the water saved anyone??? That the water floating the boat saved anyone! Come on!!!

Clearly, Peter does not have the literal sense in mind.

I think you need to read the Scriptures here more carefully. Peter says the water flood is a FIGURE of baptism…

*Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, **eight souls were saved by water. *** **The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us **(not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 1 Peter 3:20-21

It is obvious that Peter is making a comparison here, that water ALSO saves us in baptism.

Again, ALSO. NOTE THE WORD. ALSO. The flood (water) and baptism (water)… Peter is taking an analogy of the flood and using the term ALSO. Isn’t it clear that he is talking about water baptism here - but ALSO noting its spiritual component (note the parenthesis - not putting away filth of the flesh). The water ITSELF is not salvific, it is the Spirit invisibly working during the ritual that saves, which changes our conscience to a good one, gives us new life, being born from above.

I cannot fathom how anyone can deny that this passage does NOT refer to water baptism, if one carefully reads the words Peter chose here…

Regards

you know to tell the truth I have NO idea what you are talking about or how the ark has anything to do with babtism…Sorry…you lost me

 

[Leslie_Polley]

Leslie Polley wrote:

“But as I said to them…the Word of God does not relate to the 'Blood or desire” ones in the Bible, so they mean nothing to me either…take a chill pill"

Leslie, where are the Bible verses to back up Sola Scriptura? (Or, in other words, the Bible alone.)

None of these 'threads are in order so if you cannot read things from the beginning its easy to get lost. I would think that there would be a better wasy to line these up, but that is not my concern. I was not quoting the Bible, I was quoting the catichezm which has nothing to do with the Word of God. I have been told that I have not been properly Catechizmed so I thought I would quote one that I remembered. Sorry I will not use it again.

 

[tqualey]

Ooooooooooooooooo… this was priceless:thumbsup:

Thanks for posting.

God bless
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[PRmerger]

I was not quoting the Bible, I was quoting the catichezm which has nothing to do with the Word of God.

I think you have not read the Catechism lately, Leslie. Practically every single sentence is from Scripture.

Just like your statement that there is no Scripture in the Mass. Almost every single utterance made by the priest or by the faithful is from Scripture.

To all who are interested, here’s a great website that details every single verse of Scripture in the Mass.

Example:

Eucharistic Prayers

Priest: Lift up your hearts.
People: We lift them up to the Lord.** (Lam 3:41)**
Priest: Let us give thanks to the Lord Our God. (Col 3:17)
People: It is right to give him thanks and praise. ** (Col 1:3)**

Preface Acclamation

All: Holy, holy, holy Lord, God of power and might, heaven and earth are full of your glory. (Is 6:3) Hosanna in the highest. Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest. (Mark 11:9-10)

Eucharistic prayer

[There are four of these, based on ancient prayers of the Church. Eucharistic Prayer Two follows as an example:]

Priest: Lord, you are holy indeed, the fountain of all holiness. (2 Macc. 14:36) Let your spirit come upon these gifts (water and wine) to make them holy, so that they may become the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ. Before he was given up to death, (Phil 2:8) a death he freely accepted, (John 10:17-18) he took bread and gave you thanks. He broke the bread, gave it to his disciples, and said: Take this all of you, and eat it: this is my body which will be given up for you. When supper was ended, he took the cup. Again he gave thanks and praise, gave the cup to his disciples, and said: Take this, all of you, and drink from it: this is the cup of my blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant. It will be shed for you and for all so that sins may be forgiven. Do this is memory of me. (Mark 14:22-25) Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.

All: Dying you destroyed our death, rising you restored our life, Lord Jesus, come in glory. (Heb 2:14-15)

Priest: In memory of his death and resurrection, we offer you, Father, this life-giving bread, this saving cup. (John 6:51) We thank you for counting us worthy to stand in your presence and serve you. May all of us who share in the body and blood of Christ be brought together in unity by the Holy Spirit. (1 Cor.10:17) Lord, remember your Church throughout the world; make us grow in love together with our Pope and our bishop, and all the clergy. Remember our brothers and sisters who have gone to their rest in the hope of rising again: bring them and all the departed into the light of your presence. (2 Macc 12:45-46) Have mercy on us all; make us worthy to share eternal life with Mary, the virgin Mother of God, with the apostles and with all the saints who have done your will throughout the ages. May we praise you in union with them, and give you glory though your Son, Jesus Christ. (2 Thes 1:4-5) Through him, with him, in him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and honor is yours, almighty Father, for ever and ever.

 

[PRmerger]

And here’s an example of text from the CCC which is falling all over itself with Scripture references:

Abraham - “father of all who believe”

145 The Letter to the Hebrews, in its great eulogy of the faith of Israel’s ancestors, lays special emphasis on Abraham’s faith: "By faith, Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place which he was to receive as an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was to go."4 By faith, he lived as a stranger and pilgrim in the promised land.5 By faith, Sarah was given to conceive the son of the promise. And by faith Abraham offered his only son in sacrifice.6

146 Abraham thus fulfills the definition of faith in Hebrews 11:1: “Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen”:7 "Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."8 Because he was “strong in his faith”, Abraham became the “father of all who believe”.(Rom 4:11,18; 4:20; cf. Gen 15:5.
)

147 The Old Testament is rich in witnesses to this faith. The Letter to the Hebrews proclaims its eulogy of the exemplary faith of the ancestors who “received divine approval”.(Heb 11:2, 39.)Yet “God had foreseen something better for us”: the grace of believing in his Son Jesus, “the pioneer and perfecter of our faith”.(Heb 11:40; 12:2.)

Mary - “Blessed is she who believed”

148 The Virgin Mary most perfectly embodies the obedience of faith. By faith Mary welcomes the tidings and promise brought by the angel Gabriel, believing that “with God nothing will be impossible” and so giving her assent: “Behold I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be [done] to me according to your word.”(Lk 1:37-38; cf. Gen 18:14.
) Elizabeth greeted her: “Blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfillment of what was spoken to her from the Lord.”(Lk 1:45.)It is for this faith that all generations have called Mary blessed.(Lk 1:48.)

149 Throughout her life and until her last ordeal (Lk 2:35.)when Jesus her son died on the cross, Mary’s faith never wavered. She never ceased to believe in the fulfillment of God’s word. And so the Church venerates in Mary the purest realization of faith.

 

[inkaneer]

Circumscision was done 8 days after the baby boy was born…Baptism was not…Christ was taken to the temple and circumscised, beauce that was the law…but was not baptised untill John the babtised, baptised Him. One was the old law and one was choice…thats what Paul was talking about.

The early church likened baptism to circmcision and thus infants were baptized into the church The only controvers that arose was whether baptism should be done on the eighth day as was circumcision of could it be done before. I refer you to Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage, who in 253 AD rebuked a man named Fidus. Fidus had argued that baptism should not be done before the eighth day, Cyril rebuked him with:

“As to what pertains to the case of infants: You [Fidus] said that they ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after their birth, that the old law of circumcision must be taken into consideration, and that you did not think that one should be baptized and sanctified within the eighth day after his birth. In our council it seemed to us far otherwise. No one agreed to the course which you thought should be taken. Rather, we all judge that the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born” (Letters 64:2 [A.D. 253]).

“If, in the case of the worst sinners and those who formerly sinned much against God, when afterwards they believe, the remission of their sins is granted and no one is held back from baptism and grace, how much more, then, should an infant not be held back, who, having but recently been born, has done no sin, except that, born of the flesh according to Adam, he has contracted the contagion of that old death from his first being born. For this very reason does he [an infant] approach more easily to receive the remission of sins: because the sins forgiven him are not his own but those of another” (ibid., 64:5).

Now you show me one person in the early church who denied infant baptism.

 

[Leslie_Polley]

That is your “simple” explanation???

Sorry, Leslie, the ARK saved the 8 FROM the water… The water saved no one!!! It KILLED everyone and would have killed the eight WITHOUT the ark.

1. your right…the ark saved 8 people from the water…Of course the water saved no one…it was sent to distroy…Gatcha…Noah and his family were saved because he obeyed God and built the ark…This is kind of fundamental isn’t it.

The flood floated the ark. Ridiculous!!!

1. Oh all that water refered to as the FLOOD did not float the ark ? ? ? ? shrug

You are not seeing what Peter is talking about because you have already made up your mind what the Bible means, thus, when the Bible clearly contradicts your theology, you must twist the meaning…

1. What meaning did I twist…? ? ? ? ?

It is crystal clear that in the literal sense, the water did not save ANYONE in the flood. What fool would make such an observation - that the water saved anyone??? That the water floating the boat saved anyone! Come on!!!

1. Now Now you will get a repremand for calling me a fool…Bad You…and yes the water saved there physical bodies or they would have drowned.

Clearly, Peter does not have the literal sense in mind.

I think you need to read the Scriptures here more carefully. Peter says the water flood is a FIGURE of baptism…

1. OK

*Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, **eight souls were saved by water. *** **The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us **(not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 1 Peter 3:20-21

1.  No 8  people were saved because they listened to God and built the ark.  I understand what you are saying with this scriptue... The like figure of baptism in water also saves us.  How does it save us?  Is it the water that saves or the thing that it is a figure of?  It was not the water that saved the 8 people of verse 20, It was the ark that saved them from drowning in the flood. So baptism in water does not save the vout, but faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ that which baptism is a figure of,does save the soul  Rom. 6:3-5, 1Cor. 15:1-4, Eph. 1:14, Col. 1:20-22.  A merefigure can have no power to save, but the realityof the figure can.  Peter, lest some should trust in water baptism to save the soul, makes it very clear that baptism soed not save one from the filth or moral depravity of the flesh.  He shows it to ve only the answer of a good conscience toward God, one that has been made clean by faith in the resurrectio of Jesus Christ  Verse21. It is clear here that at baptism the donscience is already supposed to be good and clean and baptism merely answers to it.  As the water of the flood could not have saved thee 8 persons, had they not made use of the ark, so the water of the baptism does not save the sould of anyone, but testifies figuratively to the salvation that comes by faith.... Rom  1:16,  3:24-25,  10:9-10

It is obvious that Peter is making a comparison here, that water ALSO saves us in baptism.

Again, ALSO. NOTE THE WORD. ALSO. The flood (water) and baptism (water)… Peter is taking an analogy of the flood and using the term ALSO. Isn’t it clear that he is talking about water baptism here - but ALSO noting its spiritual component (note the parenthesis - not putting away filth of the flesh). The water ITSELF is not salvific, it is the Spirit invisibly working during the ritual that saves, which changes our conscience to a good one, gives us new life, being born from above.

I cannot fathom how anyone can deny that this passage does NOT refer to water baptism, if one carefully reads the words Peter chose here…

Regards

1. I hope my answer to your questionis sufficent and helps you. Be sure and read all of those scriptures…I was told I was bad for using caps, because it made me seem angry…are you angry

 

[Leslie_Polley]

The early church likened baptism to circmcision and thus infants were baptized into the church The only controvers that arose was whether baptism should be done on the eighth day as was circumcision of could it be done before. I refer you to Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage, who in 253 AD rebuked a man named Fidus. Fidus had argued that baptism should not be done before the eighth day, Cyril rebuked him with:

“As to what pertains to the case of infants: You [Fidus] said that they ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after their birth, that the old law of circumcision must be taken into consideration, and that you did not think that one should be baptized and sanctified within the eighth day after his birth. In our council it seemed to us far otherwise. No one agreed to the course which you thought should be taken. Rather, we all judge that the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born” (Letters 64:2 [A.D. 253]).

“If, in the case of the worst sinners and those who formerly sinned much against God, when afterwards they believe, the remission of their sins is granted and no one is held back from baptism and grace, how much more, then, should an infant not be held back, who, having but recently been born, has done no sin, except that, born of the flesh according to Adam, he has contracted the contagion of that old death from his first being born. For this very reason does he [an infant] approach more easily to receive the remission of sins: because the sins forgiven him are not his own but those of another” (ibid., 64:5).

Now you show me one person in the early church who denied infant baptism.

1. No, your wrong

 

[Leslie_Polley]

The early church likened baptism to circmcision and thus infants were baptized into the church The only controvers that arose was whether baptism should be done on the eighth day as was circumcision of could it be done before. I refer you to Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage, who in 253 AD rebuked a man named Fidus. Fidus had argued that baptism should not be done before the eighth day, Cyril rebuked him with:

“As to what pertains to the case of infants: You [Fidus] said that they ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after their birth, that the old law of circumcision must be taken into consideration, and that you did not think that one should be baptized and sanctified within the eighth day after his birth. In our council it seemed to us far otherwise. No one agreed to the course which you thought should be taken. Rather, we all judge that the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born” (Letters 64:2 [A.D. 253]).

“If, in the case of the worst sinners and those who formerly sinned much against God, when afterwards they believe, the remission of their sins is granted and no one is held back from baptism and grace, how much more, then, should an infant not be held back, who, having but recently been born, has done no sin, except that, born of the flesh according to Adam, he has contracted the contagion of that old death from his first being born. For this very reason does he [an infant] approach more easily to receive the remission of sins: because the sins forgiven him are not his own but those of another” (ibid., 64:5).

Now you show me one person in the early church who denied infant baptism.

No your wrong

 

[Leslie_Polley]

The early church likened baptism to circmcision and thus infants were baptized into the church The only controvers that arose was whether baptism should be done on the eighth day as was circumcision of could it be done before. I refer you to Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage, who in 253 AD rebuked a man named Fidus. Fidus had argued that baptism should not be done before the eighth day, Cyril rebuked him with:

“As to what pertains to the case of infants: You [Fidus] said that they ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after their birth, that the old law of circumcision must be taken into consideration, and that you did not think that one should be baptized and sanctified within the eighth day after his birth. In our council it seemed to us far otherwise. No one agreed to the course which you thought should be taken. Rather, we all judge that the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born” (Letters 64:2 [A.D. 253]).

“If, in the case of the worst sinners and those who formerly sinned much against God, when afterwards they believe, the remission of their sins is granted and no one is held back from baptism and grace, how much more, then, should an infant not be held back, who, having but recently been born, has done no sin, except that, born of the flesh according to Adam, he has contracted the contagion of that old death from his first being born. For this very reason does he [an infant] approach more easily to receive the remission of sins: because the sins forgiven him are not his own but those of another” (ibid., 64:5).

Now you show me one person in the early church who denied infant baptism.

Never met one, but according to what Jesus did…He was and adult, I have always understood that we are to follow His example…show me where I am wrong. Thank you

 

[Leslie_Polley]

The early church likened baptism to circmcision and thus infants were baptized into the church The only controvers that arose was whether baptism should be done on the eighth day as was circumcision of could it be done before. I refer you to Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage, who in 253 AD rebuked a man named Fidus. Fidus had argued that baptism should not be done before the eighth day, Cyril rebuked him with:

“As to what pertains to the case of infants: You [Fidus] said that they ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after their birth, that the old law of circumcision must be taken into consideration, and that you did not think that one should be baptized and sanctified within the eighth day after his birth. In our council it seemed to us far otherwise. No one agreed to the course which you thought should be taken. Rather, we all judge that the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born” (Letters 64:2 [A.D. 253]).

“If, in the case of the worst sinners and those who formerly sinned much against God, when afterwards they believe, the remission of their sins is granted and no one is held back from baptism and grace, how much more, then, should an infant not be held back, who, having but recently been born, has done no sin, except that, born of the flesh according to Adam, he has contracted the contagion of that old death from his first being born. For this very reason does he [an infant] approach more easily to receive the remission of sins: because the sins forgiven him are not his own but those of another” (ibid., 64:5).

Now you show me one person in the early church who denied infant baptism.

As I answered on another one of these. I never met anyone from the early church and I bet you never did either. I was taught to follow Jesus Christs example and He was about 30 when He was baptised, and I would say that is not an infant but an adult…now I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure He was an adult.

 

[Leslie_Polley]

The early church likened baptism to circmcision and thus infants were baptized into the church The only controvers that arose was whether baptism should be done on the eighth day as was circumcision of could it be done before. I refer you to Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage, who in 253 AD rebuked a man named Fidus. Fidus had argued that baptism should not be done before the eighth day, Cyril rebuked him with:

“As to what pertains to the case of infants: You [Fidus] said that they ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after their birth, that the old law of circumcision must be taken into consideration, and that you did not think that one should be baptized and sanctified within the eighth day after his birth. In our council it seemed to us far otherwise. No one agreed to the course which you thought should be taken. Rather, we all judge that the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born” (Letters 64:2 [A.D. 253]).

“If, in the case of the worst sinners and those who formerly sinned much against God, when afterwards they believe, the remission of their sins is granted and no one is held back from baptism and grace, how much more, then, should an infant not be held back, who, having but recently been born, has done no sin, except that, born of the flesh according to Adam, he has contracted the contagion of that old death from his first being born. For this very reason does he [an infant] approach more easily to receive the remission of sins: because the sins forgiven him are not his own but those of another” (ibid., 64:5).

Now you show me one person in the early church who denied infant baptism.

your wrong

 

[Leslie_Polley]

I do not have to convince you of anything…Its all in the Bible, dig it out the way I do

 

[panevino]

As I answered on another one of these. I never met anyone from the early church and I bet you never did either. I was taught to follow Jesus Christs example and He was about 30 when He was baptised, and I would say that is not an infant but an adult…now I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure He was an adult.

luke18: 15 (KJV) And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when [his] disciples saw [it], they rebuked them.
16 But Jesus called them [unto him], and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

 

[tqualey]

Actually, Leslie, you are the one who is wrong.

No your wrong

And, you are wrong for several reasons:

1- you have received excellent references that refute your claim - and you ignore them.

2- you make blanket statements that are categorically disproven - and you ignore these, too.

3- you then insult the poster with an obvious flippant remark that is in error (the word is you’re not ‘’‘your’ (sic) wrong."

Goodness, Leslie, I really do expect better from you then just whining. Address the issue as an adult.

God bless

 

[tqualey]

Leslie,

As I see it, you have seriously mishandle the material you have, “…dug out…” of the Bible. You have also made a public display of your misadventures with Scripture. This is really not a good endorsement for following your example.

I do not have to convince you of anything…Its all in the Bible, dig it out the way I do

I am finding your responses to be more and more brusk. Participation on this list is voluntary. If you continue as you are doing, I won’t be respondng to you any longer. Maybe you would like to “dig out” a verse or two to help you calm down.

God bless

 

[tqualey]

Hi, PRmerger,

These were two excellent posts

Keep up the good work!

And here’s an example of text from the CCC which is falling all over itself with Scripture references:

Abraham - “father of all who believe”

145 The Letter to the Hebrews, in its great eulogy of the faith of Israel’s ancestors, lays special emphasis on Abraham’s faith: "By faith, Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place which he was to receive as an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was to go."4 By faith, he lived as a stranger and pilgrim in the promised land.5 By faith, Sarah was given to conceive the son of the promise. And by faith Abraham offered his only son in sacrifice.6

146 Abraham thus fulfills the definition of faith in Hebrews 11:1: “Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen”:7 "Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."8 Because he was “strong in his faith”, Abraham became the “father of all who believe”.(Rom 4:11,18; 4:20; cf. Gen 15:5.
)

147 The Old Testament is rich in witnesses to this faith. The Letter to the Hebrews proclaims its eulogy of the exemplary faith of the ancestors who “received divine approval”.(Heb 11:2, 39.)Yet “God had foreseen something better for us”: the grace of believing in his Son Jesus, “the pioneer and perfecter of our faith”.(Heb 11:40; 12:2.)

Mary - “Blessed is she who believed”

148 The Virgin Mary most perfectly embodies the obedience of faith. By faith Mary welcomes the tidings and promise brought by the angel Gabriel, believing that “with God nothing will be impossible” and so giving her assent: “Behold I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be [done] to me according to your word.”(Lk 1:37-38; cf. Gen 18:14.
) Elizabeth greeted her: “Blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfillment of what was spoken to her from the Lord.”(Lk 1:45.)It is for this faith that all generations have called Mary blessed.(Lk 1:48.)

149 Throughout her life and until her last ordeal (Lk 2:35.)when Jesus her son died on the cross, Mary’s faith never wavered. She never ceased to believe in the fulfillment of God’s word. And so the Church venerates in Mary the purest realization of faith.

God bless