Where does God live?

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I hear this a lot. But I don’t take it for granted that this is the case. To say that it is the absence of good is to say evil only requires inaction. This may be true of many evil acts, but certainly not all. It would make as much sense, logically, to say good is the absence of evil. Or at a minimum, if one is going to differentiate between the act and the actor, by saying God created the actor but is not in the evil act, then I think we have to say that He is also absent from the good act, even though we can agree he created the actor.
First and foremeost, evil is the absence of good, not good is the absence of evil for good existed before evil and thus evil must be defined by good rather than good defined by evil. Before there was evil there was only good and good alone. Evil is the absence of good or evil is the absence of God because of tolerance not inaction.

There is a difference here and it is between inaction, tolerance, absence and allowing. (a little leadway on the definitions if I may have it) Inaction is doing nothing one way or the other. Tolerance is knowing that there is evil but realizing that it must be tolerated to a certain extent beacuse trying to confront and destroy it would cause more evil. Absence is not being involved in the action at all. Allowing is giving ones permission to do something or even offering help in an act. Allowing something to occur is being present in that action regardless of the culpability.

God is not a being of inaction or allwoance when it comes to evil but instead is one of tolerance. He is absent in His presence of an evil action because of tolerating the decision we have made using our own freedom of choice rather than Him allowing such actions or simple inaction on His part. God may observe all actions, even evil ones, but that does not mean mean He allows evil actions to happen nor does it mean He is present in those actions. God tolerates evil actions and allows for us to reject His presence in that action we know as sin. Again this does not mean that He allows evil to happen or even that He is present in that evil action but that He merely tolerates evil as the result of freedom of choice that He himself gave us. Evil is a creation that results when we succumb to temptation and choose to reject the presence of God in our actions.

This is a different understanding than how humans would judge the allowance, inaction or tolerance of the actions of other humans. We did not give humanity this freedom to choose and we are not all powerful and all knowing so it becomes a bit difficult in certain regards for comparrison. Since God Himself gave us freedom of choice, we have the freedom to accept or reject His presence in our actions. God’s action was to give us the freedom of choice, but we are allowed to choose if we want His presence or if we do not want His presence (sin) in our actions. God gave us the freedom to choose. Our choices can lead us to reject His presence, which in turn leads to His absence from our actions as a result of His tolerance for our God given right to choose, not His allowance of evil or any inaction on His part.

For humanity the choices are different. We can allow and choose evil like Hitler did the holocaust. We can tolerate evil like the Church did slavery The Church tolerated slavery for generations yet they had no presence in that action. We can choose inaction like Switzerland. Since we humans, or at least most of us;) , are not superman or divine in someway, we are not judged by the same criteria as God or the actions of God.

Well the key difference here is that although God created both those who cause good and evil only one action can be said to be a reflection of His nature. All men seek the good. A christian seeks to help others, a chef seeks his own restaurant etc. etc…you get the point. Now some seek the false good; money, sex, power the list becomes obvious, but the question is “why”. People seek wealth because they see it as a false good and perhaps a satiation of their desired happiness. People seek sex because it is pleasureable and offers them an escape. People seek power because they want control etc. etc. Murderers even seek the good when they murder. This is a false good but none the less they seek the good but are uable to distinguish between what is a false good and what is an actual good.
 
Now all humans seek the good and the ultimate satiation of the good is God (see beatific vision) and since all humanity is created in God’s image then God must seek the good as well since God is perfect and the source of ultimate truth, and thus He seeks the good perfectly. If evil or evil actions are not found in seeking the true good and God ultimately is the source of all truth, He himself must be the good and can not be a source of or even be present in the action of seeking a false good (in reality an evil) because evil is a creation of humans succumbing to temptation with God tolerating their freedom to choose and to reject His presence in their actions rather than evil being allowed by God.
 
Perhaps he lives in another dimension. Not somewhere where there is an absence of height, depth, width and time. But in a state of existence that is all this and more. Going from this existence to existence in his presence might be like going from be a two-dimensional cartoon character to a three-dimensional living being.

“One day you will read in the newspapers that Mr. Moody is dead. Don’t you believe it. At that moment I will be more alive than I had ever been.”

– D.L. Moody
 
I would disagree. Since God is One and there is nothing that exists outside of God, then God is in every action (and every action is in God). I just think it is easier to see God in what we define as good acts.
So, Hitler was doing God’s will?
 
Why not? Aren’t you limiting God’s ability by this supposition?

Didn’t God create the murderer, as well as the victim? Isn’t he present in both individuals? Wasn’t God present in Esau? Did He not harden Pharoah’s heart? Does Isaiah not say that God is the creator of light and darkness, of good and evil?

Can there really be any componenet of existance/reality that can exist outside of God?
the word for “evil” in the hebew means diaster, not disobeying God’s own will, Laws.
 
Does God live on the moon? on a planet? in a star system? exactly where is his throne?

What do LDS think? Muslims? Jehovah’s Witnesses? Protestants? Catholics?

I think to apply the categories “where” & “when” to God, is to get things inside-out 🙂 - God is their Place​

ISTM that when St. Paul speaks of Christians as “in Christ”, and as being “seated in the heavenlies in Christ”, he is answering the question 😃

And elsewhere:
  • Christ is in His disciples
  • They are in Him
  • His Spirit is His disciples
  • They are in the Spirit
  • Christ is in the Father
  • The Father is in the Son
    God is not related to space & time - it is related to God. The relation is not symmetrical - God is not within the order of created beings; there is no term of comparison common to them. For God to be in a definite location, is to imply that the location is greater than God: because it is thereby prior to God. This is the same problem as crops up with the notion that God the Father is “an exalted man” - he who becomes a god, is less than the exaltation by which he becomes a god.
Process theology, Mormon or otherwise, makes the Eternal God a mere god - something differing from man not by being infinite in excellence, but merely by chronological priority. Such a God cannot be be the gracious God of the Bible, because grace implies infinite freedom, total lack of external constraint. To make God material, located, changeable & finite ruins the entire Christian faith. 😦 :eek: This God is not “separate from” creatures; such a God, or rather god, is not the “Holy, Holy, Holy” God of Isaiah & St. John.
 
Typo: “…there is no term of comparison common to them.”

Correction: " …there is no term of comparison common to Him & them."
 
There is NOTHING outside of God’s presence, per se. He is even ‘present’ in Hell. I think we should be careful in suggesting that there can be things that because they are evil, they are AWAY from God. Or the suggestion that if He is ‘present in something evil’ then He could be responsible in some way FOR that evil.
Am sorry but i can’t accept that God is ‘present’ in Hell. Because we know that Hell is an “eternal separation” from God. Being separated means, without His Love or presence at all.
 
Why not? Aren’t you limiting God’s ability by this supposition?

Didn’t God create the murderer, as well as the victim? Isn’t he present in both individuals? Wasn’t God present in Esau? Did He not harden Pharoah’s heart? Does Isaiah not say that God is the creator of light and darkness, of good and evil?

Can there really be any componenet of existance/reality that can exist outside of God?
I have often wondered about the situations.
When God created Satan he was a good angel but choice made him choose wrong.

He presented to Pharoah choices of forgiveness and I think Pharoahs heart was hardened by his constant no.
But that didn’t stop God from putting the question in front of him.

God created the tree of choice, to achieve the knowledge of good and evil, he created all things, and many can be used for evil, take for instance the ability to drive a car can be used for good and evil.

Here is a story about a priest in Iraq
With God in Iraq
A day in the Life of a Military chaplin by Father John j. Gayton
in Dec issue of Word Among Us
www.partnersinevangelism.org
“I see God gazing back at me with love.”
Just in case it doesn’t work
*Father John J. Gayton, from the Diocese of Wilmington, Deleware, is one of only five Catholic priests serving US troops in Al Anbr Province. For a fuller version of this story, log onto…
…*just what I listed above.

Barb

I think you will have to wait till after the first to log on, sorry
 
Am sorry but i can’t accept that God is ‘present’ in Hell. Because we know that Hell is an “eternal separation” from God. Being separated means, without His Love or presence at all.
Hmm. Consider, geekborj, does this mean that God does not know the ‘demons’ in Hell, the same way He knows us?

How can that be? He knows everything; seen and unseen. That is not limited to the physical world.

There are people on earth who are ‘seperated’ from God. Who have heard of Him but chose not to ‘know’ Him nor any relationship with Him. They are ‘seperated’ from God.

That is not the same thing as Hell, of course, but I can imgaine from that, what “eternal separation” may be. Judgement Day will include those demons, and beyond that day, may be the eternal separation that is to come.

Present may not be the correct word, but language is limited. Even so, God ‘knows’ every demon in Hell the same way He knows us; their thoughts, what they get up to, etc etc…because they will be judged as we will be judged!

:cool:
 
A Desert Father said “Seek God, and not where God lives.”
 
**When Jesus said that He went to prepare a place for us, and that there are “many rooms” in His Father’s House, obviously He is talking about some type of ‘place’ or abode in His creation. Where did He go when He ascended? He went ‘up’ and disappeared…not that He went so high up in the sky as to be lost to one’s sight and disappear in the clouds, but that He was ‘assumed’ within the spiritual reality that He Himself inhabits.

And although John calls Him the ‘Word’, and that the ‘Word’ was with God, and that the ‘Word’ IS God, Who existed from all eternity, Christ now has set aside a special spiritual existence for us out of the entire Cosmos to be with Him. And THAT is where God ‘lives’.

The special gift He gave us, His Church, is Himself in the Eucharist. How this is accomplished is a mystery that we will never fully comprehend. So, when we receive Him in the Eucharist, one could say that He is, in a very real way, as God, setting up ‘house’ within our very souls. And THAT is where God ‘lives’.**
 
God, like the proverbial 800-pound gorilla, lives anywhere He pleases. 🙂

God bless us all,
Paul
 
I would disagree. Since God is One and there is nothing that exists outside of God, then God is in every action (and every action is in God). I just think it is easier to see God in what we define as good acts.
I think we run into paradoxes(which is fine by me since I am a Syrian Christian) when we start to think about Gods attributes or actions or where He is. God is everywhere but at the same time God is not involved in evil. At one time God exists in all places but at the same time He lives in none of them. This simply shows us that God is utterly beyond our comprehension. We should simply look to God with awe and thanksgiving as we Syrian Christians like to say. Simply realize that God is near. Pope Benedict in one of his books does a short little explanation of Exodus4 at the burning bush where God says “I am who am”. The pope says that this name essentially means I am near. I am the one God who is near to all. I am the God of all.
 
God lives just across from the White House in Washington, DC. Do you want a specific address? No, jk.😃

The Divine is everywhere. In nature, in animals, in planets, in people. A part of the Divine is in all of us. Learn to appreciate the simple things in your life and you have truly found the house of God.😉
 
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