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Mannyfit75
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The original rosary was actually 151 Psalms not the Hail Mary.
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Nicene
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Who said Mark, Luke, John, and Matthew wrote the gospels?
None of the ancient manuscripts had names on them. The catholic church tradition, that you obviously accept, says they were written by those authors.
We didn’t just translate the bible, we wrote them. The catholic church is the church Jesus founded:
Acts 9:31 ai men oun ekklêsiai kath olês tês ioudaias kai galilaias kai samareias eichon eirênên oikodomoumenai kai poreuomenai tô phobô tou kuriou kai tê paraklêsei tou agiou pneumatos eplêthunonto
ekklesia = church
kath olês = throughout all - catholic/universal
Do you trust Luke when he wrote Katholes?
Peace and God Bless
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Mannyfit75
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I also might add that there are some Biblical Scholars today who doubt the authorship of the Gospels as being the Apostles or their companion.
The Catholic Church is the only one who says that the four Gospels were written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, despite what everyone says.
The Catholic Church is the only one who says that the four Gospels were written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, despite what everyone says.
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Nicene
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28 And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
42 And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
Pretty sure we are the only ones who have throughout the ages adhered to:
48 Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
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Nicene
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Just thought I would mention Marys song is called the Magnificat:
Lk 1:46: And Mary said, “My soul magnifies the Lord,
47: and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
48: for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden. For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed;
49: for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name.
50: And his mercy is on those who fear him from generation to generation.
51: He has shown strength with his arm, he has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts,
52: he has put down the mighty from their thrones, and exalted those of low degree;
53: he has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent empty away.
54: He has helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy,
55: as he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his posterity for ever.”
You’ll find it’s typology here:
1 Sam 2:1: Hannah also prayed and said, "My heart exults in the LORD; my strength is exalted in the LORD. My mouth derides my enemies, because I rejoice in thy salvation.
2: "There is none holy like the LORD, there is none besides thee; there is no rock like our God.
3: Talk no more so very proudly, let not arrogance come from your mouth; for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.
4: The bows of the mighty are broken, but the feeble gird on strength.
5: Those who were full have hired themselves out for bread, but those who were hungry have ceased to hunger. The barren has borne seven, but she who has many children is forlorn.
6: The LORD kills and brings to life; he brings down to Sheol and raises up.
7: The LORD makes poor and makes rich; he brings low, he also exalts.
8: He raises up the poor from the dust; he lifts the needy from the ash heap, to make them sit with princes and inherit a seat of honor. For the pillars of the earth are the LORD’S, and on them he has set the world.
Notice anything?
Peace and God Bless
Nicene
Lk 1:46: And Mary said, “My soul magnifies the Lord,
47: and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
48: for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden. For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed;
49: for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name.
50: And his mercy is on those who fear him from generation to generation.
51: He has shown strength with his arm, he has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts,
52: he has put down the mighty from their thrones, and exalted those of low degree;
53: he has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent empty away.
54: He has helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy,
55: as he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his posterity for ever.”
You’ll find it’s typology here:
1 Sam 2:1: Hannah also prayed and said, "My heart exults in the LORD; my strength is exalted in the LORD. My mouth derides my enemies, because I rejoice in thy salvation.
2: "There is none holy like the LORD, there is none besides thee; there is no rock like our God.
3: Talk no more so very proudly, let not arrogance come from your mouth; for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.
4: The bows of the mighty are broken, but the feeble gird on strength.
5: Those who were full have hired themselves out for bread, but those who were hungry have ceased to hunger. The barren has borne seven, but she who has many children is forlorn.
6: The LORD kills and brings to life; he brings down to Sheol and raises up.
7: The LORD makes poor and makes rich; he brings low, he also exalts.
8: He raises up the poor from the dust; he lifts the needy from the ash heap, to make them sit with princes and inherit a seat of honor. For the pillars of the earth are the LORD’S, and on them he has set the world.
Notice anything?
Peace and God Bless
Nicene
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liehwat
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Hello Allan,
How would you interpret the below scripture from Luke 1:L41 –
41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
What does Elisabeth meant by the word “Lord”?
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Mommyof02green
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First today there is such a thing as the “Novus Ordo Mass” in that Mass the language used is the native tongue of the people. Which means if you speak English you can go to a Mass in English, if you speak Spanish you then can go to a Mass in Spanish etc. Then we have the “Traditional” Mass, which is a Mass said in Latin.
Honestly, I go to a Novus Ordo Mass in English, however if I travel and go to places where English is the NOT the native language then I try to find a “Traditional” Mass. The Traditional Mass is said in Latin. This is because I know what is going to be said and what to say in response. The “only” Latin the avg. lay Catholic needed to know is the Latin phrases that are said during Mass. The teachers/parents would teach the kids. What to say and what it meant.
How do you know English? How do you know what this word means or that word means? How do you learn English? How do babies in France learn French? How do babies in Germany lean German? They were taught! The same is true with Latin. You may not know any now, but it can be taught and you can learn. I learned the stuff for the Mass at home, however I learned more Latin at my public high school then at home. I took Latin for my Language class.
The point of using Latin in the Mass was so that it would be universal no matter where the Catholic went. An American could go China and go to Mass and still know what was being said. A German could go to American and go to Mass and still know what was being said…. this was because the language used was the same as at home “Latin”.
Sadly, that is not really the case now, seeing everyone uses his or her own native tongue. However, sometimes one is lucky to find a “traditional Mass”.
That to me is one of the beauties of the Catholicism. I can go to Mass anywhere in the world and it will be the same as if I was home. (Although it’s getting harder and harder for that to be true today)
Now I want to point out some quotes from you that seem to a conflict. First you write:
Then you write:
The first statement is all you need is the Bible and nothing more then the Bible.
The Second statement is that you need the Bible, but you need more then just the Bible. You need the Bible and a “valid” interpretation.
So which is? Is it the Bible and the Bible only?
Of is it the Bible and a valid interpretation?
Whose interpretation? What makes an interpretation valid? What happens if person A said it means this and person B said it means this? Who is right? Is it person A? Is it person B? How do you know?
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mercygate
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So, what you’re saying is that your Holy Spirit can beat up our Holy Spirit?
That’s what it comes down to. You have said that you do not believe in the Trinity. So, as you say, you are not Protestant. Protestants believe in the Holy Trinity and that Mary is the Mother of God. In fact, belief in the Trinity is essential for claiming the name of Christian.
Please take a few days to re-think your understanding of the Holy Trinity (not that any of us can truly understand it!). A clearer understanding of this core doctrine will help you in your walk with Christ. For example, you rejected the Communion of Saints even though someone pointed it out in Revelation because you “don’t understand Revelation.” There is a rational disconnect in the idea that your personal acceptance of something makes it true or untrue, necessary or unnecessary.
You say that it is unimportant to reveal to us your denomination, and that being a Christian is “enough.” But as the prominent Evangelical, Hank Hanegraaf, contends: There are no lone ranger Christians. Being part of a congregation is essential to the Christian witness.
I hope you hang around here. And I hope we can craft our responses to your questions with clarity and charity so that we shed light and grace in the fellowship of our Lord, Jesus Christ.
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JoeyWarren
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You are so messed up (Edited by Moderator).
The Trinitarian belief is One God but Three Persons
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit
Even the most unlearned Protestant recognizes this fact and accepts it.
You really need to step back and take a look at this entire thread.
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Mommyof02green
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Allan-
I was re-read the thread. And this just came to me.
If you know what etc. means then you ALSO know some Latin!
etc is the abbreviation for “et cetera” which is Latin for “and the others”
Another example of Latin is the A.M. and P.M.
A.M. is the abbreviation for the Latin Phrase ante meridiem which means before midday
P.M is the abbreviation for the Latin Phrase post meridiem which means after midday.
It just came to me and I thought I would share. We use Latin everyday when talking and writing many people just don’t know it.
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Allan1972
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Show me proof that all of the other denominations deny they are the authors. Back up your statement.
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Allan1972
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Most people know that the word Trinity is not in the Bible. It does say this though:
Where is Mary in the Trinity?
Someone said that having a denomination is essential for christrians. God never said anything about denominations in his word. Denominations is man’s invention.
As far as interpretaion goes, the holy spirt gives me understanding, but many things are common sense, also depending how much of the Word you read. You have to read the entire thing to really understand it, not just what other people tell you. That is rthe eason I don’t belong to any denomination is because even in America, where there should be religous freedom, there are too many people trying to make me believe like them.
I never said I didn’t believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
Where is Mary in the Trinity?
Someone said that having a denomination is essential for christrians. God never said anything about denominations in his word. Denominations is man’s invention.
As far as interpretaion goes, the holy spirt gives me understanding, but many things are common sense, also depending how much of the Word you read. You have to read the entire thing to really understand it, not just what other people tell you. That is rthe eason I don’t belong to any denomination is because even in America, where there should be religous freedom, there are too many people trying to make me believe like them.
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Mommyof02green
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The Holy Spirit gave me the understanding from Scripture :bible1: that Mary is the Mother of God.
The Holy Spirit gave me the understanding from Scripture :bible1: that Mary is the Queen of Heaven
The Holy Spirit gave me the understanding from Scripture :bible1: that the Saints in Heaven can and do intercede for us.
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JoeyWarren
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If you don’t belong to a denomination, then I take it you don’t attend a Church? If you do what is it’s name. FYI, a non-denominational church is a denomination of one.
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JoeyWarren
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Somebody has told Allan1972 another falsehood about Catholic beliefs.
I am really growing tired of Allan. He refuses to address the questions asked of him…he just comes back with another false accusation.
I am really growing tired of Allan. He refuses to address the questions asked of him…he just comes back with another false accusation.
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Nicene
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He could be Islamic. He holds the same belief as them:Then you realize dont you that they are ALL ONE
who ever said she was???
Koran: The Dinner table
[5.116] And when Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! did you say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah he will say: Glory be to Thee, it did not befit me that I should say what I had no right to (say); if I had said it, Thou wouldst indeed have known it; Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I do not know what is in Thy mind, surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen things.
Isa is the Islamic name for Jesus, Marium is Mary.
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NotWorthy
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Latin is good because it is a dead language. The meanings of words don’t change as people change.
Look at the way words have changed in English. What is the meaning of “bad” compared to 30 years ago. This does NOT happen in Latin, which makes it a great way to preserve the teachings of the church.
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NotWorthy
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You are absolutely right. Denonimations are man’s inventions.
Christ built A CHURCH. Every denomination that broke off from that church, well… you do that math.
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MrS
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Great points… hope all will file them for future use.
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