Where is that in the Bible?

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This is a great time to quote the topic of another subject, “God wrote the Bible, not the Catholic church.”
 
Traveller1534 said:
Catholics would have you believe that salvation cannot be had without Mary in the picture which is a lie.
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The lie is what you state that Catholics believe. When a non- Catholic does this he/she loses all credibility and does nothing but embarrass themselves…
I became a better Catholic because of all the false accusations and ridiculous arguments made by protestants…🤷
 
teachccd said:
The lie is what you state that Catholics believe. When a non- Catholic does this he/she loses all credibility and does nothing but embarrass themselves…
I became a better Catholic because of all the false accusations and ridiculous arguments made by protestants…🤷
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This is a fact and it is stated in your Catechism so maybe you should learn some about your faith. It refers to Mary as co-redemtrix which translates to a redeemer of souls equal to that of Christ. I should know, it is what my priest stated to me when I was still Catholic and one of the very reasons I left the Catholic church.
 
Traveller1534 said:
They speak of Mary as the ark of the new covenant. Where do you get that from??
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The ark of the Old covenant carried the written Word of God and the ark of the New Covenant carried the living Word of God. Any arguments there?? My oh my…🤷
 
teachccd said:
The ark of the Old covenant carried the written Word of God and the ark of the New Covenant carried the living Word of God. Any arguments there?? My oh my…🤷
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How exactly does that equate to Mary and why are Catholics the only denomination that believes this?? I told a coworker of mine who is a Pentecostal minister this belief and he laughed.
 
Traveller1534 said:
This is a fact and it is stated in your Catechism so maybe you should learn some about your faith. It refers to Mary as co-redemtrix which translates to a redeemer of souls equal to that of Christ. I should know, it is what my priest stated to me when I was still Catholic and one of the very reasons I left the Catholic church.
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A co-pilot is not the pilot. She cooperated in our redemption by her following the will of God unlike Eve who did not. NO WHERE does the Catholic Church equate Mary with God. If it did I would also leave. In the “Gloria” recited at Mass we say referring to Christ, " For you alone are the Holy One, You alone are the Lord, You alone are the Most High, Jesus Christ." Seems that the word alone would not include our Blessed Mother as equal to Jesus. You misinterpret the Catechism to your disadvantage.

I am a certified Master Catechist and am still learning about my faith but I am far enough along to know that we do not teach what you assume. I will keep you in my prayers…
 
Traveller1534 said:
How exactly does that equate to Mary and why are Catholics the only denomination that believes this?? I told a coworker of mine who is a Pentecostal minister this belief and he laughed.
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Mary did not carry the living Word of God?? Yes or no will do…
 
Traveller1534 said:
How exactly does that equate to Mary and why are Catholics the only denomination that believes this?? I told a coworker of mine who is a Pentecostal minister this belief and he laughed.
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I’m sure that Jews and Muslims don’t agree with this either…😉 Many also laughed at Christ…
 
teachccd said:
A co-pilot is not the pilot. She cooperated in our redemption by her following the will of God unlike Eve who did not. NO WHERE does the Catholic Church equate Mary with God. If it did I would also leave. In the “Gloria” recited at Mass we say referring to Christ, " For you alone are the Holy One, You alone are the Lord, You alone are the Most High, Jesus Christ." Seems that the word alone would not include our Blessed Mother as equal to Jesus. You misinterpret the Catechism to your disadvantage.

I am a certified Master Catechist and am still learning about my faith but I am far enough along to know that we do not teach what you assume. I will keep you in my prayers…
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Well then maybe you should be educating my former priest who told me word for word that slavation is not possible without Mary and say whatever you will about what the Catechesim states, but co-redemptrix is not something that could be implied scripturally.
 
Some Catholics in the late twentieth century urged Pope John Paul II to infallibly declare Mary Co-Redemptrix, not meaning by this title that Mary herself redeems mankind, but that she cooperates with Jesus in His redemption of the world; as a co-pilot is not equal to the pilot of an airplane, so is the case with Jesus and His Mother as well as with any other Christian faithful who, by the Baptism, becomes member of the Mystical Body of Jesus and, as such, “co-redemptor”.
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Professor Mark Miravalle of the Franciscan University in Steubenville in the United States launched a petition to urge Pope John Paul to make such a move, by defining the teaching of the Church that Mary is Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix of All Graces, and Advocate for the People of God. More than six million signatures were gathered from 148 countries. Signatories included Mother Teresa of Calcutta, Cardinal John O’Connor of New York, 41 other cardinals and 550 bishops. However, such a proposal was also heavily criticized by many Catholics who suggested that only Jesus could be a Redeemer and that such an act would drive a wedge in relationships with other apostolic tradition Christian faiths, notably the Orthodox Church and Anglicanism, neither of whom would accept such a designation. Though both Pope Pius XI in 1935 and Pope John Paul II himself in 1985 did use the word co-redemptrix to refer to Mary, no formal infallible dogma supporting such a designation has been issued, notwithstanding the petition.
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Priest are not infallible. You have been taught wrong and you should go back to square one namely the Catechism.
 
Traveller, if you say something is in the Catechism, then please, as they say, ‘cite your references’ - sections, paragraph numbers, etc. Otherwise, how could you reasonably expect us to listen to your claims? We are already likely to be predisposed to disagree with you; if you can tell us where in the Catechism you have found a particular point of our faith, you will have a better chance of getting us to listen to you. 🙂
 
Traveller1534 said:
Well then maybe you should be educating my former priest who told me word for word that slavation is not possible without Mary and say whatever you will about what the Catechesim states, but co-redemptrix is not something that could be implied scripturally.
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The Jehovah’s Witnesses would say the same regarding the Trinity. But, like you, they claim sola scriptura…
 
Traveller1534 said:
sure she did and so do I every time I carry my New International Version of the Bible to study.
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A Bible is the living Word of God?? Then what is the written Word of God?? You are comparing yourself to Mary who risked her life, her future marriage and who gave her flesh and blood to our Lord?? Mary carried the second person of the Trinity incarnate in her womb. That’s slightly different than you carrying the message given by the Person that she bore.Jesus is the incarnate word of God. Scripture is not. If it were then answer me this. If Jesus was physically sitting in a chair in your room and a bible was on the desk next to the chair, which one would you go to?? And that’s not your NIV. It’s an incomplete version of the Catholic Church’s Scripture.
 
The reason why I put this thread is to show a point to Non-Catholics about you asking us Catholic, Where is that in the Bible concerning Catholic doctrine and faith?

We give you Our answers, we don’t expect you to believe it but UNDERSTAND our beliefs are not only based on Sacred Scripture, but Sacred Tradition and Magisterium of the Church.
 
sandusky said:
Actually, that’s not right; JWs are like RCs, and Mormons; they have an infallible teaching body,
and a supreme leader.
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Actually that’s not right either as the JW’s do not claim apostolic lineage as the Catholic Church does. They do claim sola scriptura. The Catholic Church does not. Ask them if you don’t believe me. Their Watchtower magazine is the organizations twisted interpretation of scripture but they still find full authority in scripture, distort it, and then issue it to the congregation. They cannot claim Apostolic lineage or they’d be Catholic.

And the Mormons claim a great apostasy therefore eliminating any thought of apostolic lineage. They also have three other “inspired books” that hold authority. Our authority is Jesus Christ and the Church He left behind, So back to the drawing board for you,
 
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teachccd:
Actually that’s not right either as the JW’s do not claim apostolic lineage as the Catholic Church does. They do claim sola scriptura. The Catholic Church does not. Ask them if you don’t believe me. Their Watchtower magazine is the organizations twisted interpretation of scripture but they still find full authority in scripture, distort it, and then issue it to the congregation. They cannot claim Apostolic lineage or they’d be Catholic.

And the Mormons claim a great apostasy therefore eliminating any thought of apostolic lineage. They also have three other “inspired books” that hold authority. Our authority is Jesus Christ and the Church He left behind, So back to the drawing board for you,
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You each have your “Salt Lake City;” you each claim infallible teaching authority; you each claim an infallible earthly leader. :tiphat:
 
sandusky said:
You each have your “Salt Lake City;” you each claim infallible teaching authority; you each claim an infallible earthly leader. :tiphat:
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Yet one denies the Trinitarian God, and the other defined the Trinity, canonized Scripture both OT and NT, defended the Divinity of Jesus from heresy of Arianism, and Nestorianism, Gnosticism, and history proves the Catholic Church to be the Historical Church of Christ.

Mormonism doesn’t. It’s book of Mormons is not supported by either historical record and so forth.

So I put more credit in the Catholic Church who gave us the Bible, gave us the Trinity, Gave us the Eucharist, give us the Gospel.

I tell you my friend, before the Bible was compelled, there was only the Catholic Church. The Church was called Catholic by St. Ignatius of Antioch in 107-110 AD…
 
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