Where is that in the Bible?

[teachccd]

Yet one denies the Trinitarian God, and the other defined the Trinity, canonized Scripture both OT and NT, defended the Divinity of Jesus from heresy of Arianism, and Nestorianism, Gnosticism, and history proves the Catholic Church to be the Historical Church of Christ.

Mormonism doesn’t. It’s book of Mormons is not supported by either historical record and so forth.

So I put more credit in the Catholic Church who gave us the Bible, gave us the Trinity, Gave us the Eucharist, give us the Gospel.

I tell you my friend, before the Bible was compelled, there was only the Catholic Church. The Church was called Catholic by St. Ignatius of Antioch in 107-110 AD…

 

[ASimpleSinner]

How exactly does that equate to Mary and why are Catholics the only denomination that believes this?? I told a coworker of mine who is a Pentecostal minister this belief and he laughed.

Ignorance abounds.

A muslim would have done the same thing. So too a Jehovah’s Witness or a Mormon. Are you in good company?

1.1B of us - you have to do better than asking for a plurality of consensus among the various and sundry splintered groups self-identifying as a denomination.

But I am glad that you and your pal had a good laugh on this one and curled your toes a bit at the idea of the Catholic Church being so wrong - the work day is long, and a good laugh - even for the wrong reasons - is sometimes needed.

 

[Mannyfit75]

How exactly does that equate to Mary and why are Catholics the only denomination that believes this?? I told a coworker of mine who is a Pentecostal minister this belief and he laughed.

Also Eastern Christians have this belief.

 

[rbarcia]

I tell you my friend, before the Bible was compelled, there was only the Catholic Church. The Church was called Catholic by St. Ignatius of Antioch in 107-110 AD…

So Ignatius’ quote was an official declaration of giving the church a title?

 

[Mannyfit75]

So Ignatius’ quote was an official declaration of giving the church a title?

St. Ignatius of Antioch wrote Epistle to the Smyrnaeans in 107 or 110 AD. In this writing, this was the first time the Christian Church was called Catholic to describe the universal belief of the Christian faith throughout the the Roman Word.

Some background on St. Ignatius of Antioch is the disciple of St. John the Apostle, and friend of St. Polycarp also a disciple of St. John.

The Church in Antioch is also the place where the believers in Jesus Christ were called Christians in the Books of Acts.

See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.

Since then the Church has also been called Catholic. It even mention in the Nicene Creed written in 325 A.D.

newadvent.org/fathers/0109.htm

 

[eliasaph99]

I know for me… It is not so much of ‘where in the bible is this word or that’ but more of where is the certain concept of something. I will be the first to admit that I do NOT know everything. But I really do believe that there have been some evil men who have claimed to be of God and so to trust that a mere human knows what they are talking about is sorta scary. But if you can show me in the Bible where something lies as a concept or a belief that it is easier to take. Because those teachings and writings were written by people who KNEW Jesus when He walked this earth.

Most of the New Testament was written by Paul who didn’t know Jesus “when He walked this earth.” He did meet the risen Christ.

The Gospels of Mark and Luke and the Book of Acts were written by men who never met Christ. Mark was Peter’s secretary and Luke was Pauls companion and biographer of sorts.

 

[eliasaph99]

teachccd;2159941:

Mary did not carry the living Word of God?? Yes or no will do…

sure she did and so do I every time I carry my New International Version of the Bible to study.

OK.

The Bible is Jesus.

Jesus is God.

The Bible is God.

:dts:

Is that really what you mean?

 

[teachccd]

OK.

The Bible is Jesus.

Jesus is God.

The Bible is God.

:dts:

Is that really what you mean?

Some will go to great lengths to dodge the truth…

 

[Steadfast]

1. Where is the word Trinity in the Bible?

Why do you assume that Sola Scriptura requires this?

1. Where in the Bible does it say Bible is the ONLY authority regarding salvation?

Ditto

1. Where in the Bible is there alter calls?

Ditto and by the way, most Protestant Churches don’t have them.

1. Where in the Bible that we are save by faith alone?

It doesn’t and Protestants don’t teach it anyway.

1. Where in the Bible that Christians are going to escape the Great Tribulation which would contradict that we must suffer just as Jesus Christ, or carry our own crosses?

What makes you think Sola Scriptura would require this? I don’t agree with it and never did as a Protestant and, again, most Protestants don’t but some Protestants see it as a necessary inference.

1. How did the Bible came into one collection of books from both OT and NT, did the Bible itself declare the NT to be infallible?

Protestants do have an answer for this having to do with the nature of the One Who speaks the Word and the nature of that Word spoken. We may not agree with it, but it’s not as though they have no answer and the Catholic question is some kind of silver-bullet guaranteed to dismantle Evangelicalism.

I think you should spend less time googling stuff up to kill Protestantism with and more time working out your salvation with fear and trembling

 

[teachccd]

Protestants don’t teach that we are saved by faith alone??? That’s it. I throw in the towel…:banghead:

And what is a moderate Catholic??

 

[AlegreFe]

How exactly does that equate to Mary and why are Catholics the only denomination that believes this?? I told a coworker of mine who is a Pentecostal minister this belief and he laughed.
(emphasis mine)

The Catholic Church is NOT a denomination. The Catholic Church is the ONE and ONLY Church that Jesus Christ built on Peter the Rock.

 

[JoeyWarren]

I’m fed up with Non-Catholics, where is that in the Bible. Not everything concerning faith and moral is not in the Bible. If you were to go by these fully then ask yourself the following questions.

1. Where is the word Trinity in the Bible?
2. Where in the Bible does it say Bible is the ONLY authority regarding salvation?
3. Where in the Bible is there alter calls?
4. Where in the Bible that we are save by faith alone?
5. Where in the Bible that Christians are going to escape the Great Tribulation which would contradict that we must suffer just as Jesus Christ, or carry our own crosses?
6. How did the Bible came into one collection of books from both OT and NT, did the Bible itself declare the NT to be infallible?

Well many and many of the Protestant Doctrines are not Biblical because none of these questions can be answered. It is proven not only in Scripture but historical records.

#7 Where is the “Sinner’s Prayer” in the Bible?

#8 Where in the Bible does it say that the “Empty Cross” is the sign of the Risen Christ? My bible tells me the sign of the Risen Christ is the “Empty Tomb”

#9 Where in the Bible does it teach that the Crucifix is irrelavent? My bible tells me “We preach Christ crucified” It also teaches that “We are crucified with Christ” My bible tells me that “For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son…”

 

[AlegreFe]

1. Where is the word Trinity in the Bible?

Why do you assume that Sola Scriptura requires this?

Because that’s what Sola Scriptura means… if it’s not in the bible then it’s no good. So if the word “Trinity” is not in the bible then you should say “it’s no good.”

But we all know that Trinity is not explicitly in the bible but what it means is in the bible. And that is what “Tradition” in the Catholic church is. Not everything is in the bible; the Bible itself says that.

25 Now there are also many other things that Jesus
did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose
that the world itself could not contain the books that
would be written.
Jn 21:25

Steadfast:

4. Where in the Bible that we are save by faith alone?

It doesn’t and Protestants don’t teach it anyway.

That’s not what my bro-in-law and brother say and they’re protestants. They say that works do not count for anything and that all you need is faith. They’ve been protestant for years now.

 

[AlegreFe]

#7 Where is the “Sinner’s Prayer” in the Bible?

#8 Where in the Bible does it say that the “Empty Cross” is the sign of the Risen Christ? My bible tells me the sign of the Risen Christ is the “Empty Tomb”

#9 Where in the Bible does it teach that the Crucifix is irrelavent? My bible tells me “We preach Christ crucified” It also teaches that “We are crucified with Christ” My bible tells me that “For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son…”

Hi Joey!! I’ve been gone for a long time. I’ve missed everyone here.

I’d like to know that too… where is the “Sinner’s Prayer” in the bible? :ehh:

 

[JoeyWarren]

Hi Joey!! I’ve been gone for a long time. I’ve missed everyone here.

I’d like to know that too… where is the “Sinner’s Prayer” in the bible? :ehh:

You were gone? Where?

okay okay, I did miss ya!

I think the “Sinner’s Prayer” is in the “Protestant’s Breviary”?

 

[Steadfast]

No, Protestants teach that Christians are justified; i.e. declared righteous for the sake of Christ, by faith alone but that “salvation” is a much larger topic subsuming election, calling, justification, sanctification, glorification, etc.

Most Protestants teach that good works are in some sense necessary for salvation though perhaps not causatively. Rather they are absolutely necessary fruits and byproducts of the faith through which they have been justified.

So, they are necessary inasmuch as they must be there but not in the sense that they merit salvation.

 

[Steadfast]

A moderate Catholic is someone who bothers to appreciate nuance and who tries to get an accurate understanding of the opinions of others because he isn’t afraid them.

 

[Steadfast]

Because that’s what Sola Scriptura means… if it’s not in the bible then it’s no good. So if the word “Trinity” is not in the bible then you should say “it’s no good.”

But we all know that Trinity is not explicitly in the bible but what it means is in the bible. And that is what “Tradition” in the Catholic church is. Not everything is in the bible; the Bible itself says that.

25 Now there are also many other things that Jesus
did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose
that the world itself could not contain the books that
would be written.
Jn 21:25

That’s not what my bro-in-law and brother say and they’re protestants. They say that works do not count for anything and that all you need is faith. They’ve been protestant for years now.

No, that’s not what Sola Scriptura means.

Here is what Sola Scriptura means:

“Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason I will not recant” -Luther

As is this.

 

[Steadfast]

It may be easier and more fun to reduce others to cartoons and then shred them, I’m sure it satisfies the need to be right.

But it isn’t honest, and that’s not right.

 

[JoeyWarren]

#7 Where is the “Sinner’s Prayer” in the Bible?

#8 Where in the Bible does it say that the “Empty Cross” is the sign of the Risen Christ? My bible tells me the sign of the Risen Christ is the “Empty Tomb”

#9 Where in the Bible does it teach that the Crucifix is irrelavent? My bible tells me “We preach Christ crucified” It also teaches that “We are crucified with Christ” My bible tells me that “For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son…”

#10 Where is it in the Bible where one has to call a fellow christian “Brother” or “Sister”? For the life of me I can’t find it where someone called Peter "
Brother Peter" or someone called Paul “Brother Paul” etc, etc, etc…sounds cultish…