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Dokimas what does Jesus telling us to quit sin have to do with him explaining to us his real Presence in the Eucharist?
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Dokimas
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Why get upset when challenged with a hard saying? I was challenged with one so called hard saying. Makes no sense. I believe in all kinds of miracles. I just donât believe in transubstanciation.
When you get upset, you miss the point, IMO. My point was Jesus didnât mean to cut off our hands or pluck out our eyes as He did NOT mean for us to drink His Blood or eat His Body in a literal sence. Our hands donât cause us to sin; our eyes donât cause us to sin. Our minds do.
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Dokimas
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I think I answered this in my last post?Dokimas what does Jesus telling us to quit sin have to do with him explaining to us his real Presence in the Eucharist?
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well put
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And because you do not submit to the authority of God completely why does it seem to anger you that others here do? Why can we not try to show others what was so greatly revealed to us by God throught the CC.
Does God not COMMAND us to do so? And who every said God forces himself on you. Scripture tells you we have free will. But do we not have free will to submit ourself to his complete authority and spread his word also. As he asked of us. This is a Catholic thread Dokimas what did you think it was for, if not to spread the word of God according to our faith???
No Christ unites and Man and Women in marriage and 2 become one. Didnât you ever hear that in Weddings. Two souls become united in marriage into one. And let no man separate the two. Christ and his Church are one in being, The soul of Jesus CHrist is united with the CC and he is one with the CC. Just as the Father, the Son and the HS are one so is the Church.
And because you do not submit to the authority of God completely why does it seem to anger you that others here do? Why can we not try to show others what was so greatly revealed to us by God throught the CC.
Does God not COMMAND us to do so? And who every said God forces himself on you. Scripture tells you we have free will. But do we not have free will to submit ourself to his complete authority and spread his word also. As he asked of us. This is a Catholic thread Dokimas what did you think it was for, if not to spread the word of God according to our faith???
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Please keep in mind which sub-forum you are in here. And Matt, for one, has âattackedâ not a single thing. Nor has Dokimas. And none of this âmakes Catholics look bad.â You seem particularly sensitive to doubts and disagreements, so perhaps a sub-forum that is designed for questioning from outside the dogma is not really the place for you.Well it because of the fruit you produce Matt. You say you are Catholic and then attack the teachings of the Church. It just looks bad for us, is all. When you do that you make us and yourself look bad.
It is one thing to say how you agree that we should all love eachother etc. But when you agree with someone who is attacking our Pope and Church teachings it makes it look like you are against the Church not for it.
And we are here on CAF not to really make friends as much as to explain the truth about our faith. ANd we cannot agree with someone when they say something false about it, that is not doing them or our faith justice.
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rinnie
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Okay then if he did not mean for us to receive the Eucharist why do you have communion in protestatant churchâs? What is the reason.
And why did Jesus say unless you eat and drink my bread and blood you will not have eternal life?
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rinnie
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Not at all. And yes if does make Catholicâs look bad when they say they are Catholic but then they do not agree with all of the teachings of the Church, because that is not a true Catholic. A true Catholic obey and accept ALL of the teachingâs of the Church. They can not pick and choose what they want to accept and not accept. If so that would make them protestant
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Transubstantiation , the most important miracle of all, , The Eucharist, The Body, Blood , soul and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, The very center of our Christian worship. You either believe it or you donât. Why not ask the Question? what do you have to lose as you now stand? Go ahead ask God, open yourself up to the whole truthâŠCarlan
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Here is a good example. He just put words in the Popes mouth for goodness sakes. The Pope said he would not accept sin, nor will he change any teachings given to the RCC by Christ. He will keep the Church pure and if people cannot accept this teaching they can choose to turn away from the true teaching of the RCC. The Pope said he will keep his promise to God to keep true to the Apostlic teachings. BUt look what Matt said he said. That Christ WANTS a smaller Church. The Pope never said that.
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When did I say we are not to take communion (or the Eucharist)? What I said is that it does not turn into the Body and Blood of Jesus literally, IMO. But communion (or the Eucharist) is as Jesus said, âin remembrance of Meâ.
I we donât accept the life of Jesus into ourselves, we canât have eternal life for He is the Resurrection and the Life.Gal 2:
20 "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
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The Resurrection is the most important miracle. The second is that a wicked soul like mine could be saved.
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If you receive the Body and Blood of Christ and you go to Holy Communion without going to confession if you are in a state of mortal sin you have condemned yourself before Christ.
We most certainly are. Why do you think that protestants cannot accept the Eucharist in the RCC until they go to RCIA and know and accept the teachings of the Church.
If you receive the Body and Blood of Christ and you go to Holy Communion without going to confession if you are in a state of mortal sin you have condemned yourself before Christ.
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rinnie
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Where did I say you do not. Please go back and read my question!
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Dokimas
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The marriage hasnât taken place yet. Weâre in the courtship phase. The Bride is not complete yet; especially if some members arenât even born yet.[SIGN][/SIGN]
No Christ unites and Man and Women in marriage and 2 become one. Didnât you ever hear that in Weddings. Two souls become united in marriage into one. And let no man separate the two. Christ and his Church are one in being, The soul of Jesus CHrist is united with the CC and he is one with the CC. Just as the Father, the Son and the HS are one so is the Church.
And because you do not submit to the authority of God completely why does it seem to anger you that others here do? Why can we not try to show others what was so greatly revealed to us by God throught the CC.
Does God not COMMAND us to do so? And who every said God forces himself on you. Scripture tells you we have free will. But do we not have free will to submit ourself to his complete authority and spread his word also. As he asked of us. This is a Catholic thread Dokimas what did you think it was for, if not to spread the word of God according to our faith???
Matthew 25:
¶ "Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
2 "Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 "Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,
4 "but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 "But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.
6 "And at midnight a cry was heard: âBehold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!â
7 "Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.
8 "And the foolish said to the wise, âGive us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.â
9 "But the wise answered, saying, âNo, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.â
10 "And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.
11 "Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, âLord, Lord, open to us!â
12 "But he answered and said, âAssuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.â
13 "Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.
Re 19:9 Then he said to me, âWrite: âBlessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!ââ And he said to me, âThese are the true sayings of God.â
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schaick
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Thank you finally an answer!! Ok so I do believe in the presence.
But did the historical church really teach the following? I am shocked, horrified and deeply troubled by these statements- I posted them on another thread trying to get answers.
**I was taught our salvation was through Jesus! ** Any other gospel was false. Were the Popes speaking from âPeterâs Chairâ on thesde?
The foundation of all our confidence is found in the Virgin Mary. God has committed to her the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is His will: that we obtain everything through Mary. Sweet heart of Mary, be my salvation! Pope Pius IX
For, since it is the will of Divine Providence that we should have the God-Man through Mary, there is no other way for us to receive Christ except from her hands. Pope Pius X
He will not taste death forever who, in his dying moments, has recourse to the Blessed Virgin Mary. What will it cost you to save us? Has not Jesus placed in your hands all the treasures of His grace and mercy? You sit crowned as Queen at the right hand of your Son: your dominion reaches as far as the heavens, and to you are subject the earth and all creatures dwelling thereon. Your dominion reaches even down into the abyss of Hell, and you alone O Mary, save us from the hands of Satan. Pope Pius XI
Nothing comes to us except through the mediation of Mary, for such is the will of God. O Virgin Most Holy, no one abounds in the knowledge of God except through thee; no one O Mother of God, attains salvation except through thee! Every one of the multitudes, therefore, whom the evil of calamitous circumstances has stolen away from Catholic unity, must be born again to Christ by that same Mother whom God has endowed with a never-failing fertility to bring forth a holy people. Pope Leo XIII
Mary, not one of thy devout servants has ever perished; may I, too, be saved! Pope Benedict XV
Outside this Church there is no salvation and no remission of sins. Pope Boniface VIII
We believe with our hearts and confess with our lips but one Church, not that of heretics, but the Holy Roman, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, outside of which we believe that no one is saved. Pope Innocent III
He who is separated from the Catholic Church will not have life. He who is separated from the body of the Catholic Church, however praiseworthy his conduct may seem otherwise, will never enjoy eternal life, and the wrath of God remains on him by reason of the crime of which he is guilty in living separated from Christ. All those who are separated from the holy universal Church will not be saved. Pope Gregory XVI
It must be held as a matter of faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church no one can be saved, that the Church is the only Ark of Salvation, and that whoever does not enter it will perish in the Flood. It is a sin to believe that there is salvation outside the Catholic Church! You must indeed see to it that the faithful have fixed firmly in their minds the absolute necessity of the Catholic faith for attaining salvation. Protestantism is the Great Revolt against God. Pope Pius IX
So is Billy Garham actually a Catholic and he doesnât know it?
Those outside the Church do not possess the Holy Ghost. The Catholic Church alone is the Body of Christ⊠and if separated from the Body of Christ he is not one of His members, nor is he fed by His Spirit. Pope Paul VI
No one, even if he pours out his blood for the name of Christ, can be saved unless he remains within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church. Pope Eugene IV
We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of **every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. **Pope Boniface VIII
Into this fold of Jesus Christ no man may enter unless he be led by the Sovereign Pontiff, and only if they be united to him can men be saved. Pope John XXIII
Those who are obstinate toward the authority of the Church and the Roman Pontiff⊠cannot obtain eternal salvation. Pope Pius IX
But did the historical church really teach the following? I am shocked, horrified and deeply troubled by these statements- I posted them on another thread trying to get answers.
**I was taught our salvation was through Jesus! ** Any other gospel was false. Were the Popes speaking from âPeterâs Chairâ on thesde?
The foundation of all our confidence is found in the Virgin Mary. God has committed to her the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is His will: that we obtain everything through Mary. Sweet heart of Mary, be my salvation! Pope Pius IX
For, since it is the will of Divine Providence that we should have the God-Man through Mary, there is no other way for us to receive Christ except from her hands. Pope Pius X
He will not taste death forever who, in his dying moments, has recourse to the Blessed Virgin Mary. What will it cost you to save us? Has not Jesus placed in your hands all the treasures of His grace and mercy? You sit crowned as Queen at the right hand of your Son: your dominion reaches as far as the heavens, and to you are subject the earth and all creatures dwelling thereon. Your dominion reaches even down into the abyss of Hell, and you alone O Mary, save us from the hands of Satan. Pope Pius XI
Nothing comes to us except through the mediation of Mary, for such is the will of God. O Virgin Most Holy, no one abounds in the knowledge of God except through thee; no one O Mother of God, attains salvation except through thee! Every one of the multitudes, therefore, whom the evil of calamitous circumstances has stolen away from Catholic unity, must be born again to Christ by that same Mother whom God has endowed with a never-failing fertility to bring forth a holy people. Pope Leo XIII
Mary, not one of thy devout servants has ever perished; may I, too, be saved! Pope Benedict XV
Outside this Church there is no salvation and no remission of sins. Pope Boniface VIII
We believe with our hearts and confess with our lips but one Church, not that of heretics, but the Holy Roman, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, outside of which we believe that no one is saved. Pope Innocent III
He who is separated from the Catholic Church will not have life. He who is separated from the body of the Catholic Church, however praiseworthy his conduct may seem otherwise, will never enjoy eternal life, and the wrath of God remains on him by reason of the crime of which he is guilty in living separated from Christ. All those who are separated from the holy universal Church will not be saved. Pope Gregory XVI
It must be held as a matter of faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church no one can be saved, that the Church is the only Ark of Salvation, and that whoever does not enter it will perish in the Flood. It is a sin to believe that there is salvation outside the Catholic Church! You must indeed see to it that the faithful have fixed firmly in their minds the absolute necessity of the Catholic faith for attaining salvation. Protestantism is the Great Revolt against God. Pope Pius IX
So is Billy Garham actually a Catholic and he doesnât know it?
Those outside the Church do not possess the Holy Ghost. The Catholic Church alone is the Body of Christ⊠and if separated from the Body of Christ he is not one of His members, nor is he fed by His Spirit. Pope Paul VI
No one, even if he pours out his blood for the name of Christ, can be saved unless he remains within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church. Pope Eugene IV
We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of **every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. **Pope Boniface VIII
Into this fold of Jesus Christ no man may enter unless he be led by the Sovereign Pontiff, and only if they be united to him can men be saved. Pope John XXIII
Those who are obstinate toward the authority of the Church and the Roman Pontiff⊠cannot obtain eternal salvation. Pope Pius IX
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rinnie
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Huh? What does Jesus and his Church being one have to do with this scripture? This scripture is speaking of the wise man and the fool. The two of them are distinguised by this parable. The Oil is considered the good deeds? What are you talking about??
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rinnie
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What is you problem with what the Pope said here dude?? He said that Mary was the best role model that we could have for a Mother. That no matter what she always stayed true to God and no matter what never had any doubt in her son Jesus Christ. By her example she has proven to us what Hope, and Gods Grace, is how we obtain Salvation. She is the most perfect example of that. God made her pure and free from sin and a perfect example for us to follow. And by her faith in God and grace he has given us she showed us through her son ALL IS POSSIBLE. Again what it your problem man??
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rinnie
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:shrug:The Catholic Church IS JESUS CHRIST. So if you can show me where you can gain salvation outside of the CC (Jesus Christ) do so. If you cannot which you cannot do, then you cannot dispute the words of the Pope.
Saul persecuting the CC. Saul Saul why are you persecuting me, WHO are you??? IT is me JESUS. Saul was persecuting the CC!!!
Saul persecuting the CC. Saul Saul why are you persecuting me, WHO are you??? IT is me JESUS. Saul was persecuting the CC!!!
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Carlan
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Transubstantiation, take the big challenge, we know the miracles you believe in, praise God, go into the desert these last weeks of Lent before Christâs sacrifice for us on the cross, his death and resurrection, and ask Him to show you if his Church is wrong about him being really and truly present Body, Blood Soul and Divinity in the Blessed Sacrament. Ask , open the door to the Truth of His real presence and you will receive now in our time.God bless you more and more, and now with all, abundantly.
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