where is the historical church founded by Jesus Christ?

[rinnie]

Yes, but this is the same phrase that is used to compliment others about 50 times in the NT, including this clear sinner:
“Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him.” (Romans)

Not true to be blessed and bless-ed is 2 very different things.

God has blessed me with many gifts. And I am blessed. But I am not bless-ed among women.

Being blessed means God did something for me.

Being bless-ed means there is something Intrinsic about me.

 

[rinnie]

Yes, but this is the same phrase that is used to compliment others about 50 times in the NT, including this clear sinner:
“Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him.” (Romans)

Correct and if he was bless-ed he would have never had the sin.

 

[rinnie]

No, rather the dispute over the interpretation of the passage. Seems that people get pretty worked up over it, to the point of killing each other.

Huh? Don’t get it. I have never ever in my life wanted to take a human life, And pray I never will:shrug:

 

[rinnie]

Yes, but this is the same phrase that is used to compliment others about 50 times in the NT, including this clear sinner:
“Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him.” (Romans)

How about: Hail Mary FULL OF GRACE THE LORD IS WITH YOU. How could she be full of Grace and have the Lord with her is she is full of sin?

 

[CMatt25]

Dokimas what does Jesus telling us to quit sin have to do with him explaining to us his real Presence in the Eucharist?

I’m almost certain Doki was saying we don’t take plucking our eyes out literally. Lots of things in Scripture you don’t take literally.

 

[CMatt25]

[SIGN][/SIGN]

Here is a good example. He just put words in the Popes mouth for goodness sakes. The Pope said he would not accept sin, nor will he change any teachings given to the RCC by Christ. He will keep the Church pure and if people cannot accept this teaching they can choose to turn away from the true teaching of the RCC. The Pope said he will keep his promise to God to keep true to the Apostlic teachings. BUt look what Matt said he said. That Christ WANTS a smaller Church. The Pope never said that.

Rinnie, Now do you produce bad fruit by saying Matt said something when he in fact did not? When did Matt say Christ wants a smaller Church? Matt NEVER said that. Matt in his own words asked, "Does Christ want a smaller church? Then he answered, “I don’t think so.”

And if the Pope wants purity and people are forced to leave if they can’t be 100% pure, then he gets a smaller church, doesn’t he?

 

[rev_kevin]

I would like to thank all of you who are praying for my former wife. She just got out of the hospital Saturday evening. Please keep her and her husband in your prayers as well as the family. Once again thanks to all of you.

 

[Matthew_P_Muehl]

WOW; we don’t even know each other and you’re accepting me as buddies. Thanks!!​

Christ is the CC, you said, and His bride. So … Christ is married to Himself???​

To believe in the Real Jesus is to have the real Truth; I agree, for what-ever that’s worth. However, let me add, that doesn’t mean we understand perfectly the Whole Truth. According to Paul, that won’t happen (total understanding) until Heaven. We must be satisfied with knowing in part.​

I accept you have an opinion about who has all the authority. You are truly welcome to your opinion, right or wrong as it may be. Without getting upset with me or anyone, could you please let us to our opinions without ramming your opinion down our ‘throats’? However, I’m not offended if you feel you must continue to try with me. If it makes you feel better, who am I do take away your good feelings.​

Isn’t ‘forced’ authority a problem with you? Jesus drew me to Himself in a kind and loving mannor. Sure my sinfulness scared me but as I began to understand the loving sacrifice of Jesus, I also understood He died for those sins and sinful tendancies that scared me. I thank God for Jesus. Do I submit to His authority completely. To my shame NO. Does He force Himself on me? … Again, NO.

What other church has the authority to interpret scripture? What other church has the fullness of truth? The bible warns against self interpretation in 2Peter1:20 -21. I’m not getting upset with you but for the life of me i can’t understand how anyone can worship and phrase christ and yet reject his church and it’s teachings. It looks like you accept christ on your terms not his.

Peace be with you…

Matthew

 

[CMatt25]

Okay then if he did not mean for us to receive the Eucharist why do you have communion in protestatant church’s? What is the reason?

Rinnie, it depends on the church. Lutherans for instance believe they receive the Lord in body and blood. Others do this more symbolically though Christ can be present for real in spirit. All do so in remembrance of Him and in remembrance of what He sacrificed for us all.

 

[larkin31]

Huh? Don’t get it. I have never ever in my life wanted to take a human life, And pray I never will:shrug:

I am referring to the Bohemian Revolt and the killing between Protestants and Catholics sparked in part by the disagreement over transubstantiation.

 

[larkin31]

How about: Hail Mary FULL OF GRACE THE LORD IS WITH YOU. How could she be full of Grace and have the Lord with her is she is full of sin?

No one said she was “full of sin”? Why are you twisting my question into a statement in the extreme?

I noted that “blessed is” is a phrase used nearly 50 times in the NT, including in reference to sinners. I don’t see from a scriptural perspective why Mary is called “without sin”. She is “blessed,” sure. But there are many sinners and saints who are “blessed” in the NT.

 

[Matthew_P_Muehl]

By the way another person taking the words of the Pope and twisting them to mean what they want them to mean.

Question how did Jesus get here?
How did we get Salvation?

Did we not get Salvation through Jesus Christ? Did Mary the Mother Of Jesus Christ say yes to God. And was she not the ARK of the NC.

Did the Ark not contain the word, and did the word not become flesh Jesus CHrist through the ARK which was Mary.

So did Salvation not come through the Ark which was the Body OF Mary the Mother of God.

The Pope never said that we bypass Jesus Christ and have Salvation BY Mary. The Pope said by The Grace, and hope of Mary and her faith we gained salvation through her by her SON JESUS CHRIST. SHe brought him into the world. This is just a small example how when people do not understand things, turn it around, twist it, take such a beautiful truth and twist it with thier own hate for the Pope and his Church and our love for the Blessed Mother and try to make it ugly. What is the point of these things???

Because rinnie when the truth is ugly only a lie can be beautiful.

Matthew

 

[CMatt25]

I would like to thank all of you who are praying for my former wife. She just got out of the hospital Saturday evening. Please keep her and her husband in your prayers as well as the family. Once again thanks to all of you.

Rev, I will and I am glad she is out of the hospital. God bless her and her husband and family and you as well.

 

[Matthew_P_Muehl]

She is part of the RCIA program at her parish, and is involved in educating converts who are entering the Roman Catholic Church. Yet she is staunchly anti-Catholic in much of her theology, and demonstrates no interest in learning about the Catholic faith or wrestling with the fact that her personal views are contrary to the Church teaching.

I am sure she is constantly learning about her Scriptures. She has been an avid bible student for 30 some years, if memory serves. She loves the Word of God, and steeps herself in it every day (according to her own testimony here on CAF).

What in the world is someone like that teaching R.C.I.A.? That makes no sense at all.

Matthew

 

[larkin31]

Not true to be blessed and bless-ed is 2 very different things.

God has blessed me with many gifts. And I am blessed. But I am not bless-ed among women.

Being blessed means God did something for me.

Being bless-ed means there is something Intrinsic about me.

The word is the same in the Bible. What are you doing with the suffix?

In Strong’s Concordance, the Greek word for “blessed” is the following (past participle of the Greek verb, “to bless”):

1. to praise, celebrate with praises
2. to invoke blessings
3. to consecrate a thing with solemn prayers
   a) to ask God’s blessing on a thing
   b) pray God to bless it to one’s use
   c) pronounce a consecratory blessing on
4. of God
   a) to cause to prosper, to make happy, to bestow blessings on
   b) favoured of God, blessed

 

[Loboto-Me]

The bible warns against self interpretation in 2Peter1:20 -21.

Also here in Acts 8 (against interpretation without proper instructions)

26 7 Then the angel of the Lord spoke to Philip, “Get up and head south on the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza, the desert route.” 27 So he got up and set out. Now there was an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official of the Candace, 8 that is, the queen of the Ethiopians, in charge of her entire treasury, who had come to Jerusalem to worship, 28 and was returning home. Seated in his chariot, he was reading the prophet Isaiah. 29 The Spirit said to Philip, “Go and join up with that chariot.” 30 9 Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?” 31 He replied, “How can I, unless someone instructs me?” So he invited Philip to get in and sit with him.

 

[guanophore]

• Christ is the CC, you said, and His bride. So … Christ is married to Himself???

This is an excellent question, and reflects the prrevailing Protestant deficient view of the Church. Let us examine the Eph. 5 on this point.

[21] Be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ.
[22] Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord.
[23] For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.
[24] As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands.
[25] Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,
[26] that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word,
[27] that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.
[28] Even so husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
[29] For no man ever hates his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, as Christ does the church,
[30] because we are members of his body.
[31] “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”
[32] This mystery is a profound one, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church;

In Apostolic Teaching, the husband and wife are joined into one body. Paul uses this analagy to describe the relationship of Christ to His One Body, the Church. The Apostle points out that Christ loves the Church as His own Body,and nourishes and cherishes it. This is one of the great mysteries of the christian faith.

To believe in the Real Jesus is to have the real Truth; I agree, for what-ever that’s worth. However, let me add, that doesn’t mean we understand perfectly the Whole Truth. According to Paul, that won’t happen (total understanding) until Heaven. We must be satisfied with knowing in part.

This is one of those aspects of our salvation that is not completed in this life.

Isn’t ‘forced’ authority a problem with you? / quote]

Yes.

You are a subject of the Successor of Peter whether you know it, accept it, or not. God gave him the responsibility to feed and care for the sheep. That means all the sheep, including those who refuse to recognize his authority.
Dokimas;6372076:

Do I submit to His authority completely. To my shame NO. Does He force Himself on me? … Again, NO.

The HS is drawing all into unity, and those who are led by the Spirit will be wooed into communion with the authority He appointed.

 

[Matthew_P_Muehl]

I would like to thank all of you who are praying for my former wife. She just got out of the hospital Saturday evening. Please keep her and her husband in your prayers as well as the family. Once again thanks to all of you.

No problem rev… May god bless you and yours.

Matthew

 

[guanophore]

Please keep in mind which sub-forum you are in here.

This is a good point. We are in the Non-Catholic subforum, which is where we should expect that these non-Catholic ideas be expressed.

 And Matt, for one, has "attacked" not a single thing. Nor has Dokimas. And none of this "makes Catholics look bad."

I think that every Catholic that does not understand or practice the faith makes the Catholic Church look bad.

What can be said about those that are here on CAF is that they are at least grappling with faith issues. Most Catholics are ignorant (I don’t mean that as insulting, but as a lack of knowledge) and not only don’t know it, but do nothing to correct it.

 

[Matthew_P_Muehl]

No one said she was “full of sin”? Why are you twisting my question into a statement in the extreme?

I noted that “blessed is” is a phrase used nearly 50 times in the NT, including in reference to sinners. I don’t see from a scriptural perspective why Mary is called “without sin”. She is “blessed,” sure. But there are many sinners and saints who are “blessed” in the NT.

To be full of grace is to be without sin.

Matthew