I don’t understand what you are saying Doki. The Faith was deposted to the Church by God. None of us “own” it (you come accross that your church owns it and is always correct about what it is), or can claim to be the origin of it. How is it condescending to rejoice when one learns that someone who has been separated from the Source of the faith still clings to some parts of it? I’m not sure why you can’t see the difference between, ‘Praise God you know Jesus as your Savior,’ and ‘Glad to see you understand Jesus is God and Savior; I can’t wait until you see things completely as the CC teaches. You’ll be a completer Christian then.’
Do you think that Prisca and Aquilla did not rejoice over Apollo? I’m not sure I understand this comment or why this comment is to me. My bad.
Personally, I do, but I will concede that there are many Catholics who do not. Do you think these passages are a complete accounting of how God has commanded us to worship Him? Of course not and that’s my point. You seem to be saying the CC has the one and only correct way to worship Jesus/God. I say God accepts true worshipers in different forms and fashions.
That very important question is outside the scope of the thread. Still a vital question in light of the fact that in this thread Suffice to say tht the historical Church founded by Christ is found in the Aposotlic Succession, and those united to it, and many non-Catholics reject the Teachings on worship that were passed on to us by the Apostles.
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So how do you reconcile your view with the historical record? how do you dispense with tall the references in the Early Fathers that the Church was Catholic? When do you think they went off the rails?
This is a common and deficient understanding of the nature of Church.
Is that right? Can you show me any documents that will demonstrate how and when the Catholic Church started 1500 years ago? It started, IMO, with Constantine. I’m referring to the CC specifically. It surely had a foundation in the early church, I have not doubt about that**. While you are at it, can you please show me how you dispense with the Apostolic understanding of the Church as Catholic? Simply a. because some of the teachings is not actually Biblical, IMO (some things about Mary; infant baptism, etc) and b. because the church is much bigger than the CC.
don’t you think that this is because God created and preserved it? I do but I thinks your understanding (and mine) are exactly God’s total truth.
So you could become Catholic if Catholicism would conform to your views? Not exactly. My view is that I should be pope, but it’s not God’s will that I’d be pope.
The Catholic Church is not at liberty to change the Teachings of Jesus (Great; maybe not all their teachings are precise teachings of Jesus) or the proclamaitons. She is duty bound to preserve that which was committed by the Apsotles, and her proclamations must conform to the doctrine of Christ. (Great goal but maybe the CC should reexamine why they teach some of the doctrines and if they are really totally accurately Biblical. You see you aren’t free to question the CC or you’re not being faithful according to the CC. That’s self-serving, IMO)
It seemed clear above that you want the Church to conform to your terms. Nope. That would require the abandonment of what was commanded her to preserve that came from Christ. So how can you say not your terms? I can’t convince you of what you’ve already made up your mind about.
The “terms” in the CC come from God, not man. I am aware that’s your opinion and what is taught by the CC.
Dokimas;6368662:
(some non-catholic Christians have tried to help you understand
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Do you think I suffer from a lack of understanding of our theological differences? I’m sure you understand the differences of our positions. That’s not the understanding I was speaking of. Surely you may not understand that our positions have merit.
