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CMatt25
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Ok but I have to say you lost me at she teaches, had to look up a word, learned in her studies but shows no willingness to learn.
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CMatt25
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Interesting post with some points well taken for us to ponder. But it must be the English teacher in you again.
Thanks Larkin.
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CMatt25
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Yeah but it takes Catholics too for the ecumenical work of unity!
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tweetymom
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How dare you call me a liar. Were you there? You may think you know everything but trust me you don’t know squat. You are very rude and I really can’t say what I would like to.
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tweetymom
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She did I was there in Los Angeles. Maybe it was just the priest but he did ask for pay.
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tweetymom
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You know what I am not confusing any thing for anything I am quite familiar with more of the Bible than you will ever think to be, I taught it for 8 years. I learn something new everyday, but not from someone like you.Don’t be to hard on Tweety. I doubt if she could even tell you what an indulgence is. .She is probably confusing a stipend for Mass for an indulgence. She is quite unfamiliar with anything out of the scope of her limited bible study and she has no desire to learn anything new.
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tweetymom
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I am not confused or lying, how rude of you I changed affiliation because of people like you. I am what I say i am. As far as ideas you have not presented one to me that was worth much. My belief in Jesus is very simple, the way He meant it to be. I am very glad I am a simple person and I do know the truth.
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tweetymom
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Sure am glad that I am here , if not who would you have to bash? But I count every bash as a blessing so keep up the good work. I am sure God has blessings in store for all the bashers.
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Poco
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Absolutely! If only more people would do so!
I humbly disagree with this. While I think I understand your meaning, Jesus Christ did set up a “heirarchy” to continue His Church (or ministry, teaching, etc. however one may look at it). While I agree there have been abuses by some (maybe many) of those in positions of “authority” or “special status”, I think they (not the abusers) have been put there for a purpose.
I know I didn’t explain that very well. I think this is one of those subjects that people write entire books on.
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Dokimas
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“Falling in” with the wrong group may be a pattern for you. Then you tried to figure out what denomination you fit in with. Again, seems to me to be the wrong way to look at it. We have visited many different churches and in the vast majority we felt that God was present and felt comfortable worshiping with those there. They didn’t always dot the i’s or cross the t’s like I would have liked, but it is wrong to deny the presence of the Lord just because they were a little different than me.I fell in with some Southern Baptists who convinced me the Catholic Church was the whore of Babylon.
It does me too. I heard that one here on CAF.
I would much prefer that Catholics who espouse non-Catholic views do so out of ignorance. It is much easier to address than rebellion.
It was my separated brethren that taught me how to read and study the Scripture. I spent three years in a Protestant Seminary, trying to figure out what denomination was right for me.
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Dokimas
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Funny Paul, Peter, James and John didn’t write about Peter being the Rock upon which Jesus would build His church. At least not in the writings chosen to be the cannon of the NT. Funny also that it is obvious that Jesus (all the Truths about Him ) was the foundation upon which Paul built and labored building His church.
Which one of us that are not part of the Body of Christ aren’t lively stones in the building of the church, according to Peter? Every true believer is a stone in His church building.
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Dokimas
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The Bible makes no attempt to document the fate of the Apostles. Okay. What writings said the first disciples were martyred for believing in transubstanciation?
You have some interesting discoveries to make about your family history, Doki.
One of the criticisms of the early Christians was “they eat their God, and drown their infants”. Babies didn’t die so they couldn’t drown. Seems the persecuters were making up stories just to have an excuse. One story could be that ‘they eat their God’. They wouldn’t be the first to misunderstand. Many stopped following Jesus because they refused to understand.
Not so much, really, they were often accused of atheism, treason and sedition, because they would not embrace the Pantheon of Gods, and confess the Emperor as God. The persecutor feared Christianity and made up all sorts of stories so they could have an excuse to kill them. Didn’t Jesus tell His disciples that if they followed Him they’d have similar fate as He did. They falsely accused Him.-
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I think you need to study up on the meaning of the amanesis Doki. It is the fulfillment of the Passover, Remember that the Passover is an enacted rememberance, where real flesh is consumed.**
In the OT the lamb was slain year after year because it did not take away the sins of the offerers. Jesus died Once for all; He does’t need to be broken again or to have His Blood shed again. It is finished. We must remember His sacrifice.
Real circumcism is of the heart not the flesh. Real baptism is a spiritual baptism not a physical. The real Presence of God for a believer is within not take in through the mouth. Remember Jesus said what enters the mouth doesn’t defile (and by extension, my I say what goes into the mouth doesn’t undefile) but what comes out of the mouth defiles because it shows what’t inside which is defiling. If Jesus lives within, we have His presence inside with no need to take Him in again and again and again. What we need to do is what Mary taught us, to ponder the truths of her Son and hide them in her heart.
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Dokimas
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From Meriam-Webster online
Main Entry: met·a·phor
Pronunciation: \ˈme-tə-ˌfȯr also -fər
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English methaphor, from Middle French or Latin; Middle French metaphore, from Latin metaphora, from Greek, from metapherein to transfer, from meta- + pherein to bear — more at bear
Date: 15th century
1 : a figure of speech in which a word or phrase **literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them **(as in drowning in money); broadly : figurative language
Jesus used this form of teaching regularly in speaking of Himself. He called Himself a Door, a Vine, etc. In the NT He’s called the Rock, the Lion of the Tribe of Juda, the Lamb that was slain before the world began. They are to be understood in another sense than literal. He is a kind of Door, a kind of Vine, etc. We eat His Body and Drink of His Blood in a symbolic way.
I asked before and I don’t remember seeing any answer to my question. I’d think if the Eucharist is really the Presence of Jesus, which is Holy beyond conprehension and the Ark of the Covenant with the Mercy Seat on top which was a symbol of His Presence AND Uzzah was struck down for touching a symbol, why aren’t more struck down when they take the Body and Blood of Jesus (His real Presense as you say) in an unholy manner? Getting sick or weak isn’t the answer, IMO. Just ask Uzzah.
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Dokimas
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I don’t know what to explain. I thought it obvious. When people are on fire for their belief does not mean that they are any of the things listed above. When you accuse others you fall into being that which your accusations are. See Tweetymom. She couldn’t resist a stab at me. Because she doesn’t like what I say to her. I saw the same with your disagreement. I don’t really believe either of you are the above but the accusation is there not because it is true but because he is a fire with the love of his Church just as you are a fire. Talk about what he says not how. If you find him offensive, put him on ignore. I am sorry for the snipe.
If catholics would ‘police’ their own when they speak to others wrongly, that would make it less necessary to bring catholics to task for saying wrong and unkind to others (catholic or non-catholic).
You saw the same with my disagreement. What are you saying to me and what disagreement are you referring to?
‘A fire with the love of God’??? How many have been drawn to the real Love of God by those tactics? How many have been driven away? I dare say it comments like those were speaking about that have driven some catholics away. The same comments won’t drive me away from the love of God. If I’m ever ‘driven’ from His love, it would be my own doing. I understand enough not to be able to use such foolish comments as an excuse.
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Dokimas
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Ditto from me.
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Dokimas
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Look pal, Christ is the catholic church and his bride!But the fullness of truth can only be found in the church he founded!
Christ gave his authority to the church to lead all into the truth! It seems authority is a BIG problem for you. If you can not accept the fullness of truth thats your problem not mine! Many things have been explained to you and yet all you have are smart remarks. Does the word catholic bother you that much? Is it because of the word catholic you can not accept the truth???
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WOW; we don’t even know each other and you’re accepting me as buddies. Thanks!!
Christ is the CC, you said, and His bride. So … Christ is married to Himself???
To believe in the Real Jesus is to have the real Truth; I agree, for what-ever that’s worth. However, let me add, that doesn’t mean we understand perfectly the Whole Truth. According to Paul, that won’t happen (total understanding) until Heaven. We must be satisfied with knowing in part.
I accept you have an opinion about who has all the authority. You are truly welcome to your opinion, right or wrong as it may be. Without getting upset with me or anyone, could you please let us to our opinions without ramming your opinion down our ‘throats’? However, I’m not offended if you feel you must continue to try with me. If it makes you feel better, who am I do take away your good feelings.
Isn’t ‘forced’ authority a problem with you? Jesus drew me to Himself in a kind and loving mannor. Sure my sinfulness scared me but as I began to understand the loving sacrifice of Jesus, I also understood He died for those sins and sinful tendancies that scared me. I thank God for Jesus. Do I submit to His authority completely. To my shame NO. Does He force Himself on me? … Again, NO.
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Carlan
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Look, you either have the faith to believe in the hard sayings. the mysteries of miracles or you don’t, It is time to move on from this thread. This has gone on long enough Doki and Matt. Peace and understanding dear God, Carlan
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rinnie
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Well it because of the fruit you produce Matt. You say you are Catholic and then attack the teachings of the Church. It just looks bad for us, is all. When you do that you make us and yourself look bad.
It is one thing to say how you agree that we should all love eachother etc. But when you agree with someone who is attacking our Pope and Church teachings it makes it look like you are against the Church not for it.
And we are here on CAF not to really make friends as much as to explain the truth about our faith. ANd we cannot agree with someone when they say something false about it, that is not doing them or our faith justice.
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