Just out of curiosity, who gave Luke all the details about Mary in Luke 1 & 2?
Read Revelation 11:19-12:6. There is the Queen of Heaven who bore a male child who was destined to rule all the nations.
The above is very Catholic!
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All that’s true but what I said is also true. No mention of Mary in any of the recorded gospel messages.Just out of curiosity, who gave Luke all the details about Mary in Luke 1 & 2?
Mary did.
And what did the Holy Spirit inspire Luke to write?
Luke 1:48-49
From now on all generations will call me blessed, 49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me—holy is his name.
How would all generations know to do this if they were not told?
It seems to me that the gospel has included quite a bit about Mary right from the beginning.
Yes, also not in the accounts I mention above.
I already said two times it’s possible. How do you know they didn’t get around on skateboards? How do you know they didn’t smoke cigars?
No. I’m sure they do but I’m not commenting on those writings. I’m commenting on the biblical accounts. The recorded preaching in the bible does not include Mary.
Well using the present logic, I could say how do you know He didn’t say to ignore Mary. Everything Jesus said has not been recorded?
Oh, yes. I see your point.
"In place of the queen in the royal court of Judah stood the
Actually other churches have same reaction. For JW’s are very miffed at Christians who seem to do nothing (esp.on Saturday mornings) for the Kingdom. There are others who are happy to do anything if shown it is required or pleasing to the Father…I would not assume anything from your interaction with them. To them “saved” is being born of the Spirit, being born again, entering life from death. To them, they were previously and unknowingly destined for hell. Now all things are in the light and new. Of course they are pilgrim’s, with a possible long journey ahead, to which you allude to, and put that way, they would concur.
Is there a Bible verse that actually uses the word “saved” that says that being saved is being born of the Spirit?
So you truly believe that angels speak to anyone who is rude to them or God? Really??
Yes, they take our prayers to God, and pray on our behalf. Thank you for agreeing with the Christian belief on this issue. And I think you should pray to God, but why not ask others, especially the holy ones in Heaven to pray for you as well? They don’t sleep, and they have plenty of limitless time in Heaven to pray for you.
Egg-zactly.
Not sure. But i think CC teaches a past, present and future “saving”. Don’t think there are any scriptures that say the lost or unsaved have been born in the spirit…It is like this . Your are in muddy waters and drowning. The Mother ship comes and hauls you in . Do you later sit on deck with a cup of cocoa and say , “Thank God I have been saved.” ? After all you are on the Mother Ship. Or do you say , " I am saved from those muddy waters but I am not sure the ship won’t sink, or maybe i will jump off the ship. I hope I’ll reach safe harbor" . Either way, the present is all we have and the person is on deck saved from an imminent death. …Maybe you prefer this one (true story) .A man falls one hundred feet on a construction site accident. He lands safely on dirt, missing concrete etc with only a bruise. As they carry him off in a stretcher to get checked out he says , " Don’t drop me".
Come on you can do better than that. That we can all pray, and that we can all pray for one another is a given. That the departed living have same hearing and seeing qualities of the Paraclete affording them specific intercession is some folks issue.
Hi benhur: I understand what you are saying. There was JW who lived next to me. They were once Catholic’s and I learned much about their ways and beliefs, yet while I did not agree with them I did get along with them. The way those who came to my door asking if I was saved told me that they themselves were assured of being saved because they believed in Jesus Christ as their personal savior, and so were saved automatically and did not have to worry about going to hell because they already knew they were going to heaven because of their believing in Jesus the Christ. I also told them that the devil also believed in Jesus the Christ and in God the Father and the Holy Spirit but that did not mean that he was going to be saved since he obviously rejected God. So it takes more than just a belief in God and or Jesus the Christ to be saved and anyway it’s up to God to decide who is saved and who is not, not us.
Will you pray for me?
Since you know I don’t pray to angels or anyone else, have you prayed for me?
Just now, actually.
Thanks Nano
What kind of Heaven would that be, where everyone is apparently bound hand and foot, gagged at the mouth, and with cotton stuffed in their ears? If the people in Heaven can’t hear us or help us, then what would be the point of becoming a Saint?