Where's the best place to live as a catholic young adult?

[phil19034]

Blessedwithfive:

I will have to say the Steubenville does not “smell like the sheep”.

Steubenville the school is a great little bubble. Students and staff LOVE being in a Catholic Bubble.

But it is a bubble…and in reality, the very definition of Catholic is the opposite of bubble.

But I do think that bubble helps them to retain & grow in their faith. Everyone I’ve met from FUS is a wonderful, well rounded person with a strong faith.

My therapist went their as an undergrad, and a know several young adults who graduated from there, who are wonderful people. Again, very well rounded and very faithful.

The purpose of is get an education. The less distractions the better. Put college is also a place to learn how to cope with the world.

Most colleges, have no safety net and kids go wild. I know of too many high school honors students who failed out of college because they were not ready for the lack of structure, supervision, etc.

I never went to FUS, but from what I see, they do a pretty good job of EASING kids into adult life, while strengthening their character and faith.

I also know far too many faithful high school kids who went to public or CINO colleges and came out with little to know faith and a darkened or skewed character.

If living in a bubble means no college culture of fornication, alcohol & drug abuse, and Godlessness, then I’m all for it.

After all, PLENTY of FUS graduates go on to help their communities, parishes and others after they graduate.

God Bless

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Xanthippe_Voorhees:

Blessedwithfive:

I will have to say the Steubenville does not “smell like the sheep”.

Steubenville the school is a great little bubble. Students and staff LOVE being in a Catholic Bubble.

But it is a bubble…and in reality, the very definition of Catholic is the opposite of bubble.

But I do think that bubble helps them to retain & grow in their faith. Everyone I’ve met from FUS is a wonderful, well rounded person with a strong faith.

My therapist went their as an undergrad, and a know several young adults who graduated from there, who are wonderful people. Again, very well rounded and very faithful.

The purpose of is get an education. The less distractions the better. Put college is also a place to learn how to cope with the world.

Most colleges, have no safety net and kids go wild. I know of too many high school honors students who failed out of college because they were not ready for the lack of structure, supervision, etc.

I never went to FUS, but from what I see, they do a pretty good job of EASING kids into adult life, while strengthening their character and faith.

I also know far too many faithful high school kids who went to public or CINO colleges and came out with little to know faith and a darkened or skewed character.

If living in a bubble means no college culture of fornication, alcohol & drug abuse, and Godlessness, then I’m all for it.

After all, PLENTY of FUS graduates go on to help their communities, parishes and others after they graduate.

God Bless

But these are not kids.

They are adults.

Highschoolers? Yeah. Keep them “safe”…but prolonging childhood really isn’t a help in my view. Parents need to do their jobs, not nanny colleges.

Voulenteering is not a “distraction” to learning…it’s an intergreal part.

 

[phil19034]

phil19034:

Xanthippe_Voorhees:

Blessedwithfive:

I will have to say the Steubenville does not “smell like the sheep”.

Steubenville the school is a great little bubble. Students and staff LOVE being in a Catholic Bubble.

But it is a bubble…and in reality, the very definition of Catholic is the opposite of bubble.

But I do think that bubble helps them to retain & grow in their faith. Everyone I’ve met from FUS is a wonderful, well rounded person with a strong faith.

My therapist went their as an undergrad, and a know several young adults who graduated from there, who are wonderful people. Again, very well rounded and very faithful.

The purpose of is get an education. The less distractions the better. Put college is also a place to learn how to cope with the world.

Most colleges, have no safety net and kids go wild. I know of too many high school honors students who failed out of college because they were not ready for the lack of structure, supervision, etc.

I never went to FUS, but from what I see, they do a pretty good job of EASING kids into adult life, while strengthening their character and faith.

I also know far too many faithful high school kids who went to public or CINO colleges and came out with little to know faith and a darkened or skewed character.

If living in a bubble means no college culture of fornication, alcohol & drug abuse, and Godlessness, then I’m all for it.

After all, PLENTY of FUS graduates go on to help their communities, parishes and others after they graduate.

God Bless

But these are not kids.

They are adults.

Highschoolers? Yeah. Keep them “safe”…but prolonging childhood really isn’t a help in my view. Parents need to do their jobs, not nanny colleges.

Voulenteering is not a “distraction” to learning…it’s an intergreal part.

I’m sorry, but they are “college kids” not “college adults.” In today’s world, young adults need to be eased into the world.

In years past, college bound kids often went to boarding school while high schoolers. This helped them prep for the independence they would have in college.

Also, until the end of the 1960s, all colleges had curfews and would not allow members of the opposite sex in dorm rooms.

So it’s only been since the sexual revolution that we treat “college kids” with a sink or swim mentality, literally throwing them into independence with no life line. Yet we wonder why so many fail or become jaded.

BTW - who says they don’t do volunteer work at Franscican University? https://www.franciscan.edu/works-of-mercy/

 

[phil19034]

BTW - last time I checked, except maybe some non-residential colleges, all colleges are bubbles. Must of us NEVER see the level of sin in our daily lives like the sheer amount of sin the average college kid sees on a daily basis.

So sinful bubble or faithful bubble? I choose faithful bubble.

Back to the OP - I still recommend the Diocese of Arlington, AV - great place to live

 

[catholicme]

The Church is huge (and growing) in Houston. There’s a lot of opportunity here and very diverse Church!

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

I’m sorry, but they are “college kids” not “college adults.” In today’s world, young adults need to be eased into the world.

In years past, college bound kids often went to boarding school while high schoolers. This helped them prep for the independence they would have in college.

Also, until the end of the 1960s, all colleges had curfews and would not allow members of the opposite sex in dorm rooms.

So it’s only been since the sexual revolution that we treat “college kids” with a sink or swim mentality, literally throwing them into independence with no life line. Yet we wonder why so many fail or become jaded.

BTW - who says they don’t do volunteer work at Franscican University? https://www.franciscan.edu/works-of-mercy/

They are adults. Full stop.

Infantalizing universities cater to parents who want to perpetuate youth.

Young people DO need to be eased into the adult world. By their parents as teens…not into their mid-20’s.

I’ve not said FUS student’s don’t volunteer. They simply do so little of it that it’s laughable in comparison to not only CINO colleges but entirely secular ones.

We “never” see the level of sin in our daily lives as college kids? Are you actually kidding me or are you for real? Working at a place of employment with my peers (late 20’s-late 30’s) was FAR worse than college.

My husband graduated from a state school that had a Newman-esque Catholic presence. Honestly, he was far better off because he knew how to seek out the good, rather than having it fall on his lap.

 

[phil19034]

phil19034:

I’m sorry, but they are “college kids” not “college adults.” In today’s world, young adults need to be eased into the world.

In years past, college bound kids often went to boarding school while high schoolers. This helped them prep for the independence they would have in college.

Also, until the end of the 1960s, all colleges had curfews and would not allow members of the opposite sex in dorm rooms.

So it’s only been since the sexual revolution that we treat “college kids” with a sink or swim mentality, literally throwing them into independence with no life line. Yet we wonder why so many fail or become jaded.

BTW - who says they don’t do volunteer work at Franscican University? https://www.franciscan.edu/works-of-mercy/

They are adults. Full stop.

Infantalizing universities cater to parents who want to perpetuate youth.

Young people DO need to be eased into the adult world. By their parents as teens…not into their mid-20’s.

I’ve not said FUS student’s don’t volunteer. They simply do so little of it that it’s laughable in comparison to not only CINO colleges but entirely secular ones.

We “never” see the level of sin in our daily lives as college kids? Are you actually kidding me or are you for real? Working at a place of employment with my peers (late 20’s-late 30’s) was FAR worse than college.

My husband graduated from a state school that had a Newman-esque Catholic presence. Honestly, he was far better off because he knew how to seek out the good, rather than having it fall on his lap.

Well, we obvious had very different college experiences.

And again, I have no pony in this show, but I seriously doubt that FUS does far less volunteer work compaired to other schools. I would imagine that FUS simply doesn’t make a big deal about telling everyone what their volunteers are doing, unlike other schools who use volunteer work as a form of marketing.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Xanthippe_Voorhees:

phil19034:

I’m sorry, but they are “college kids” not “college adults.” In today’s world, young adults need to be eased into the world.

In years past, college bound kids often went to boarding school while high schoolers. This helped them prep for the independence they would have in college.

Also, until the end of the 1960s, all colleges had curfews and would not allow members of the opposite sex in dorm rooms.

So it’s only been since the sexual revolution that we treat “college kids” with a sink or swim mentality, literally throwing them into independence with no life line. Yet we wonder why so many fail or become jaded.

BTW - who says they don’t do volunteer work at Franscican University? https://www.franciscan.edu/works-of-mercy/

They are adults. Full stop.

Infantalizing universities cater to parents who want to perpetuate youth.

Young people DO need to be eased into the adult world. By their parents as teens…not into their mid-20’s.

I’ve not said FUS student’s don’t volunteer. They simply do so little of it that it’s laughable in comparison to not only CINO colleges but entirely secular ones.

We “never” see the level of sin in our daily lives as college kids? Are you actually kidding me or are you for real? Working at a place of employment with my peers (late 20’s-late 30’s) was FAR worse than college.

My husband graduated from a state school that had a Newman-esque Catholic presence. Honestly, he was far better off because he knew how to seek out the good, rather than having it fall on his lap.

Well, we obvious had very different college experiences.

And again, I have no pony in this show, but I seriously doubt that FUS does far less volunteer work compaired to other schools. I would imagine that FUS simply doesn’t make a big deal about telling everyone what their volunteers are doing, unlike other schools who use volunteer work as a form of marketing.

And there you would be incorrect. My school and others don’t use it as marketing. It’s part of the curriculum. As you have said volunteering is NOT part of the curriculum. It’s something some people do.

But I can see that you have a love for FUS that is …strange…

And an experience of college and the “real world” that I think is outside of the norm. Maybe because I live in an area that is highly liberal and struggling with drug use. Maybe because I’ve worked in colleges and I see the issues parents put on their children, but also what occurs after college. Bubble students are often less prepared to deal with reality.

 

[ConfusedLucy]

In my experience more built up urban areas can have a better concentration of young adult Catholics which can mean more activities and things to get involved in.

 

[phil19034]

And there you would be incorrect. My school and others don’t use it as marketing. It’s part of the curriculum. As you have said volunteering is NOT part of the curriculum. It’s something some people do.

But I can see that you have a love for FUS that is …strange…

Bubble students are often less prepared to deal with reality.

1. I’m not aware of colleges that make community service part of the curriculum. When I was in college (I graduated in 2000) community service surely was not part of the curriculum. And every group I was apart of did philanthropy because we thought it would make us look good for awards from the University and/or national associations. Rarely did we do it (as a organization) to purely help people. Personally, I don’t like the idea of MAKING kids do community service for college credit or a grade. They should do it because its one of the Acts of Mercy.
2. I don’t “have a love” for FUS, I simply like what they are doing there. Are they perfect, no. No one is. But everyone I’ve met from FUS comes out ready to deal with real life. And frankly, they come out ready to challenge the real world, which I like too.
3. From your tone, you seem to have a bias against Franciscan University, which I don’t quite understand. Kids who go to Franciscan University are NO WHERE near as “sheltered” or “bubbled” as schools where the population is smaller than a high school. “Bubble” schools can go both ways, and frankly I see all colleges to be a “bubble world.” No one can say that life on the campus of UC Berkeley, Penn State, Harvard, MIT, Duke, UMass, etc are a true mirror of real life.

Colleges are not like real life. It’s their first opportunity at independence, but it’s not a reflection of the working world.

A college “bubble” can be conservative or liberal. There are plenty of kids who go to ultra liberal “bubble” colleges and have a hard time interacting in the real world too. Case in point, Evergreen State College… kids graduating there have a very hard time integrating. And even Berkeley … a libertarian speaker comes to campus and they riot… that’s not coping with reality.

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[phil19034]

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Every kid is different and all colleges are different. It’s important for a kid to pick the college that is the best fit to help them develop into the best version of themselves. For some, that will be a big state college. For others, that would be a midsize college like FUS, and for others it might be a tiny college liberal arts only college.

Finally, I think simply believe that colleges should be what they advertise. A Catholic college should be a place where parents and kids know that the students will be engulfed in a Catholic culture, to help them develop their Catholic faith. After all, that’s my MOST people send their kids to Catholic school (outside of urban areas).

What I love about Franciscan University is that it is a Catholic University that produces vocations, like Father Michael Gaitley. And it’s a school where a kid who’s Catholic faith is weak can grow in faith, vs a school like Nortre Dame where “a kid who is struggling with his faith will sink like a stone.” – the late Dr. Charles Rice, a long-time law professor at Notre Dame

If you want to make the argument that secular schools with good Catholic Newman Centers are better than homogeneous schools like FUS, that’s fine and might be a valid argument. But saying that kids who go to FUS can’t handle reality is far from the truth, as every FUS grad I know is a pretty well balanced person who’s doing just fine.

God bless.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

I have to eyeroll at your first provision.

MANY colleges have volunteerism as part of the curriculum. As I stated before my college had education students TA as soon as their sophomore year. Marketing students from second term freshman year would get a chance to write the commercial for the local Catholic school as a part of Marketing class. And so on and so forth.

For two–good for you. But really, it dosn’t work that way.

Three- I am saying that FUS is NOT really living its Catholic mission. Yes, I have an issue with that. The area that it is located in could be much better if they actually behaved in a Catholic manner. They think their mission is “bubble” and I don’t think it’s healthy.

There are many colleges that take on students whose parents did not prepare them. It is not a college problem, it is a parenting problem.

 

[phil19034]

Not really. My CINO campus was “closed” and not within city limits. It was exactly the same size as Steubenville. However, we were deeply involved in the community. The education students started TA work as sophomores, providing local run-down schools with hundreds and thousands of volunteer hours. Computer students rotated running classes at the library, senior centers or did other NP work. Catering students did food waste mitigation work with local businesses. Business students wrote campaigns for NPO’s and Catholic schools. Accounting students did taxes. Theatre students ran plays…I can go on and on.

Basically, if you went to college you WERE involved in the community. There was no way to avoid it. Each student was required to do 3 hrs per semester per class on top of any class requirements.

Steubenville does none of this. And don’t give me the “area is worse” crud. The places that my college impacted were FAR better than a few towns over outside of our reach.

Closed campus shouldn’t mean that the students are in their ivory tower. For the most part it does at Steubenville…so when they get money to re-pave a street or erect comfortable housing the people get testy. They see themselves getting nothing when the college gets richer and richer.

Again… look at all of these University sponsored Works of Mercy projects

https://www.franciscan.edu/works-of-mercy/

These don’t include projects that individual student organizations do too.
http://franciscan.smartcatalogiq.com/en/2016-2017/Undergraduate-Catalog/Student-Life-Clubs

As far as Education, most education students at all colleges do tutoring and/or TA work at local schools. I know I did when was an education major and as part of my college fraternity. Though I did it because I was forced, while some of my friends continued to do it when they were no longer getting credit (I was not comfortable with one-on-one work with kids) .

Anyway, who says FUS students do none of this? Just because they are not required to do 3 hours per semester doesn’t mean they don’t do community service. That’s the statement I object to. Your college administration felt the need to force community service, while FUS decided to preach the Works of Mercy and allow the students to choose on their own to fulfill God’s commandment.

To me, forcing 3 hours of community service per semester is like forcing students to attend Church services. I don’t like it. They should be doing it because they want to. NOTE: I’m not talking about individual classes.

God Bless

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Xanthippe_Voorhees:

Not really. My CINO campus was “closed” and not within city limits. It was exactly the same size as Steubenville. However, we were deeply involved in the community. The education students started TA work as sophomores, providing local run-down schools with hundreds and thousands of volunteer hours. Computer students rotated running classes at the library, senior centers or did other NP work. Catering students did food waste mitigation work with local businesses. Business students wrote campaigns for NPO’s and Catholic schools. Accounting students did taxes. Theatre students ran plays…I can go on and on.

Basically, if you went to college you WERE involved in the community. There was no way to avoid it. Each student was required to do 3 hrs per semester per class on top of any class requirements.

Steubenville does none of this. And don’t give me the “area is worse” crud. The places that my college impacted were FAR better than a few towns over outside of our reach.

Closed campus shouldn’t mean that the students are in their ivory tower. For the most part it does at Steubenville…so when they get money to re-pave a street or erect comfortable housing the people get testy. They see themselves getting nothing when the college gets richer and richer.

Again… look at all of these University sponsored Works of Mercy projects

https://www.franciscan.edu/works-of-mercy/

These don’t include projects that individual student organizations do too.
http://franciscan.smartcatalogiq.com/en/2016-2017/Undergraduate-Catalog/Student-Life-Clubs

As far as Education, most education students at all colleges do tutoring and/or TA work at local schools. I know I did when was an education major and as part of my college fraternity. Though I did it because I was forced, while some of my friends continued to do it when they were no longer getting credit (I was not comfortable with one-on-one work with kids) .

Anyway, who says FUS students do none of this? Just because they are not required to do 3 hours per semester doesn’t mean they don’t do community service. That’s the statement I object to. Your college administration felt the need to force community service, while FUS decided to preach the Works of Mercy and allow the students to choose on their own to fulfill God’s commandment.

To me, forcing 3 hours of community service per semester is like forcing students to attend Church services. I don’t like it. They should be doing it because they want to. NOTE: I’m not talking about individual classes.

God Bless

Again, I didn’t say they did nothing, I’m saying it’s not enough. And it’s not. Their “works of mercy” are kinda pathetic.

And the 3hrs per class per semester worked well for our school. It made students focus on something other than themselves. It meant that we were very accessible to the community and it also ment that students had great connections for jobs.

 

[phil19034]

MANY colleges have volunteerism as part of the curriculum. As I stated before my college had education students TA as soon as their sophomore year. Marketing students from second term freshman year would get a chance to write the commercial for the local Catholic school as a part of Marketing class. And so on and so forth.

Yes, I had to do volunteerism has part of my education classes too.

But I didn’t have to have 3 hours of volunteerism (outside of a class requirement) as a requirement from the University.

Look, if you want to say that the kids there should do MORE volunteer work fine. And who knows, maybe I’m looking at FUS though rose colored glasses, but I think you are being over critical of them at the same time.

God bless

 

[phil19034]

Again, I didn’t say they did nothing, I’m saying it’s not enough. And it’s not. Their “works of mercy” are kinda pathetic.

And the 3hrs per class per semester worked well for our school. It made students focus on something other than themselves. It meant that we were very accessible to the community and it also ment that students had great connections for jobs.

perhaps I should have posted this link instead: https://www.franciscan.edu/missionary-outreach/

Now, if you want to say, "they should focus more on people in the City of Stubenville instead of Pittsburgh, Africa, etc. so be it.

Perhaps there are historical reasons why they help the poor in Pittsburgh that we are not aware of. And maybe they should focus more on the local community. But again, I simply object to the idea that they are not living the Catholic mission. Sure, everyone could live it out more, but there are plenty of Catholic colleges focusing on Social Justice. But, we need more that are focused on spiritual faith formation and the catechism like FUS does.

God Bless and time for me to get back to work.

 

[michaelArc]

The cynicist in me says the moon… I think I’ll stick with that.

 

[Cruciferi]

Move to Ohio! We are the birthplace of 7 USA Presidents! Don’t move to my city though It’s decrepit, dangerous, and vile…

 

[ziapueblo]

Saint George Melkite Greek-Catholic Church of Sacramento, CA! Very vibrant community with an amazing pastor, Father Hezekias Carnazzo! Father Hezekias is founder of the Institute of Catholic Culture, and is it’s Executive Director!

ZP

 

[JamalChristophr]

Wow, talk about a hi-jacked thread.