"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President."

[TMC]

This thread is about a book.

LOL… oh wait, you’re serious.

 

[irishpatrick]

Is the BC banned? Why?

 

[TMC]

Is the BC banned? Why?

I guess it isn’t. Thought it was for some reason.

 

[Nicea325]

Originally Posted by DawnInTexas
Do you have a question about George Bush?

Sorry,but no one has the time to ask questions about any Bush-can take years!

Which George Bush do you have a question about?
The First, or his son, the Second President? Both of whom were in the Military.

U-huh and I am wondering why you did not mention Bush Jr. dodged the war in Vietnam? Funny how he danced around the question back in 2004. WAR DODGER!

<-Both of both of their parents were U.S. Citizens when they were born.

AND? Does that make one a better person,let alone President.

This is the millions-dollar question.

There are those Constitutional Requirements that need to be fulfilled and followed.

And lying about WMD is okay?

 

[Robert_Bay]

NOTICE

I will temporarily allow this topic as long as it is discussed charitably. Those who insist on insulting people will find themselves suspended.

Keep on the topic of Obama’s birth certificate in this thread. Do not bring up anyone else unless it is in reference to a court case on this topic.

When it doubt, leave it out.

 

[a_priori]

I have no idea where President Obama was born. The average person who makes a declaration about this has insufficient data to do so. The point is that this forthcoming book may be a dud, or it may take the discussion to a new level and precipitate something of a Constitutional crisis.

 

[Phemie]

The question is not about being an American citizen. A naturalized American has a US passport.

The Constitution requires the President to be born an American citizen.

What State do you know which would issue a Certificate of Live Birth for a baby who was born elsewhere??

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

What State do you know which would issue a Certificate of Live Birth for a baby who was born elsewhere??

Why would his own grandmother in Kenya quite clearly disclose that he was born in Kenya, and can show you the hospital and room number, probably the doctor. Noone in Hawaii seems to know those details.

My point is that he gets re-elected, serves another 4 years, and then publicly admits that he was born in Kenya, provoking a constitutional crisis by establishing the precedent that the “natural born citizen” is no longer relevant and should be removed as a requirement. Even George Soros has gone on record saying that it was “unfair to the rest of the world that only American citizens can run for American political office when we have so much influence on other countries”. He seems to be of the mind that citizens of other countries should be able to run for an hold elected office in the United States.

 

[St_Francis]

Why would his own grandmother in Kenya quite clearly disclose that he was born in Kenya, and can show you the hospital and room number, probably the doctor. Noone in Hawaii seems to know those details.

The tape was cut off at the point where it seemed like she said that he was born in Kenya. This was very deceptive, because she corrected And said he was born in Hawaii in the part that was left out. You can see the full transcript here, starting in page 11or 12.

Basically and quickly, some Americans called Mrs Obama (the president’s step-grandmother) and asked if she were present when he was born in Kenya. This was transmitted via speakerphones on both ends, with several people at either end, through a translator in Kenya whose English was good but not great.

Under these difficult circumstances, Mrs Obama said she was present in Kenya when Obama was born, but she did not mean that he was born where she was, and as soon as the Kenyans realized what had happened, they clarified, bit that part was cut out of the tape.

This was the only evidence that Obama was born outside the US, and as we can see, the unedited tape shows the exact opposite. There is not a single other shred of evidence that he was born outside of the US.

Since there is no evidence that he was born elsewhere, it would seem that we must accept that he is a natural-born citizen eleigible to be president.

It is odd that he has spent quite a lot of money rather than simply publicize his bc, but without evidence that he was born outside the US, he is under no obligation to show it.

 

[PatrickSebast]

Why would his own grandmother in Kenya quite clearly disclose that he was born in Kenya, and can show you the hospital and room number, probably the doctor. Noone in Hawaii seems to know those details.

My point is that he gets re-elected, serves another 4 years, and then publicly admits that he was born in Kenya, provoking a constitutional crisis by establishing the precedent that the “natural born citizen” is no longer relevant and should be removed as a requirement. Even George Soros has gone on record saying that it was “unfair to the rest of the world that only American citizens can run for American political office when we have so much influence on other countries”. He seems to be of the mind that citizens of other countries should be able to run for an hold elected office in the United States.

His own grandmother said no such thing. It was simply a manipulation of translators and understandings. salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2009/07/23/liddy

 

[St_Francis]

Agreed, but better you say it than me. If I went that far and said that, I would have been told that I was from a socialist country so of course I did not realise just how important these laws are for maintaining the country as a democracy.

Consider that King George Third,'against whom we rebelled, was A German who didn’t speak English. obviously our Founding Fathers wanted to do things a little differently. We also allow our Presidents to be any religion they choose rather than having to be Anglican

 

[Linda_Marie]

I’m not convinced he was born in the US (why call Obama’s grandmother a liar?). But as mentioned above even if he was born in Kenya he is as eligible (legally) to be president as John McCain was.
Good question.

Both of John McCain’s parents were American citizens. The law is different is one parent is not a citizen.

The law in effect at the time of Obama’s birth states that for an American citizen married to a non-American to pass on their citizenship to their child who is born overseas, they must have resided in the United States for a minimum of 10 years, 5 of which must be after the age of 16.

Obama’s mother did not qualify. She was 18 when she had Obama, so there was no way she could have lived in the US for 5 years after the age of 16. So, no, she could not automatically pass on her citizenship if he was born outside the USA.

In addition, at the time he was adopted by Mr Soetoro in Indonesia, Indonesia did not recognise any dual citizenships. To claim Indonesian citizenship, which he did or rather was done for him by his mother and step-father, he was required to relinquish any other citizenship he had at the time. Even if he had been born in the US, he would have lost his citizenship by this action.

To the best of anyone’s knowledge, he has taken no steps to reinstate his birth nationality, assuming he was born in Hawaii. He would have had to have done this within 6 months of turning 18 in order for him to ‘reclaim’ his US citizenship (again assuming a Hawaii birth) since he was a minor when he became Indonesian. If he was not born in the US, there was no US citizenship for him to reclaim. There is no record of him ever having officially claimed US citizenship after reaching 18.

Loss of U.S. Nationality
A national who within six months after attaining the age of eighteen years asserts his claim to United States nationality, in such manner as the Secretary of State shall by regulation prescribe, shall not be deemed to have lost United States nationality by the commission, prior to his eighteenth birthday, of any of the acts specified in paragraph (3) and (5) of section 349 of this title.

Renunciation of US citizenship is irrevocable and cannot be set aside without administrative or judicial appeal, except in the case of a former US citizen who officially renounced his or her citizenship prior to attaining the age of 18. Such a renunciant can have citizenship reinstated if he or she makes known that desire to the Department of State within six months of attaining the age of 18.

Then there is the video evidence of Obama personally saying that he was not born in the US and is not an American citizen. What has changed since he made that speech?

Instead of producing the information requested, he has spent millions to keep everything secret, from his birth certificate to his school and university records.

 

[St_Francis]

In addition, at the time he was adopted by Mr Soetoro in Indonesia, Indonesia did not recognise any dual citizenships. To claim Indonesian citizenship, which he did or rather was done for him by his mother and step-father, he was required to relinquish any other citizenship he had at the time. Even if he had been born in the US, he would have lost his citizenship by this action.

The only “evidence” that he was adopted is that they used his stepfather’s last name in his school registration. In the 60’s, in Indonesia. This is not proof that he was adopted. In fact, it was not at all unusual in the US in this type os situation, as it kept everyone in the family using the same last name.

In order to back up an allegation that he was adopted, those making the allegation have to come up with some actual evidence that he was adopted.

Then there is the video evidence of Obama personally saying that he was not born in the US and is not an American citizen. What has changed since he made that speech?

Another very tightly edited recording? What’s in the rest of the talk? Are the next words he says something like, Of course, I’m only kidding?

Instead of producing the information requested, he has spent millions to keep everything secret, from his birth certificate to his school and university records.

I doubt he’s spent millions, he doesn’t have all that many… and so what? Who knows what’s on there? Maybe he was one of twins and his mother was so devastated that it is a taboo subject for him?

But since there is no evidence that he was born outside the US, there is no need for us see the long-form birth certificate. It is absurd to keep pushing this.

 

[Linda_Marie]

On the contrary, there is no evidence that BHO was born in the US and considerable evidence that he was not, including his admission from his own mouth. For documentation, there is only the Hawaiian COLB, which were routinely issued to foreign born non-citizens. The notice of birth in the newspaper is no evidence at all. It is incumbent on the applicant to prove eligibility. We, as his employers, have a right to know that he is eligible. Instead all we have is obfuscation, ridicule, and megabuck lawsuits to keep all the official records hidden.

Obama law tab up to $1.4 million
Posted: August 10, 2009

The fact that BHO has sealed all of his records and spends megabucks to keep all of that hidden, tells me there is something to hide. The truth is that we don’t really know who this man is.

It is really hard to prove things when everything has been sealed.

For the record, the following Obama records remain under lock and key, more than two years into public demands for Obama “transparency"… and Obama has spent a reported $1 Million in legal fees to keep them SEALED!

Obama’s official birth records -SEALED
His Occidental College records -SEALED
His Columbia College records -SEALED
His Harvard College records -SEALED
His College Thesis -SEALED
His Harvard Law Review articles -SEALED
His Indonesia Adoption records -SEALED
His Passport file -SEALED
His connection to countless foreign and domestic thugs -SEALED

The evidence would indicate young Barack Hussein Obama was adopted by Indonesian citizen Lolo Soetoro after Soetoro and Obama’s mother were married. The most convincing evidence is the Hawaii divorce papers filed in 1980 as Stanley Ann Soetoro vs. Lolo Soetoro. This document lists the couple as having two children. One is under the age of eighteen. That would be Maya Soetoro who was born in 1970. The other child is listed as over eighteen and in need of educational support. That would be Barry Soeroto (Barack Hussein Obama.) There are no other known children related to this marriage.

Soetoro/Obama was registered in a public school as an Indonesian citizen by the name of Barry Soetoro and his father was listed as Lolo Soetoro, M.A. Indonesia did not allow foreign students to attend their public schools in the late 1960’s or 1970’s, and any time a child was registered for a public school, the child’s name and citizenship status were verified through the Indonesian Government. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Chapter 13, Law No. 62 of 1958 (all citizens of Indonesia have a right to education). The Indonesian school record, indicates that Soetoro/Obama’s name is “Barry Soetoro;” his nationality is “Indonesia” and his father "Lolo Soetoro, M.A. There was no way for Soetoro/Obama to have attended school in Jakarta, Indonesia legally unless he was an Indonesian citizen, as Indonesia was under tight rule and was a Police State. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Law No. 62 of 1958. These facts indicate that Obama/Soetoro was/is an Indonesian citizen, and therefore he is not eligible to be President of the United States.

Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Soetoro/Obama, an Indonesian State citizen. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 62 of 1958 concerning Immigration Affairs and Indonesian Civil Code (Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Perdata) (KUHPer) (Burgerlijk Wetboek voor Indonesie).

What does it matter if the excerpt from his speech is short? He clearly states, “It is true. I am not an American. I was not born in Hawaii. I was not born in the United States of America. I come from Kenya.” or are you saying that he did not say those things, that someone dubbed them onto the video?
Here are some longer exerpts from that speech. He does not continue to say, “I’m only kidding.”
youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8

youtube.com/watch?v=UsUBFkjv8bA&feature=related

 

[Aramis]

I don’t have a “Certificate of Live Birth.”

Anyone here-have a Certificate of Live Birth?

God Bless you.
+Jesus, I Trust In You!
Love, Dawn

Yes. From Ohio. Actually, I have a certified true copy of the record card, AND a certificate of live birth… the latter since they switched to computerized.

 

[Aramis]

What State do you know which would issue a Certificate of Live Birth for a baby who was born elsewhere??

Alaska. I’ve seen one that was issued for an individual born at sea in international waters. It lists place of birth as a lat-long coordinate.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

To get a passport, you need a birth certificate.

Betcha his real name is Soetoro and that is why he is going to such extremes … but nonetheless, he WAS born in Hawaii.

 

[irishpatrick]

There are far more important issues to worry about than this.

 

[Michael_C]

And one more time…how does one’s birthplace affect his or her political decisions? Second,how is producing a birth certificate going to change your life? Oh trust me, I know a lot of fellow citizens have made a hobby of looking for employment-similar under the 8 years of no clue-no brains- Bush.

It’s reflective of his character and how he goes about dealing with issues. When he is no longer President (Which can not happen soon enough) I will not be as concerned.

 

[irishpatrick]

It’s reflective of his character and how he goes about dealing with issues. When he is no longer President (Which can not happen soon enough) I will not be as concerned.

So, is it more important to concern ourselves with getting someone else elected in 2012, or should we obsess over an issue that will NEVER be resolved either way?

(if it is resolved, it will be resolved by the President–not by us and not the Tea Party and not the birthers)

This is such a waste of time.