"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President."

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There are far more important issues to worry about than this.
I so agree: Obama is extreme in his pro-abortion views and far further to the left than most Americans on issues like subsidiarity, priorities, etc. This issue is distracting us from having the conversations we really need to be having, which benefits Obama and his leftist allies.

Do we really want to do that?

I fell for the tape until I saw “the rest od the story.” Seeing how these people manipulate the issue, by trying to say the use of his stepfather’s name in Indonesia indicates he was adopted? By cutting off the tape? By saying that information about his acquaintances is “sealed”? If the Democrats had wanted to distract us from the real issues, they couldn’t have come up with a better plan.
 
I so agree: Obama is extreme in his pro-abortion views and far further to the left than most Americans on issues like subsidiarity, priorities, etc. This issue is distracting us from having the conversations we really need to be having, which benefits Obama and his leftist allies.

Do we really want to do that?

I fell for the tape until I saw “the rest od the story.” Seeing how these people manipulate the issue, by trying to say the use of his stepfather’s name in Indonesia indicates he was adopted? By cutting off the tape? By saying that information about his acquaintances is “sealed”? If the Democrats had wanted to distract us from the real issues, they couldn’t have come up with a better plan.
Exactly. If people had any wisdom, they’d drop this BC issue immediately and get to work finding a solid candidate to vote for in 2012.
 
On the contrary, there is no evidence that BHO was born in the US and considerable evidence that he was not, including his admission from his own mouth. For documentation, there is only the Hawaiian COLB, which were routinely issued to foreign born non-citizens. The notice of birth in the newspaper is no evidence at all. It is incumbent on the applicant to prove eligibility. We, as his employers, have a right to know that he is eligible. Instead all we have is obfuscation, ridicule, and megabuck lawsuits to keep all the official records hidden.

The fact that BHO has sealed all of his records and spends megabucks to keep all of that hidden, tells me there is something to hide. The truth is that we don’t really know who this man is.

It is really hard to prove things when everything has been sealed.

What does it matter if the excerpt from his speech is short? He clearly states, “It is true. I am not an American. I was not born in Hawaii. I was not born in the United States of America. I come from Kenya.” or **are you saying that he did not say those things, that someone dubbed them onto the video?**Here are some longer exerpts from that speech. He does not continue to say, “I’m only kidding.”
youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8

youtube.com/watch?v=UsUBFkjv8bA&feature=related
OMG!! That was editted so much that I could barely understand some of those words!
Also, please do not post anything from Birthers.org or WND.com, talk about as biased as anything can be.

The bolded and underlined part. I listened to that video with sound up and even I can tell that was edited and dubbed just the right way.

Please people get over this. He was born in Hawaii in August 1961. That is it.

Paul
 
OMG!! That was editted so much that I could barely understand some of those words!
Also, please do not post anything from Birthers.org or WND.com, talk about as biased as anything can be.

The bolded and underlined part. I listened to that video with sound up and even I can tell that was edited and dubbed just the right way.

Please people get over this. He was born in Hawaii in August 1961. That is it.

Paul
It does not matter what rationale we use–birthers would rather see Obama get re-elected, than simply drop this issue.
 
Leaving aside Pres. Obama’s birth certificate or lack of can we just admit the “natural born” citizen requirement is stupid and amend the Constitution to abolish it?

Here’s a question; could someone be Prez who has dual citizenship, US & X?
 
Leaving aside Pres. Obama’s birth certificate or lack of can we just admit the “natural born” citizen requirement is stupid and amend the Constitution to abolish it?

Here’s a question; could someone be Prez who has dual citizenship, US & X?
NO–the founders had reasons for that requirement and I think they are sound reasons.
 
If Barack Obama is ineligible to serve as president of the United States, we shouldn’t be looking at ways to change the law. We should instead demand that he be removed from that office immediately.
In 2008 I wasen't much of a birther, because I focused instead on Obama's political associations and voting record instead. Now I'm beginning to think there may well be something to it. Even Donald Trump has raised questions.
 
There are far more important issues to worry about than this.
On the contrary, there is no evidence that BHO was born in the US and considerable evidence that he was not, including his admission from his own mouth. For documentation, there is only the Hawaiian COLB, which were routinely issued to foreign born non-citizens. The notice of birth in the newspaper is no evidence at all. It is incumbent on the applicant to prove eligibility. We, as his employers, have a right to know that he is eligible. Instead all we have is obfuscation, ridicule, and megabuck lawsuits to keep all the official records hidden.
There is evidence that he was born in Hawaii; not definitive evidence, that’s true, but sufficient evidence for government purposes such as getting a passport, etc.

However, there is no evidence that he was born elsewhere. There is no evidence that his mother travelled to Kenya at that time, there is no evidence in Kenya that he was born there. Kenyans who are not even related to him saying that he was, even saying in a language foreign to them that they are building some sort of memorial, is not evidence. Have you ever had an extended conversation in a foreign language with a native speaker of that language? You don’t necessarily catch the particular meanings of what they are saying, just the jist.
The fact that BHO has sealed all of his records and spends megabucks to keep all of that hidden, tells me there is something to hide. The truth is that we don’t really know who this man is.
I agree that he has something to hide; I disagree that it is any of pir business. Aside from where he was born, there is absolutely nothing about his birth which is any of our business. At that time, there was a lot of shame attached to a birth which occurred less than 9 months after the wedding, and “miscenegation” was still an issue.

Why anything about his birth other than the location is any of or business is beyond me. It wouldn’t reflect on him at all.
It is really hard to prove things when everything has been sealed.
So what if he doesn’t reveal that stuff? Some of it, btw, is not “sealed,” just unknown, and if the list has his “adoption records” on it as some of these lists do, then that is simply deceptive. He is not required by law to reveal it, and apparently the lack of this information was not a problem with his getting elected, which is all that counts.
What does it matter if the excerpt from his speech is short? He clearly states, “It is true. I am not an American. I was not born in Hawaii. I was not born in the United States of America. I come from Kenya.” or are you saying that he did not say those things, that someone dubbed them onto the video?
Here are some longer exerpts from that speech. He does not continue to say, “I’m only kidding.”
youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8
The first one does not contain a longer excerpt; I haven’t checkedmout the second yet.

You ask what does it matter if it’s short? Gee, what does it matter if the tape with his grandmother was short, other than the fact that she directly says he was born in Hawaii in the part that was cut out? Did you look at the document I linked? It has the part that was edited out, the part where Mrs Obama says he was born in Hawaii.

Context matters. An ad for a rrestaurant could quote part of Gordon Ramsey’s saying: This restaurant is amazing, because despite the terrible food and lousy service, it is still in business. So, just take the right “short” part and you have, this restaurant is amazing…
 
If Barack Obama is ineligible to serve as president of the United States, we shouldn’t be looking at ways to change the law. We should instead demand that he be removed from that office immediately.
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                 In 2008 I wasen't much of a birther, because I focused instead on Obama's political associations and voting record instead. Now I'm beginning to think there may well be something to it. Even Donald Trump has raised questions.
I believe Trump is an attention seeker. Nothing more.
 
And…just like when the left claimed Bush stole the election…this issue will just go on and on and on and on…until in 2012 Obama is re-elected.

If people really believe that the President was not born in the USA, then work to get someone else elected NEXT YEAR.
 
It’s reflective of his character and how he goes about dealing with issues. When he is no longer President (Which can not happen soon enough) I will not be as concerned.
Character? I thought the issue is his birth certificate,now you switch over to his character? Proof the whole issue is a joke! You still have failed to answer my question, an indicator what I am telling you makes perfect sense and has no bearing on one’s political decisions. Clearly this whole issue is absurd and people have nothing better to do.
 
So, is it more important to concern ourselves with getting someone else elected in 2012, or should we obsess over an issue that will NEVER be resolved either way?

(if it is resolved, it will be resolved by the President–not by us and not the Tea Party and not the birthers)

This is such a waste of time.
Exactly! And funny how people who are making such a fuss over this,still cannot answer my question: How does one’s birthplace affect his/her political decisions?
 
Exactly! And funny how people who are making such a fuss over this,still cannot answer my question: How does one’s birthplace affect his/her political decisions?
I guess the founding fathers were stupid in this requirement .Your question undercuts them.Then why make a fuss either way? Cause it doesn’t matter,right ? Wrong!
 
Exactly! And funny how people who are making such a fuss over this,still cannot answer my question: How does one’s birthplace affect his/her political decisions?
If Obama were born in Cuba he’d be a conservative.
 
And…just like when the left claimed Bush stole the election…this issue will just go on and on and on and on…until in 2012 Obama is re-elected.

If people really believe that the President was not born in the USA, then work to get someone else elected NEXT YEAR.
Quite frankly, if were an American, I’d be incredibly embarrassed by this sort of thing - both from the Left and the Right. It’s certainly allowing your country to be mocked across the political spectrum on this side of the Atlantic.
 
Exactly! And funny how people who are making such a fuss over this,still cannot answer my question: How does one’s birthplace affect his/her political decisions?
It can have a large impact on who they are at their core. We do, imo, want people that are fully Americanized and love not only this nation, but the system it operates under. A person with different loyalties would likely make different politcal and legal decisions.
 
Quite frankly, if were an American, I’d be incredibly embarrassed by this sort of thing - both from the Left and the Right. It’s certainly allowing your country to be mocked across the political spectrum on this side of the Atlantic.
I had sympathy in the begining when it was right to try to insure the President was born in the USA…but it is now a year and half until the next election–time to move on.

BTW, I am not one that cares much about what people in other parts of the world thinks about our political processes. They should mind to their own matters…not ours. IMO. 🙂
 
Exactly! And funny how people who are making such a fuss over this,still cannot answer my question: How does one’s birthplace affect his/her political decisions?
Let me try to be more clear.

You asked “how does one’s birthplace affect his or her political decisions”

My answer*:* There are requirements for being President of the United States. If he has been dishonest about meeting those requirements then he is not an honest person and I can not trust him. If he was born here he should put this to rest and simply produce the document.

I believe the above is reflective of his character and that concerns me.


You asked*: “Second,how is producing a birth certificate going to change your life”*

My Answer: The President of the United States wields power that effects my life. Among those are financial decisions and moral decisions. His healthcare decisions alone will have an enormous impact on me and my family.

In regards to people that have nothing better to do, my question to you is: Do you always spend time on posts that you feel are “Absurd” and a” waste of time”?
 
Let me rephrase that.

If Obama had been born in Cuba, his name would be Marco Rubio.
 
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