"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President."

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Nicea325 said:
Nope! You still did answer at all. How does one’s BIRTHPLACE affect a politican’s decisions? You merely side step. Tell me how it affects one,if he or she is born overseas? .
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The laws governing US citizenship for overeseas births in place at that time would not have allowed his mother to pass on her citizenship as she was not old enough. Since his father was not a US citizen, had Obama been born overeseas, he would not have been born a US citizen.

There is a Constitutional requirement that the President be “a natural-born” citizen. That is why, if there were any evidence that Obama was born outside the US, the issue would need to be sorted out.
 
St_Francis said:
The laws governing US citizenship for overeseas births in place at that time would not have allowed his mother to pass on her citizenship as she was not old enough. Since his father was not a US citizen, had Obama been born overeseas, he would not have been born a US citizen.

There is a Constitutional requirement that the President be “a natural-born” citizen. That is why, if there were any evidence that Obama was born outside the US, the issue would need to be sorted out.
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Yup. If it is proved that he was born outside the USA, he would have to resign the Presidency.

Not a great big deal, as I hope that the American voters have resigned (NB: not re-signed) him by then.

I would imagine that any future presidental prospects will have to prove “natural born”, which is as it should be.
 
LemonAndLime said:
My comment on racial stereotype was in relation to those who think he’s a Muslim.
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OK, I think that there may be a language problem here. In the US, racism generally refers to relations between whites and blacks, and to a lesser extent, between whites and Hispanics and whites and Native Americans (American Indians).

When I looked up race riots in England, I got a reference to the Oldham riots, in which the racial tension was between English and Pakis, most of whom are Moslem. Would the British think that racial tension referred to tension with Moslems/Pakis? (who are also called Asians, fyi to Americans, whereas, fyi to British, in the US, Asian refers to those from the Far East, like the Japanese and Chinese.)

Hope this is accurate and helpful.
 
mary_bobo said:
We have this quaint idea that laws and the Constitution should be upheld. And the same countries who might be mocking us are, no doubt, the same ones who look to the USA to help them everytime a disaster hits their shores. We don’t ask for, nor expect, gratitude. But it would be gentlemanly to at least lay off the criticism.
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Some prospective voters must be asking themselves: “If Obama is such an open and articulate person, transparent, then why does he go through so many legal procedures to prevent us, his supporters, from knowing who he really is? Why the need for so much mystery? Why do we need a ‘mystery man’ as President of the United States?”
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
McCain was born in Panama. Nobody has the hysterics thinking he was some outsider Manchurian infiltrator. I wonder why that was? Perhaps his skin color and party had something to do with it?

McCain and most normal Republicans have had the decency to drop this outrageously absurd speculation that Obama is a Muslim, Kenya-born spy out to destroy the U.S. Why do people continue to believe this nonsense? It belongs with the type of person who thinks Bush brought down the Twin Towers to start a war…:rolleyes:
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Probably because McBain had proof of his birthplace, and it was ruled legally as being according to the provisions of the constitution. It isn’t like democrtas didn’t make an issue of it, it was just legally put to rest.

Whether or not he was born here or there, it simply looks bad that the President (unlike Bush or Kerry) has refused to ever release any of his past records. Law school, college, or any else - why so secretive. Most presidential wannabes see the ease of doing so, and it assuages one attack from their detractors.

By the way, I don’t always agree with you, but you seem like a cool dude. Your penchant for 80s cartoon and comic references is to be respected. Kringer agrees.
 
LemonAndLime said:
I think it’s a massive coincidence that the Republicans are the ones leading this… how concerned they are for upholding the law when it could gain them votes.
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It was HILLIARY CLINTON who started all this BC stuff.
 
Rohanfan said:
OMG!! That was editted so much that I could barely understand some of those words!
Also, please do not post anything from Birthers.org or WND.com, talk about as biased as anything can be.

The bolded and underlined part. I listened to that video with sound up and even I can tell that was edited and dubbed just the right way.

Please people get over this. He was born in Hawaii in August 1961. That is it.

Paul
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I didn’t have much time looking to find those videos. One of them had clear audio and I don’t think it was dubbed. I think he said clearly that he was not born in the USA.

Why does he keep the evidence locked away if he actually was born in Hawaii? The so-called evidence that has been provided has been shown to be inadequate. Why has he had all of his school records sealed if he has nothing to hide? What is so important that he has to keep it from the American people at all costs? For the top job in the country, I think we need an answer.

This was not answered before he was elected because the MSM decided to ridicule anyone who questioned him, labeled them ‘birthers’ or wild-eyed conspiracy theorists or racists when all people wanted was to know that he wasn’t a foreign national, that he actually met the 3 criteria to be eligible to be President according to the law. This is not wild-eyed, this is not conspiracy theorists going mad. Basic question - does he qualify?

How can we prove anything when all the records have been sealed? His passport files would contain the information we want, but he won’t let us know what is in them. His school records would say whether he was there as a foreign student or not, but we can’t see those either.

What does it matter where he was born? It matters because that is the law to hold that position. It is not up to us to prove the negative but up to him to prove to us that he is eligible. Locking away the records is not the way to earn people’s trust.

There would have been a more thorough background check if he applied for a job at Microsoft that what we have been given for the job as President of the United States. It isn’t just his birth certificate.

If you run for public office, you put yourself under the public microscope. There should be no expectation of privacy nor has there been for any other candidate. But for Obama, it is none of our business, it is off limits and how dare we question him. 🤷:confused:
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
McCain was born in Panama. Nobody has the hysterics thinking he was some outsider Manchurian infiltrator. I wonder why that was? Perhaps his skin color and party had something to do with it?

McCain and most normal Republicans have had the decency to drop this outrageously absurd speculation that Obama is a Muslim, Kenya-born spy out to destroy the U.S. Why do people continue to believe this nonsense? It belongs with the type of person who thinks Bush brought down the Twin Towers to start a war…:rolleyes:
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Maybe because when McCain was challenged on his birthrite citizenship, he promptly and without hesitation produced his full birth certificate. Most transparent President in the history of earth indeed. End the partisan political games that have tainted Washington. Ya right. :rolleyes:

I don’t know whether BO is a birthrite citizen or not. As far as I am concerned, that is a minor problem compared to the fact that his is a bold-faced liar.
 
Stjudeprayforus said:
It was HILLIARY CLINTON who started all this BC stuff.
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If I remember right, Hillary made the allusion that Obama wasn’t born at all, but rather floated down out of the sky, a gift from Heaven…

Maybe that’s why he can’t produce a BC. 🤷
 
If the certificate of live birth won’t convince other birthers, I highly doubt this will
 
I have no doubt that Barack Obama has a valid US birth certificate. However the fact that they will not let anyone see it leads me to believe there is either some sort of religious designation, or a dual citizenship issue that has not been completely resolved. Seriously, if they would just publish a certified copy of it, this would all go away. The fact that they won’t does strike me as strange. However, I think the continued focus on it is getting silly at this point.
 
William_Pitts said:
Please just be quite about this.

factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/04/copy-of-obama-birth-certificate-shown-on-tv----persuade-bachman/1?csp=obnetwork
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Fact Check’s article was actually challenged back in 2008…

Inconsistencies undermine FactCheck report on Obama “birth certificate”:

israelinsider.com/Articles1/Politics/13075.htm

See the bottom of the article for the complete 10 part report.
 
He has shown his birth certificate but conservatives keep claiming it’s a mock-up.

The Democrats could produce video footage of Obama being born…reel film from back in the day and the Tea Partiers would claim it’s phony and doctored.

We could all step into a time machine and soar back through time and stand there watching mom giving birth and hearing “we’ll call him…Barack!” and somehow the Tea Party would say it’s phony…

People will believe what they want to believe, period. That’s why conspiracy theories are just perfect to dupe people into a certain paranoia. It worked in Nazi Germany, worked with radical loons who believed that Bush blew up the Twin Towers to start a war, and it works in just about anything…sad that people still buy into this stuff…
 
Alix1912 said:
I have no doubt that Barack Obama has a valid US birth certificate. However the fact that they will not let anyone see it leads me to believe there is either some sort of religious designation, or a dual citizenship issue that has not been completely resolved. Seriously, if they would just publish a certified copy of it, this would all go away. The fact that they won’t does strike me as strange. However, I think the continued focus on it is getting silly at this point.
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I tend to lean toward an agenda much greater than proof of his birth. My personal opinion is that it is a direct challenge to the relevance of the constitution…

See the video by Alan Keyes:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=7787010&postcount=120

In the realm of globalism, no doubt the push for global citizenship and an eradication of borders necessitates a challenge to whether an American President has to be an American citizen. The withholding of said birth certificate (whether the president is a citizen or not) only sets precedence in the courts that such citizenship status need never be challenged in the future.

This forms a very different agenda then what most people interested in the topic are considering.
 
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