"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President."

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seekerz said:
So you agree that release of his birth certificate is totally unrelated to transparent governance? What do you suppose it’s related to then? The old McCain comparison fails as his birth certificate was accepted as genuine when presented and besides, McCain doesn’t set behavior standards for Obama. If the people who demanded McCain’s had no authority to do so, then he was free to refuse or to accede. Nothing to do with demanding documentation of citizenship from a president.
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You’re right, the Chosen One gets to operate by his own standards.
 
As an American I’d like to say this thread is painful to read. The divsion in this country is alarming, Can we move on to bigger issues than this ridiculous spectacle?
 
imbroglio said:
As an American I’d like to say this thread is painful to read. The divsion in this country is alarming, Can we move on to bigger issues than this ridiculous spectacle?
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The division in the country is real, it has been intentionally created, and is irreparable (in my opinion).
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
You’re right, the Chosen One gets to operate by his own standards.
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Wrong, the President gets to not bend to just anybody’s arbitrary standards.

If standards have to be set, the people do that through their votes, through their elected representatives, through the courts…not just because some other politicians/s or private citizens decide on a certain way to go.

That’s the difference!
 
Gotta be beating on a polo horse. A regular horse carcass would have been discentegraded long ago.🍿
 
seekerz said:
Wrong, the President gets to not bend to just anybody’s arbitrary standards.

If standards have to be set, the people do that through their votes, through their elected representatives, through the courts…not just because some other politicians/s or private citizens decide on a certain way to go.

That’s the difference!
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I guess the same applies to the constitution, congress and the courts.
 
imbroglio said:
As an American I’d like to say this thread is painful to read. The divsion in this country is alarming, Can we move on to bigger issues than this ridiculous spectacle?
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The division has been there for a long Tim. One group who hates to hear the words, government and wealth redistribution. And another group who welcomes such things.

Personally, for the sake of my state and others, I hope the division continues to expand. I have no desire for me or my children to live in the democrats idea of utopia.
 
Sonic said:
I work with graphic arts. I can honestly say that this document is more than likely real. I will also say that there has been some attempts to make the document more readable after scanning. I have done this in photoshop myself for documents I’ve scanned. For example, I might adjust levels to make the document more true to black and white in order to make the letters stand out. Certain portions of the document might not have scanned as dark, and I might isolate that section into another layer to adjust the levels and other image adjustments. I might also then remove the background in order to get a pure white… especially if the background had too many patchy gray areas. That would necessitate me placing the text into a separate layer.

What I would have done (that they did not do), was combine the layers before saving the image as a PDF file. That was probably the result of someone in a hurry who saved too quickly (or doesn’t know what they are doing).

No, I do not think this was the result of the OCR process. The big tip off is the patterned background that has been inserted to make the document look nice. You can see where the document was stored in a book and falls off on the left hand side. I’d have removed that if I could or left it in it’s entirety to include the signature portion. The person who did the clean up removed that part of the scan.

I would guess the original document was on plane white paper that had yellowed and faded enough that the scanner could not pick up the text without some fading. Why they felt the need to include that green patterned background is beyond me?
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OK, Sonic, I’m trying to follow you… 😃 I understand, more or less, what you are saying.

One thing that comes to mind, this copy of the BC has a signature on the bottom, from some doc (some Ph.D.), dated April 2011. So, I guess, that doc guarantees that the copy of the Long-form certificate issued to President Omama’s staff member is in fact a legitimate copy of the original BC which has been kept and will remain kept with the Kapiolani hospital. The original, with original signatures, must be a 50-year old piece of paper, possibly a plain white paper (no green watermark type background). Maybe the copy was made onto the green-patterned paper because it’s their standard procedure to issue birth certificates on that kind of paper - it cannot be easily forged by people who don’t have access to it

Maybe what Kapiolani did (this is just my speculation), they photocopied the original BC on this fancy green-and-white paper, and gave the photocopy to the staff member. Then, the staff member brought the photocopy to Washington DC, someone scanned the photocopy, touched it up with an image editing software in order to make it easier to read, and uploaded it on the Whitehouse web site.

I found this internet forum on which specialists debate the technical details of the pdf image of the Birth Certificate posted on the Whitehouse website:

abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread694949/pg61
 
seekerz said:
You’re welcome to your opinion, but I have never heard the “long form birth certificate” produced by McCain denounced as a forgery by Democrats or anyone else. Do you know the name of the hospital where McCain was born or the history of that hospital? Were there raging discussions online about those matters? I think not and yet here we are…
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You are incorrect. In fact, there were discussions about McCain and his eligibility right here on CAF. Those threads have been removed too.
 
For those who think that Obama has been singled out for these questions becuase he is balck I suggets the following:

cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/20/political.myths/index.html

The truth is Obama has recieved much gentler treatment than most Presidents mainly because of the charges of racism leveld every time he recieves the midest of criticisms.
 
estesbob said:
For those who think that Obama has been singled out for these questions becuase he is balck I suggets the following:

cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/20/political.myths/index.html

The truth is Obama has recieved much gentler treatment than most Presidents mainly because of the charges of racism leveld every time he recieves the midest of criticisms.
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Off topic. What does this supposed “gentler treatment” have to do with the reason he was the first president asked to show his birth certificate? Besides, the “R” word is out of bounds for this thread.
 
seekerz said:
Off topic. What does this supposed “gentler treatment” have to do with the reason he was the first president asked to show his birth certificate? Besides, the “R” word is out of bounds for this thread.
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You made the claim that the no other President would have been treated this way referenced it was becuase he was black. In fact others have been treated far worse.

So tell me which is worse-demands you show your birth certificate or demands you have your daughters DNA tested to prove she was yours???
 
estesbob said:
For those who think that Obama has been singled out for these questions becuase he is balck I suggets the following:

cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/20/political.myths/index.html

The truth is Obama has recieved much gentler treatment than most Presidents mainly because of the charges of racism leveld every time he recieves the midest of criticisms.
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Isn’t that the truth…
MSM is very protective of him…Always deflect to problems and not any policy…Like gas prices,speculators rather than green politics…Anwar and other areas plus refinery upgrades and crippling rules for blends keeps us from independence…
 
SwizzleStick said:
You are incorrect. In fact, there were discussions about McCain and his eligibility right here on CAF. Those threads have been removed too.
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Did I say McCain’s eligibility wasn’t discussed? I think I was very specific about what I never saw discussed.
 
estesbob said:
You made the claim that the no other President would have been treated this way referenced it was becuase he was black. In fact others have been treated far worse.
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I made the specific point that no other president has ever been asked to produce his birth certificate. This isn’t about general treatment: as far as I’m concerned politics isn’t for wimps and anyone throwing his hat in the ring should know that.
So tell me which is worse-demands you show your birth certificate or demands you have your daughters DNA tested to prove she was yours???
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Do you see a President McCain ever having given in to those demands and presenting the ‘proof’ to the press like in some baby-daddy drama? I don’t. Even candidate McCain didn’t give in to those demands as far as I’m aware, nor did anyone seriously expect him to. So the comparison is moot.
 
Well, as I predicted, the Forgery approach seems to be taking hold. I’m beginning to come around to the viewpoint that the President was wrong to release his BC. However, there are others, both perceived as liberal and conservative, although in IMHO those terms are meaningless within the bounds of modern political discourse, but I digress, that feel that it is working against Republican interests for victory in 2012. There are some who are antagonistic towards Republican success in 2012 that consider it a good strategy because it forces Republicans to choose between joining in with the “Obama is not eligible crowd” (I was informed that using the “B” word to describe this bunch is uncharitable) or to deny it. This would presumably divide the base. Let me be clear, it’s not my theory. Those more favorable to Republican success in 2012 are suggesting that it’s a conspiracy by Obama to divide the Republican base. The logic is not hard to see given a certain perspective. If Obama is sinister enough to perpetrate a massive fraud and conspiracy on the American people regarding his place of birth or citizenship status or eligibility for admission to an Ivy league school then surely he is capable of fomenting division within the opposition party. Like I said, this approach fits the mold.
 
seekerz said:
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Do you see a president McCain ever having given in to those demands and presenting the ‘proof’ to the press like in some baby-daddy drama? I don’t. Even candidate McCain didn’t give in to those demands as far as I’m aware, nor did anyone seriously expect him to. So the comparison is moot.
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Yes-he was pressed to prove he was not the father of an illegitimate Black Child. Of course there ws nothng he could provide as you can not prove a negative but the idea that Obama is somehow being mistreated becuase of a simple request he porvide long form birth certificate is specious. He could have ended all this specualtion two years ago, Evidently he didnt because it was politically advantageous to margnailize those making the claims. When Trump started doing it it became a political liablity so he released the form. All we are seeing is politics as it has been practiced for the last 200 years. if its too rough and tumble for Obama he should never have sought public office
 
estesbob said:
Yes-he was pressed to prove he was not the father of an illegitimate Black Child. Of course there ws nothng he could provide as yu can not prove a negative but the idea that Obama is somehow being mistreated becuase of a simple request he porvide long form birth certificate is specious. He could have ended all this specualtion two years ago, Evidently he didnt because it was politically advantageous to margnailize those making the claims. When Trump started doing it it became a political liablity so he released the form. All we are seeing is politics as it has been practiced for the last 200 years. if its too rough and tumble for Obama he should never have sought public office
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Nothing he could provide? Ever heard of a DNA test?

A simple request for a long form birth certificate…thanks for my first laugh of the day. Maybe you can answer one question: which other president was repeatedly labelled ‘arrogant’ for refusing to accede to every “simple request” made of him?

The presidency is a leadership position NOT a puppet set.
 
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